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Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 06:05 PM
For more than 2 decades I have listened to Minnesota Twins fans complain that the Pohlads never give out big contracts. This is mostly bu...
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Front Page: Twins Making Sweeping Changes on the Diamond?

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 06:02 PM
When the Minnesota Twins decided to non-tender C.J. Cron it immediately created another position of need for the 2020 club. Joining the n...
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Front Page: Wheeler’s Gone, But Bumgarner Would Give the...

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 06:01 PM
With Zack Wheeler signing with the Philadelphia Phillies for $118 million over five years, Minnesota’s interest turns to Madison Bumgarne...
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The Trade Route

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 05:53 PM
Ive heard rumblings of the Twins swinging a trade with the Tigers for a big name pitcher, and I have to assume it would be Boyd.   A...
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Chasing Madison Bumgarner Thread

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 05:32 PM
Looks like the market is heating up for Bumgarner now, and the Twins are in. Post rumors and thoughts as they arise, please:  
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Twins High Impact Pitching Options Dwindling as Wheeler and Hamels Reach Agreements

The Twins watched today as baseball's hot stove heated up like a microwave. Two of the top remaining seven starting pitchers reached agreements with other teams, and at least one of them was reportedly a Minnesota Twins target. Zack Wheeler, who the Twins reportedly made an offer, has reached a 5-year agreement with the Philadelphia Phillies. Cole Hamels was signed by the Atlanta Braves earlier in the day.
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The moves mean that among top-tier starting pitchers, only five remain: Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, Madison Bumgarner, Hyun-Jin Ryu and Dallas Kuechel. Here are their profiles from Twins Daily's Offseason Handbook, which you can still download for whatever price you think is fair.

 Gerrit Cole, RHP
Age: 29
Previous Team: Astros
2019 Stats: 2.50 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 13.8 K/9, 2.0 BB/9 in 212.1 IP
The big fish. The crown jewel. The white whale. Upon being traded from Pittsburgh to Houston two years ago, Cole went from being a great pitcher to one of the best in the game, and he's coming off a career year with 326 strikeouts and 20 wins. Still only 29 years old, the right-hander will command a king's ransom. Are you prepared to wade into these waters?
Estimated Contract: 7 years, $224 million

 Stephen Strasburg, RHP
Age: 31
Previous Team: Nationals
2019 Stats: 3.32 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 10.8 K/9, 2.4 BB/9 in 209.0 IP
Presumably, Strasburg will opt out of his remaining four years and $100 million with the Nationals. At the very least he should be able to beef up his current deal in Washington, and if he tests the open market, there's a decent chance someone else could lure him away. Obviously, that'd be a pricy proposition. Strasburg's stuff is as good as it gets, and he's coming off a fantastic season. But, he has averaged only 145 innings over the past four seasons, so there's some durability risk attached to the sky-high price tag.
Estimated Contract: 6 years, $150 million

 Madison Bumgarner, LHP
Age: 30
Previous Team: Giants
2019 Stats: 3.90 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 1.9 BB/9 in 207.2 IP
The legendary World Series performer hasn't quite been the same over the past three years as he was through age 26; his downturn coincides with a 2017 dirtbike accident that injured his pitching shoulder. Since his return, he's still been effective – albeit looking more like a No. 2 than No. 1. He did pitch very well in the second half of 2019. The record of postseason mastery remains a primary selling point, even if it's been five years since we've seen it.
Estimated Contract: 4 years, $80 million

 Hyun-Jin Ryu, LHP
Age: 31
Previous Team: Astros
2019 Stats: 2.32 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 8.0 K/9, 1.2 BB/9 in 182.2 IP
The Korean southpaw is coming off some kinda season. He was the best pitcher in an elite Dodgers rotation that included Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler, and Rich Hill. Ryu has in fact always been quite effective when on the mound, boasting a 54-33 career record and 2.98 ERA. The trouble has been staying healthy. Prior to 2019 he'd totaled 213.2 IP over the past four seasons. LA will surely seek to bring him back and it may be tough to pry him away, but money talks if you're willing to take the risk with the upside.
Estimated Contract: 3 years, $54 million

 Dallas Keuchel, LHP (ATL, 32): Signed midway through the season after shedding his draft-pick compensation and pitched to form in Atlanta: a solid No. 2 type but hardly an ace. 3 years, $45 million


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In My La-Z-boy
Yesterday, 01:59 PM

I am thankful Odorizzi took the QO from us. Based on this deal he probably could have got a 3/60 ish type of deal in this market. Please go get Michael Pineda now already before our options disappear.

    • scottz, Twins33, Dantes929 and 7 others like this
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Twins Fan 7
Yesterday, 01:59 PM

Keep kicking your feet and watch these free agents slip off the board

If we resign Pineda I have complete faith that Dobnak and Graterol and Smeltzer can outperform Gibson and Perez. Not that I would mind having Ryu.

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KurtSuzuki'sRedHat
Yesterday, 02:08 PM

Offer Eddie Rosario and Brent Rooker to the Mets for noah syndergaard

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SF Twins Fan
Yesterday, 02:12 PM

 

Does Bumgarner get more or less than Wheeler?

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sweetmusicviola16
Yesterday, 02:13 PM

 

If we resign Pineda I have complete faith that Dobnak and Graterol and Smeltzer can outperform Gibson and Perez. Not that I would mind having Ryu.

But this is what they do to us every off season it seems. Have us be happy to not have improvements. Without Cole or Wheeler, etc this is not a better rotation. Berrios, Odo, Pineda is not a WS rotation.

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Seth Stohs
Yesterday, 02:19 PM

 

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John Bonnes
Yesterday, 02:20 PM

 

 

Does Bumgarner get more or less than Wheeler?

 

Less, I think? But maybe not a lot less. People forget he's only 30 years old. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets 4/90.

    • scottz, Twins33, DocBauer and 6 others like this
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TwinkieTownKiller
Yesterday, 02:22 PM

Should be noteworthy that teams are kicking the tires on Pineda as well. He may not be the ace we need but if he pitches like he did down the stretch last year he can be very important piece on a winning team. Certainly a good consolation prize if we miss out on everyone else. I'm hoping we don't wind up regretting not giving the QO given the fact that it wasn't for the full amount.

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sweetmusicviola16
Yesterday, 02:25 PM

 

Less, I think? But maybe not a lot less. People forget he's only 30 years old. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets 4/90.

That'd be my guess, your original 4/80 is likely light.

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LA VIkes Fan
Yesterday, 02:26 PM

Tough blow, but we all have to remember one thing; sometimes there are factors other than money that come into play and don't help the Twins. Wheeler's wife being from the Philadelphia area is one. Gerritt Cole being from SoCal is another. If the money is even reasonably close to the same or similar, these guys may prioritize being near family, pitching in a familiar division where they're comfortable, weather, all kinds of things.  

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TwinkieTownKiller
Yesterday, 02:33 PM

 

Offer Eddie Rosario and Brent Rooker to the Mets for noah syndergaard

They will not accept that trade

    • diehardtwinsfan, Oldgoat_MN, PseudoSABR and 8 others like this
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lukeduke1980
Yesterday, 02:33 PM

Probably have to get creative.Collin McHugh and turn him back to a starter?Hope for a Rick Porcello bounceback?Sign Brett Anderson and Rich Hill and hope to get 25 combined starts?

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TwinkieTownKiller
Yesterday, 02:34 PM

 

 

Does Bumgarner get more or less than Wheeler?

Less I'd hope. Worth a win and a half less and is missing the upside peripherals.

    • wabene likes this

Better make good offers to Ryu and Baumgarner. If they only plan on signing one of them, make them both great offers and tell them that only the first one to sign gets the deal.

 

Then after the first guy signs, say just kidding, the second guy to sign also gets the deal.

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MMMordabito
Yesterday, 02:36 PM

That was fool money for Wheeler.Glad the Twins didn't go down that path.As Seth pointed out in his article,Berrios and Gausman have pretty similar career peripheral numbers and both are younger.I'd like to see an extension and a signing respectively.  

    • LA VIkes Fan, gman, wabene and 1 other like this
That was fool money for Wheeler but I'm still bummed. A starter with heat like that? Would've been fun. At least this is happening fast this year let's get two of Pineda, Baumgarner, Ryu and Gausman!
    • brvama, wavedog, TNTwinsFan and 2 others like this
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LA VIkes Fan
Yesterday, 02:54 PM

I like getting Gausman for the back end but not as the only guy. We need a front end guy first and foremost. I like Baumgarner the best. I live in LA and Ryu is great on the days/weeks/months that he actually pitches. The problem is that there just aren't enough of those days. He pitched 182 innings last year, 82 in 2018, 126 in 2017, 4.2 TOTAL in 2015 and 2016, and 344 in 2013 and 2014. In other words, He pitched 170+ innings in 2 of the last 7 years (2014 and 2019), 150 in 2013, 126 in 2017,and below 100 innings in the other 3. You just don't know what you're going to get from him. Makes it hard to justify a 3 or 4 year deal ) at a 17-22M AAV, and that's what he's looking for.  

 

I say let's go get Baumgarner - 4/80-90m sounds good.  

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terrydactyls1947
Yesterday, 02:59 PM

I'm watching Hot Stove League on MLB network and they said that Wheeler turned down a higher offer from the White Sox.I don't think there was any chance of Wheeler leaving the national league.I hope they sign Ryu, Baumgardner, and Gausner, trade for another starter and hope someone pans out.

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TNTwinsFan
Yesterday, 03:03 PM

That was fool money for Wheeler but I'm still bummed. A starter with heat like that? Would've been fun. At least this is happening fast this year let's get two of Pineda, Baumgarner, Ryu and Gausman!


Or 3 of 4!!
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MileHighTwinsFan
Yesterday, 03:04 PM

Wheeler signing shows that it is not just about money. 

 

How can Twins indicate that they have a win-now mentality?Does signing Donaldson send that message?What about a trade for a shutdown reliever?  

 

This is so much more than trying to outbid other teams at this point. 

 

 

 

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Cap'n Piranha
Yesterday, 03:12 PM

The game is starting to lose chairs, and there's not that much music left to be played.I agree that at this point the Twins need to do something to send a message.Similar to when the Tigers signed Pudge to a deal most people thought was way too high; it demonstrated the Tigers were serious about winning.We need to do something right now to show this isn't going to be the same old Twins, hoping for internal growth.Whether that's blowing away Cole's highest offer, giving Donaldson 4 and $128, or putting Rendon in the quarter-billion club, something is needed to kickstart this.

    • D.C Twins likes this
Bundy to the Halos. Another one off the board.
Check that, Bundy was acquired in a trade.

 

Offer Eddie Rosario and Brent Rooker to the Mets for noah syndergaard

 

Switch Buxton and Rosario there and you maybe get the Mets to listen. 

    • Mike Sixel, mikelink45, D.C Twins and 1 other like this