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2018 Off-season Plan - Trade Edition

Posted by butterspud , 14 November 2017 · 2,648 views

2018 Off-season Plan - Trade Edition Hey everyone,
I recently posted my off-season plan for free agency and now would like to explore trade options as well.
As stated in my last post, I see our needs being:
Starting Pitching
Relief Pitching
Designated Hitter
Bench Bats (Utility)

Here are my top trade wants/possibilities,

Starting Pitchers:
1. Daniel Norris for Kohl Stewart & Luis Arraez
- The Tigers seemingly committed to the rebuild when they traded away Verlander and Norris had a down year (5.31 ERA). It's a good time for the Twins to take advantage of both of these facts. It might take a bit more but I feel like Stewart (former 1st round pick) and Arraez (hitting the heck out of the ball) is enough. Arraez will be blocked by more complete talents coming up through the system and the Tigers seem to have a shortage at 2B behind Kinsler (Who they're trying to move). Norris is 24 and not a FA till 2022. This would be an amazing move.
2. Collin McHugh & Mike Fiers for J.T. Chargois & Jermaine Palacios
- Okay, I get it. The Astros won the world series. Why would they mess with something great right? Well being almost as much of an Astros fan as I am a Twins fan I know the Astros have a log jam in decent starting pitching. It makes all the sense in the world for them to open up a rotation spot to play around with Francis Martes, Brad Peacock, David Paulino, and eventually Forest Whitley. And who needs more pitching depth? The Twins! McHugh and Fiers are a couple years older than what that team's nucleous is (30 & 32 years old) so I feel like they would be willing to do this deal for lower top 30 prospects. Also, both aren't FA until 2020.
3. Michael Wacha for Stephen Gonsalves, Felix Jorge, & Lachlan Wells
- Here's the splash deal. At first the Cardinals are going to want Lewis or Gordon no doubt. But, I see those two becoming our future all star infield (Move Gordon to second) and don't want to part with them unless I get a true ace. Wacha is close but not a shut down starter. The Cardinals seem to be interested in Giancarlo Stanton and we can help them in that chase by sending some top pitching prospects (The Marlins need pitching more than we need air) for a proven durable starter. Giving up Gonsalves hurts after seeing him develop but he also seems to be a typical pitch to contact Twins starter. After watching him in AAA I see him becoming a Nick Blackburn at best.
4. Scott Kazmir for Phil Hughes & Tyler Watson
- Basically swapping contracts and atmospheres for two players who have declined rapidly to see if they can regain their magic. I added Watson in here because of Hughes's timetable on his injury and Kazmir seeming to be all healed up and ready to go.

Relief Pitching:
1. Kelvin Herrera for Felix Jorge, Kohl Stewart, & J.T. Chargois
- This seems like a steep price to pay for a reliever that's not in discussions with Miller and Chapman but Herrera is massively underrated. He would provide a shut down closer we haven't had since Perkins prime. He gets strikeouts on top of strikeouts which is encouraging for a fan who hates Minnesota Twins pitch to contact (ME!!)
2.Darren O'Day and Miguel Castro for J.T. Chargois & Ryan Eades
- I would like Britton but that will almost certainly cost Gordon so I went for Britton 2.0 in Miguel Castro. Although he's 22 and has tons of team control on a possibly rebuilding club I think they will find it valuable to move him if they can get O'Day's contract and age off their books. And O'Day is not to bad of a reliever himself.
3. Raisel Iglesias for Stephen Gonsalves
- I put this one in here because of the recent rumors. Falvine, Do not, I repeat, DO NOT! trade Nick Gordon for a closer who can opt out as soon as he can. Don't get me wrong Iglesias has beautiful stuff but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving up Gonsalves (Blackburn) for him and I think it's logically something the Reds would consider as they are rebuilding.

Designated Hitter:
1. Maikel Franco for Alex Kiriloff & Travis Blankenhorn
- This is the only deal that makes sense to me for a designated hitter. This deal might actually move Sano into the DH spot instead of Franco but this would be a huge plus for us. Our best players are around his age so he will develop at the same time and I think the guy just needs a change of scenery, Philadelphia cast him into the superstar light to early and the pressure crushed him. He would do well playing alongside Buxton and Sano. Kiriloff's potential and Blackenhorn should be enough to turn the Phillies ear to us.

Bench Bat (Utility):
1. Ian Kinsler for Tyler Watson & Charlie Barnes
- Hear me out. He costs a lot, yes. He's getting old, yes. But Ian Kinsler would be an amazing utility infielder. His age seems to be catching up with him making him a borderline starter at best but his clutch bat and glove coming off the bench would be huge for the Twins. He's a one year declining rental on a rebuilding squad making the price cheaper than cheap and the future commitments to his contract nothing. Giving up two relief prospects (Watson is in the top 20) for him should not affect us at all with the young depth we have in the minors. It would be a very interesting move.

As always if you have comments, critiques please reply below.
Thanks

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Interesting ideas. With names and everything.

I like #1 and #2 of the starting pitching trades, though I would be surprised if either came to pass. McHugh did a nice job for the Astros and no one like MLB starting pitching depth than GMs.

Norris could be really useful, though they would probably only trade him if their pitching coach decided Norris was never going to get his WHIP down.

Fun stuff.

I wonder if Falvine would try to turn Inglesias back into a starter?

Trade with the St. Louis Cardinals
Twins Ervin Santana RHP
Ryan Pressly RHP


SLC Luke Weaver RHP
Austin Gomber LHP
Connor Jones RHP
Andrew Knizner C

Trade with the San Francisco Giants
Twins Miguel Sano 3B
Zach Granite CF
Kohl Stewart RHP
Jake Reed RHP

Giants Madison Baumgarner LHP
Hunter Pence RF
Christian Arroyo SS/3B
Albert Suarez RHP
Jordan Johnson RHP

Always fun to read trade threads. :) I'd love any of those pitching trades! Franco I'm not so sure about, I would probably stick with Vargas and see what he can do with more playing time.

Side note on Iglesias - his opt out means that he can opt out of his contract to go into the arbitration process instead (not to become a free agent). He's under team control through the 2020 season, just that he can choose to go into salary arbitration if he feels like that would earn him more than he is guaranteed under his contract.
 

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BuxtonBandwagon
Nov 16 2017 05:15 PM

I love a good post about trades. And I like the trades for pitching. Most of those I would probably do if the other teams would take. 

 

I would look into trading for a package of Gerrit Cole and Felipe Rivero. 2 years of Cole and 4 years of Rivero

Or a package of Marcus Stroman and Roberto Osuna. 3 years of control of each

 

In return I hope a package of Mejia, Gordon, Romero, Duffey, Stewart/Jorge, Wade/Badoo, Palacios/Miranda, and Jake Reed. Obviously you could do a lot of shuffling with the guys after Mejia Gordon and Romero. Depending on what the teams like you could change just about anything after those guys and add any prospects in our system outside of the top 6-7.

 

I know it'd be a big package but I'd really look into giving up what it takes to get them. I'm not sure if either team is looking to sell yet but we maybe could get Toronto to if they got rid of them then they'd probably trade Donaldson. Pittsburgh may be looking to retool or rebuild so we might need more high upside low level players for a rebuild or might have to throw in a major league player for a retool. That would be tough for me as I really would prefer to not give up any major league position players.

 

I love a good post about trades. And I like the trades for pitching. Most of those I would probably do if the other teams would take. 

 

I would look into trading for a package of Gerrit Cole and Felipe Rivero. 2 years of Cole and 4 years of Rivero

Or a package of Marcus Stroman and Roberto Osuna. 3 years of control of each

 

In return I hope a package of Mejia, Gordon, Romero, Duffey, Stewart/Jorge, Wade/Badoo, Palacios/Miranda, and Jake Reed. Obviously you could do a lot of shuffling with the guys after Mejia Gordon and Romero. Depending on what the teams like you could change just about anything after those guys and add any prospects in our system outside of the top 6-7.

 

I know it'd be a big package but I'd really look into giving up what it takes to get them. I'm not sure if either team is looking to sell yet but we maybe could get Toronto to if they got rid of them then they'd probably trade Donaldson. Pittsburgh may be looking to retool or rebuild so we might need more high upside low level players for a rebuild or might have to throw in a major league player for a retool. That would be tough for me as I really would prefer to not give up any major league position players.

I like the package with Stroman and Osuna. I have my personal dislike of Cole and the kind of pitcher he is so I would never trade for him at that price but Stroman and Osuna I can understand. They are two of my favorite pitchers to watch for sure. I just have a really hard time getting rid of Gordon because of how he's hit. The kid could be a starter at 2B/SS for us for years and years and that's invaluable especially with the uncertainty with Dozier. That's why I would look for pitching that doesn't require Gordon or Lewis getting shipped out. 

 

Always fun to read trade threads. :) I'd love any of those pitching trades! Franco I'm not so sure about, I would probably stick with Vargas and see what he can do with more playing time.

Side note on Iglesias - his opt out means that he can opt out of his contract to go into the arbitration process instead (not to become a free agent). He's under team control through the 2020 season, just that he can choose to go into salary arbitration if he feels like that would earn him more than he is guaranteed under his contract.
 

Thank you for that side note. My personal opinion is a competitive team should not have Vargas on it. Awesome guy but hasn't performed since his first half year in the MLB. That's just my opinion though I can see the side that argues he has as much potential as anyone and he's already on our team.

 

Trade with the St. Louis Cardinals
Twins Ervin Santana RHP
Ryan Pressly RHP


SLC Luke Weaver RHP
Austin Gomber LHP
Connor Jones RHP
Andrew Knizner C

Trade with the San Francisco Giants
Twins Miguel Sano 3B
Zach Granite CF
Kohl Stewart RHP
Jake Reed RHP

Giants Madison Baumgarner LHP
Hunter Pence RF
Christian Arroyo SS/3B
Albert Suarez RHP
Jordan Johnson RHP

To be honest I've never been HUGE on Sano because of the K's but I don't think trading him for Bumgarner who is on the decline is the best idea. I think we should trade for pitchers who are still getting into their prime to match up with our core players timeline as well.

 

Interesting ideas. With names and everything.

I like #1 and #2 of the starting pitching trades, though I would be surprised if either came to pass. McHugh did a nice job for the Astros and no one like MLB starting pitching depth than GMs.

Norris could be really useful, though they would probably only trade him if their pitching coach decided Norris was never going to get his WHIP down.

Fun stuff.

I wonder if Falvine would try to turn Inglesias back into a starter?

McHugh and Norris as our 3 and 4 would be a great rotation in my opinion.

 

1. Santana/Berrios

2. Berrios/ Santana

3. Norris

4. McHugh

5. Mejia/Gibson/May

butterspud,
And that is why you dump Santana and take back young upside pitching. I doubt Madbum will re-up in SF after being victimized by a feeble offense and a pitiful bullpen the last few years. Plus there is probably some ill will towards him in the organization after his 2017 accident. We get our ace, and since he has never pitched extensively against AL teams, his career will probably be extended. Plus if he is an outdoorsman, what's not to like about MN? We only pry him loose because we are taking Pense who can DH and platoon with Kepler in RF for 1 year. By clearing both MadBum and Pense, SF can afford to take on Stanton's contract and stay under the tax threshold, which they have said is a priority