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  1. wagwan's Avatar
    Rosario has an OBP of .333 which is less than his average .348. He is 8 for 23 .348 avg, he must be 8 for 24 .333 with a sacrifice somewhere. Weird situation and shows how SMALL these sample sizes are ...and how we need to wait to evaluate....
  2. twinsfan34's Avatar
    Question:

    Which would have given most of the Twins fans on here the bigger jolt. The signing of Abreu or Mike Napoli?
  3. twinsfan34's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Wise One
    In Abreu's defense
    Small sample size
    Upside?
    Yippee, I won the lottery.
    It took a year for the teams to learn Cespedes's tendencies and how to attack the weak points. Abreu should be able to kill mistake pitches and thus continue to make a living.
    Yeah. I think you're right. Who ultimately knows how 'good' (or bad) he ends up being. In Cuba he played in the equivalent of Low-A ball competition. But he did kill it there.

    Great point on Cespedes. He did pretty well his first year. But hit, what .240 in his 2nd year?

    I could see Abreu hitting 28-35 HRs and hitting around .240-.275 with 150-180 Ks.

    Which, I think Miguel Sano could do exactly that next year as well assuming he was the Twins' opening day starting 3B.
  4. The Wise One's Avatar
    In Abreu's defense
    Small sample size
    Upside?
    Yippee, I won the lottery.
    It took a year for the teams to learn Cespedes's tendencies and how to attack the weak points. Abreu should be able to kill mistake pitches and thus continue to make a living.
  5. nicksaviking's Avatar
    I wasn't sure about how he would adapt to US culture and the nature of American interviews, but I guess Crash Davis taught him well:
    "I was seeing the ball well," Kepler said. "I'm getting my knocks and doing what I can."

    The must have left out:

    "I just wanta give it my best shot and, Good Lord willing, things'll work out."

    I wonder if a good AFL might make some of the scouting wonks re-consider him for top 100 lists.
  6. Shane Wahl's Avatar
    Kepler will be hopefully finishing up AA in 2015. So there is time to figure out Mauer and first base.
  7. best game in the world's Avatar
    Kepler at 1st. I like it. See you in 2015!! Now if we only had a place to play that #7 guy.
  8. twinsfan34's Avatar
    Note. Kepler, in all 4 games, has played 1B.
  9. ND-Fan's Avatar
    The Twins have shown this past three seasons that farm system is bare of pitching ready for the Majors. If they were ready we would have seen them up during the year. Trading I don't feel is option right now why would you trade away prospects that are needed to fill whole in this offense and defense at major league level. I think Free Agency is best bet in that can bring some major league arms that are ready and can make a impact. It would allow some young talent to develop and with Free Agents make credible big league staff. The only player left to bring quality prospects and number of them is Joe Mauer if he can demonstrate he's healthy. I think it should be looked at because by time Twins are ready to compete Joe will be way past his prime and will be declining. His value is now and Twins are probably years away from making big run in playoffs. Unless Twins spend some serious money building up the depth and lineup with Free Agency. My guess is that Twins will continue to loose as they rebuild through farm system.
  10. Willihammer's Avatar
    I think you are splitting hairs a little to say Tanaka's k-rate has declined.
    Year K% BB% HR/BIP
    2007 24.5% 8.5% 3.2%
    2008 21.9% 7.4% 1.8%
    2009 22.2% 5.6% 2.4%
    2010 18.5% 5.0% 1.9%
    2011 27.8% 3.1% 1.3%
    2012 24.3% 2.7% 0.8%
    2013 22.1% 3.9% 1.2%
    7 Seasons 23.3% 5.2% 1.8%

    By comparison, Darvish:

    Year K% BB% HR/BIP
    2005 12.7% 11.7% 2.3%
    2006 18.3% 10.2% 2.7%
    2007 26.6% 6.2% 1.7%
    2008 27.2% 5.8% 2.2%
    2009 23.8% 6.4% 1.9%
    2010 27.6% 5.8% 0.9%
    2011 31.2% 4.1% 0.9%
    7 sesaons 25.1% 6.7% 1.7%


    Then again, here are Colby Lewis's 2 seasons in Japan

    Year K% BB% HR/BIP
    2008 26.1% 3.8% 2.5%
    2009 26.0% 2.7% 2.6%
    2 seasons 26.0% 3.2% 2.6%
  11. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
    I see these two as the Japanese version of Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux.

    One thing that stands out to me is that Darvish appears to be improving in most areas, save for the hiccup in his age 22 season (injury and missed about 5 starts). Tanaka has seen a pretty substantial decline in SO/9 and seems to have peaked in his age 22 season and is less of a Darvish/Really HIGH SO guy and more of the Johnson-type. Tanaka still can strike out plenty of guys, but he will do it differently, a la Maddux. His walk rate is incredible as are most of his secondary #'s. If I am going to invest ~$100M in a guy I want to see gas, with results.

    If I were the Twins FO, the declining K rate would concern me. Then I would laugh at myself for being a complete toolbox and go blow all of Pohlad's $$$, cuz our current rotation is a clown show.
  12. Siehbiscuit's Avatar
    Not to derail the thread, but idenitfying ptiching prospects early comes down to scouting. Scouting is an area that the Twins value and feel is a strength (I'm not objecting). The problem is that until recently the Twins have not pursued this avenue for acquiring young pitching prospects. The A's do this better than ANYBODY. Trade off a good looking veteran at their peak value for high upside, low minors pitching. Terry Ryan has gotten off to a good start with the Meyer and May trades, but he needs to continue doing this ever off-season.
  13. Willihammer's Avatar
    What's maybe most impressive is that Tanaka maintained a miniscule HR rate this season in spite of the livelier balls.
  14. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    The teams all have more money and this FA class is not that strong.

    I say Tanaka gets a Darvish salary, with Darvish money for the post as well.
  15. twinsfan34's Avatar
    The Wise One,

    I'm sorry about not disclosing the classification distinction I had made . I thought I had a disclaimer in there that I counted guys who despite being involved in a trade, if they were in the minors, AA or below I considered them to be "from the Farm"...as they would have to do half of their development in that system (arguably the most important) half at that, in actually getting that prospect to the Big Leagues.
    Updated 10-08-2013 at 01:40 PM by twinsfan34
  16. twinsfan34's Avatar
    Ah good Call!! No, let's get it right. So one less FA, but rather in a Trade. [Strengthens the case of staying away from FA as a way to acquire pitching ]

    Burnett was traded from the Yankees.


    Archer was indeed traded, however, he was still a minor leaguer. So I put him in the development stage as he came to the big league club on a minor league contract and had to advance up two levels (AA & AAA, 2 years total) before he made it to the major leagues. So I don't count that as a 'trade' as it was not a 'sure thing' and development was the major factor.




    Cobb was drafted by the Rays...
    Drafted by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays in the 4th round of the 2006 amateur draft. (All Transactions)


    Updated 10-08-2013 at 12:57 PM by twinsfan34
  17. The Wise One's Avatar
    Not to be nit picky but Burnett, Parker, Cobb and Achter, this just off the top of my head, were traded to their teams
  18. Winston Smith's Avatar
    He certainly has had a lot more face time with the media the last few months. If he is being given a greater role in the org. who knows, none of us anyway.
    Some of the things he said don't really match up well with what Ryan has said. I don't know if that means anything but usually they are all on the same talking points.
  19. Oldgoat_MN's Avatar
    I'm not inside the head of any of these kids coming up, but I have to believe that some of that arrogance could turn to attentiveness when you are being told what to do by a Hall of Fame player.

    I believe we'll know Gardy's fate before the World Series is over. (my guess)
  20. twinsfan34's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hosken Bombo Disco
    Thanks for sharing -- do you feel this is a meta-signal sent out by the Twins that there will be a very significant and positive change made about who directs the talent going forward? Or is it just Molitor arranging his own interviews?
    Honestly, I'm not in a position to really comment on that with any weight. From what I've read and seen in interviews with Terry Ryan and Molitor is Ryan didn't feel Molitor would make a good 'bench coach' next to Gardy. Most interpreted that as they are both strong decision makers. e.g. can't have two captains on one ship.

    Molitor has great freedom currently as the "roving minor league instructor" and also has a great perspective on the talent in the minor leagues [all levels]. He also has no doubt begun to form some relationships with the players in working with many of them 1-on-1.

    So, given that, it might be OK to suspect Terry Ryan is listening to Molitor, as he's definitely in a position to speak to those types of changes.
    Updated 09-27-2013 at 12:50 PM by twinsfan34
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