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  1. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Oh, and about all things Rosario.

    Eddie as a second baseman is a hugely important thing to consider. As an outfielder he is impressive but nothing special given the Twins depth there. At second he changes everything.

    Randy probably should have made it. It just gets crazy deciding on these guys at certain point. Again this is a good thing. Last year I STRUGGLED to make a list past 30-40. This year it was very easy and guys were left out. I don't think the Twins are getting enough credit for their draft picks over the past two years.
  2. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Good comments/questions. I certainly did forget Pressly, but MLB.com is just atrocious. They have him above Kepler. Pressly belongs in that 35-60 mess somewhere.

    I am not going to demote Michael significantly after just one season. I tend to like guys with high isolated discipline because that can translate well moving forward. And I don't care that much that he is likely a second baseman and not a shortstop. Why care about that in *this* organization that has big struggles developing at both MI positions.

    With regard to Slama, it just seems ridiculous to put him anywhere. His case completely mystifies me, so I didn't put him at 20-25 like I was going to do.

    I did go high on Hicks and Arcia for that reason of being much closer than Buxton. Gibson is coming back from an injury though, so that is the main reason I have trepidation about putting him higher. May might be low, but I couldn't justify figuring out who to drop. Kepler? The upside there is ridiculously high. Berrios was totally dominant this year. But the most important thing to take away from this list is that no. 10 last year was Dozier or so. The Twins top 20 is vastly improved over last year's top 20, and not just because of additions in Meyer and May. Jorge Polanco could be put in the top 20 as well, but I was just cautious about that. Cedar Rapids is going to be the most interesting team to watch in the system this year. By far. I mean it is ridiculous: Buxton, Kepler, Walker, Polanco, Goodrum, Berrios, Bard, et al.
  3. clutterheart's Avatar
    You don't have my all time Favorite super sleeper in this list: Randy Rosario
    Stats, Bio, Photos, Highlights | MiLB.com Stats | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball
    18 Years Old
    Lefty
    Extreme Ground Ball pitcher - Has not given up a HR in 23 professional games
    42 SO in 38 IP.

    I would put him somewhere in the top 50
  4. clutterheart's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota
    Good work , my only question is levi...and no Slama
    Levi is not a good player right now. He can't play SS, He can't seem to hit and he has played himself out of the prospect list. I have no problem with that at all.

    He will repeat at the FSL this year, maybe he can figure it out.
  5. clutterheart's Avatar
    Nice List
    Interesting that you have Hicks / Arcia above Buxton but Gibson below Berrios & Meyer.

    I assume you have Hicks / Arcia high because they are closer, but Gibson falls to the upside of Berrios and Meyer. - I'm not calling you out, I see this a lot and I just think its interesting.
    I would put it:
    Sano
    Buxton
    Meyer
    Hicks
    Arcia
    Gibson
    Berrios
    Rosario
    May
    Kepler

    But...the best thing is The Twins System is PACKED with high upside players with more to come in June...awesome
  6. darin617's Avatar
    Ryan Pressly, Rule 5 pick from Boston not on the list? Either you forgot him or mlb.com is crazy rating him the 17th best prospect in the Twins organization.
    44. Lester Oliveros Isn't he out for the season with Tommy John surgery? I would have liked to see Pat Dean and Dakota Watts a little higher also.
  7. johnnydakota's Avatar
    Good work , my only question is levi...and no Slama
  8. Thrylos's Avatar
    Good stuff
    Good to see Burris where you have him.
    I think that you are probably undervaluing Gibson and May. Based on what I've heard Gibson c. 2012 >> Gibson c. 2010, which will make my ST trip fun this season. I have seen May pitch at Reading in a few occasions and he is the real deal. Getting excited about what the Twins rotation can look like in a couple seasons
  9. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    In part this gives others a list of players to make a smaller list from! I keep relievers down a little lower than many others might.
  10. Twins Twerp's Avatar
    I think the top 10 for the Twins is going to be debateable on the order, but not on who makes it. After number 10, it becames a literally crapshoot. Tools vs. production. I like Nate Roberts and think he is a top-15 guy after a strong showing in the Arizona Fall League. I also would probably have some of those bullpen arms a little higher because they are almost sure fire major leaguers (Chargios and Corey Williams, etc.), but it all depends on how you rank. To pick 60 guys is kind of a tall order, especially in such a top heavy system like the Twins.
  11. old nurse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB
    It's not like this is a new problem for the Twins. The Twins have NEVER been able to scout shortstops in their over 50 year history. They have had only 2, count 'em 2, shortstops who have started in multiple seasons that they have drafted - Danny Thompson and Pat Meares. Other than Zoilo Versalles (who was acquired before the draft existed), every other starter of consequence was received in a trade. Leo Cardenas from the Reds, Roy Smalley from the Rangers, Greg Gagne and Christian Guzman from the Yankees, Jason Bartlett from the Padres, Nick Punto from the Phillies, JJ Hardy from the Brewers. Other than those guys the Twins have always had garbage placeholders - guys like Sergio Ferrer, Jackie Hernandez, Luis Gomez, Juan Castro, and Brendon Harris. They have drafted shortstops who have succeeded at other positions (i.e. Chuck Knoblauch and Michael Cuddyer, possibly Trevor Plouffe). As it stands now, Brian Dozier ranks third in number of games on the Twins list of drafted players to have played SS. It's an embarrassing record.
    The number of players the Twins picked up from other organizations were not scouted by the Twins when they traded for them? That they traded for someone else's minor leaguer is no sin. BTW I think Knoublauch had to play second because there was a better SS named Gagne ahead of him.
  12. ScottyB's Avatar
    It's not like this is a new problem for the Twins. The Twins have NEVER been able to scout shortstops in their over 50 year history. They have had only 2, count 'em 2, shortstops who have started in multiple seasons that they have drafted - Danny Thompson and Pat Meares. Other than Zoilo Versalles (who was acquired before the draft existed), every other starter of consequence was received in a trade. Leo Cardenas from the Reds, Roy Smalley from the Rangers, Greg Gagne and Christian Guzman from the Yankees, Jason Bartlett from the Padres, Nick Punto from the Phillies, JJ Hardy from the Brewers. Other than those guys the Twins have always had garbage placeholders - guys like Sergio Ferrer, Jackie Hernandez, Luis Gomez, Juan Castro, and Brendon Harris. They have drafted shortstops who have succeeded at other positions (i.e. Chuck Knoblauch and Michael Cuddyer, possibly Trevor Plouffe). As it stands now, Brian Dozier ranks third in number of games on the Twins list of drafted players to have played SS. It's an embarrassing record.
    Updated 11-27-2012 at 10:19 AM by ScottyB
  13. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    If only Max Kepler were a shortstop. Actually, the big hope down the line that far has got to be Niko Goodrum.

    In the immediate future, filling in the rest of the lineup with productive hitters is going to be needed. I would not have thought that James Beresford would be the starting shortstop for the Twins, even though I always liked him. But I would not be surprised if it happened in 2014.
  14. Rosterman's Avatar
    Benson and Kepler in the line-up somewhere. Levi Michael? The return of Trevor Plouffe?
  15. beckmt's Avatar
    Need to see Santana in more of a hitters league. There is hope down there and maybe the need for a stopgap in the majors for the next two years. Focus on pitching.
  16. NoCryingInBaseball's Avatar
    Whoa, I have been so focused on staring pitching, or the need of help with the starting rotation, that I haven’t considered the “hole” with the position players. The Twins have several position prospects that will either be starting in 2014 or 15. The outfield has Ben Revere, Aaron Hicks and Oswaldo Arcia, not to mention Byron Buxton will not be far behind and he seems to have a much higher upside. In the infield, with Eddie Rosario at 2nd, Miguel Sano at 3rd and Chris Parmelee at 1st, it looked like the infield was developing into a decent group…but then the reality post you gave us this morning.

    The starting rotation still stands out as the greatest need for the organization. Scott Diamond and Kyle Gibson might establish themselves as part of the Twins future team, but other minor leaguers (Liam Hendriks, Alex Wimmers, B.J. Hermsen and Hudson Boyd) can only be listed as questionable starting potential and the reason the organization needs more long-term answers for the rotation. Now I have to start worrying about a short-stop for the Twins to be a solid contending team in a couple years.
  17. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    With regard to Parmelee, even if everyone is healthy, there can still be a rotation with Doumit, Mauer, Morneau, Willingham, Span, and Revere. They have 7 guys for 6 spots this way. Maybe Parmelee doesn't start in the first week, but would thereafter. I realize that this rotation is not very lefty/righty friendly though.

    Herrmann had better be done with AA. If they send him back there again, they are nuts. Anyway, it isn't clear to me that he has to have that kind of playing time if his major league playing time is going to be limited no matter what given the existence of Joe Mauer, Ryan Doumit, and Josh Willingham. Herrmann is not going to be a starter in the league for awhile. This is a different scenario than Revere and Parmelee when we all talked about how they have to be up and playing every day or down and playing every day.

    And there is no real other option as a third catcher. Giving 150-200 at bats to Butera is a total waste. He is just a terrible offensive player and his defensive ability is often overblown. He is good at working with pitchers, though, so hence the whole AAA career I have planned for him . . .
    Now if the alternative would be to not carry a third catcher and have someone like Escobar up with the team, that would be ok.
  18. John Bonnes's Avatar
    I'm hesitant to find stick two guys who are still developing into major leaguers on the bench. I'm not a fan of Parmelee being sent back to AAA, but if he's going to be the odd man out, then Gardy has to really work to get him into the lineup at the beginning of the season when he has a lot of healthy veterans. I don't see that happening.

    And Herrmann needs to play in AAA or AA everyday. Butera is a perfectly acceptable option to have 150-200 AB, though I'd be just as happy without a 3rd catcher.
  19. SpantheMan's Avatar
    Rosterman,
    I think the idea of having 3 catchers that all play multiple positions is a great one. Mauer and Doumit can both DH and play first base, and Hermann also plays the roll of a 5th outfielder.
    It leads good, versatile bench and keeps gardy happy with 3 catchers.
  20. AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl
    They should sign Butera to a five-year deal to be the catcher at Rochester and mentor of upcoming pitching prospects! Here Drew, here's a $2 million/5 year deal. We won't pretend you are MLB-caliber anymore . . .
    Exactly im sure Butera can be a decent mentor. But his time as a MLB player is over. IMO we should just let him fade away into oblivion.
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