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  1. ashburyjohn's Avatar
    Somebody shut this guy up.


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  2. Dman's Avatar
    That's some good stuff there.
  3. Jim H's Avatar
    I am interested in the group of pitching prospects who are relatively close to the majors but kind of flying under the radar. Like Melotakis on your list, maybe Darnell, and some of the other recent college pitchers who could move pretty quickly if they figure things out. Also guys like Wimmers and Salcedo who have been around awhile, who injuries have set back, but who were highly considered at one point. I would like to see a guy or two out of this group really challenge for a starting major league job within the next year. Combined with the higher profile guys like Meyer, Gibson and May, this could have the Twins looking pretty good over the next few years.
  4. jimv2's Avatar
    Really excellent blog post.
    W/r/t Eades: I think he gets less attention because he probably doesn't have the same ceiling guys like Kohl and Gonsalves have. But as you noted, he's already proven that he has a decently high floor. The problem is that we already have a bunch of 3-5 starter prospects which I suspect is his ceiling. We all know you can never have too much pitching, so it's great having him, but the same level of intrigue isn't there for some us.

    And w/r/t Turner: Gardy and Ryan have made it abundantly clear over the years that the attributes they want most in a catcher are the abilities to call a good game, to keep a pitcher on an even keel, and to control the other team's running game. Quoting one of them--I can't remember which--"any hitting you get [from your catcher] is a bonus." I take that with a grain of salt but if Turner really is a Johnny Bench level catcher defensively, I don't think he'll have to hit all that much to be the starter.
  5. lightfoot789's Avatar
    *Tyler Jones and his 95+ fastball. Can he consisitently close games at the higher levels. I say yes, but can't wait to see it personally.

    *Travis Harrison was much better at 3B last year defensively than people give him credit for. He also show major power potential. He might hit 30 if he stays in Midwest league again this year.

    *Tim Shibuya - Just knows how to pitch

    *Matt Thomshaw - A lefty with 4 to 5 quality pitches to keep hitters off balance. He is an underrated pitching prospect to me. Great long / middle releiver IMO

    *Madison Boer is also another pitcher who came on strong last year. Upside is there

    *Dalton Hicks - Better defender than advertised and just drives in runs (Hrbek )

    *Hudson Boyd - former 1st rounder needs a bounce back year. Revamp approach

    *Adam Brett Walker - Sano went from hitting .250 in midwest league to .350 in high A. Can Doug Mientkiewicz and staff help Walker to a similar turn around. Power should play out the same if he continues to refine swing.
  6. TD Mac's Avatar
    Solid list. To that I would add Aaron Slegers and Niko Goodrum, as well as all the Rookie League pitchers who have flashed so much potential as they move up to full season ball.

    Saw Slegers pitch a couple times for Indiana last year and has a really intriguing backstory which leads me to believe he could be a late bloomer. Very tall, but more or a control guy right now, though lots of angle on his pitches.

    Goodrum, though still very young, has been talked about for a couple years as a "breakout" type player with all the physical tools, but needs to actually start breaking out if he's to live up to that potential.

    Finally, Thorpe, Gonsalves and Stewart deservedly have gotten headlines, but Jorge, Rosario, Stirewalt, Romero and Ho are also very intriguing young arms that have to fire you up with their potential! Combine them with Eaves, Berrios & Slegers, and there are a ton of good looking prospects to be excited about.

    Can't wait to get down to Ft. Myers next week to check out the minor league side!
  7. howieramone's Avatar
    Good job!
    Updated 03-03-2014 at 12:06 PM by howieramone
  8. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    I appreciate the rating of offense (9) and defensive (2) being the same as offensive (2) and defense (9). Your pitching staff, however, does not.

    This can be a really big deal to a group of players most of whom have a screw loose already. (this coming from a former catcher)
  9. YourHouseIsMyHouse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ericchri
    My argument is more along the lines of why did Sano have to move away from short before getting a chance to play short? What if he was actually an adequate defensive shortstop?
    The thing is, players get a position they are projected for based on their visible skills (coordination, size, quickness, etc.) by scouts. I trust their judgement on this and generally they're correct about this. Sano likely didn't have the ability or ideal size from what they saw. Sano can't play shortstop for the same reasons Mauer can't. They're too big and not fast enough.
  10. grover738's Avatar
    Interesting, but Sano was moved to 3B from SS for a reason, lack of range. He has good speed, even very good for his size, but his agility/range/quickness just isn't what you'd like to see in a SS, thus the move to 3B. Keep in mind SS is a more difficult and valuable defensive position than 3B, and there is more talk about moving Sano to RF/1B than SS, which tells you how likely it would be for him to move to SS.

    Another thing to think about is that Plouffe isn't exactly tearing it up at 3B either, with average offense and below average defense. Taking Sano out of the equation, I'm not certain that we really have better 3B prospects than SS prospects, nor am I convinced that Plouffe that much better than Florimon.
  11. ericchri's Avatar
    My argument is more along the lines of why did Sano have to move away from short before getting a chance to play short? What if he was actually an adequate defensive shortstop?

    This isn't a real rating system, obviously, but if we take your example of Florimon (2 offense, 9 defense) and Sano (9 offense, 2 defense) and call it a wash numberwise, having Sano at SS might still be a preferable option as it means Harrison plays third instead of Florimon playing short. All hypothetical, of course, but if you assume similar offense and defense from Sano at either short or 3rd and Harrison can put up a 7 offense, 5 defense at 3rd, he inherently becomes "more valuable" than Florimon, 12-11 (unless we do the whole WAR positional adjustment thing, which seems silly for a fictional system). But he doesn't even play if Sano is at 3rd. Nowhere did I ever intend to suggest Harrison could play SS, this was all predicated on considering Sano as a possibility to play short.

    I also think it more likely that on this potential rating system that you get a 2 offense, 9 defense for the Florimon equivalent, but probably more like a 9 offense, 4 defense from Sano at SS. Not great defense theoretically, depending on what that scale actually means, but he's "better" statistically, rating 13 to Florimon's 11. It's kind of a "you can live with his defense as it makes the team much better for him to play shortstop" thing. Sort of like Jeter.
  12. Brad Swanson's Avatar
    It just depends on how much you value defense.

    Say for example that we used a 1-10 scale and rated Florimon's defense as a 9 and his offense as a 2. Then, we could similarly rate Sano's SS defense as a 2 and his offense as a 9. Isn't this a wash if defense is as important as offense? If you are arguing that offense is more important than defense, then I can see your point.

    I've seen Harrison play third and I can't see even a shred of a possibility that he could handle short.
  13. howieramone's Avatar
    Our first pick in next year's draft should be a SS if at all possible.
  14. ashburyjohn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Twerp
    I catch a hint of sarcasm...but I like it. Your method is less scientific than sabremetrics but probably just as effective. Plus you probably get laid more. Great blog!
    I wanted to switch away from sabrmetrics but my wife won't let me.
  15. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    ericchri - Your plus/minus system is amazing. The brilliance behind it is absolutely elusive!
    The science is mythical!
    The best example of the 'hunch-theory' logic I've ever seen.
    I look forward to your next post.
    (105 wins.... can't wait...)
  16. Twins Twerp's Avatar
    I catch a hint of sarcasm...but I like it. Your method is less scientific than sabremetrics but probably just as effective. Plus you probably get laid more. Great blog!
  17. ericchri's Avatar
    You're totally correct! I feel so stupid. Since each player's contribution to a game is 1/25, and there are 162 games, each player plus therefore accounts for 6.48 wins, not just 6. I can't believe I rounded down.

    So in actuality the Twins are +6 over last year's squad due to coming to their senses and playing Jamey Carroll all season. 6.48 x 6 is essentially 39 wins. So the 2013 Twins are 39 wins better than last years team and are actually winning 105 games. Thanks for pointing that out.
  18. ashburyjohn's Avatar
    I can't put my finger on it, but there is something wrong in the analysis leading to 102 wins.
  19. John Bonnes's Avatar
    Recently it occurred to me, the site owners in their infinite "wisdom" allowed people like me to spew out random ideas for some reason and let us call it a blog. Well, that is pretty much what blogs are for I guess. So here it is, my completely arbitrary thoughts unposted to a forum thread and instead turned into....
    You've got it exactly right. This is almost precisely what happened to me eleven years ago. Welcome to the Twins blogosphere. We're glad to have another member. I'm looking forward to seeing how your writing style changes.
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