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Twins Daily Roundtable: The Looming Mauer Decision

Twins Daily Roundtable is a weekly series. As part of this series, a question will be posed to the site’s writers and they will respond in 200 words or less (Some writers don’t like to stick to this limit). This will give readers an opportunity to see multiple points of view and then add their own point of view in the comments section.

Joe Mauer continues to climb the all-time Twins leaderboard as fans have seen him reach some impressive milestones over the last calendar year. Moving forward, there are plenty of questions about what next season will bring for Mr. Mauer. His massive contract extension expires at season’s end and there’s no telling how much longer Mauer will play.

This week’s roundtable discussion question is: “What will Joe Mauer decide about next season?”
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John Bonnes
Joe Mauer will decide he wants to play, because he loves to compete. The Twins will decide they want him back, because there are not going to be a lot of top flight first-base-type sluggers available on the free agent market. Plus, the Twins weren't adept at getting on base this year (.314 OBP, 9th in the AL), so Mauer remains a good fit.

However, I anticipate some drama, at least privately and probably publicly, around the two sides coming to an agreement. This will be the fourth significant negotiation between Mauer and the Twins: there was the draft negotiation, the long-term deal that bought out his initial free agent year, and the $23M-per-year long-term deal. In all three of those, Mauer never advertised that he was willing to take any kind of hometown discount and pushed the team to its limit. (It's almost, again, like he loves to compete.) So I expect him to ask for more guaranteed years and more guaranteed money than the Twins will expect, and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear rumors of him being courted by other teams, or that an agreement isn't reached until later in the offseason.

But ultimately, I think a one-year deal or a team-friendly two-year deal will get done. That might be my heart overruling my head. Or maybe my head is assuming that hearts will hold sway over heads on both sides of the negotiation. Either way, I hope this goes the way of "heart."

Seth Stohs
Short answer: He'll do whatever he wants.

Longer answer: If he wants to play, he'll be signed by the Twins for a 1-2 year deal. He could retire if he no longer enjoys it, but clearly, he's been healthy again the last couple of years and he still contributes to the Twins in multiple ways.

Tom Froemming
The deeper we get into the season without an announcement, the more I feel like Joe is going to play in 2019.

The Mauers are going to be welcoming the third child into their family sometime around Thanksgiving, and I'm sure that's going to play a huge role in what Joe decides about his future. I believe him when he says he hasn't really thought about it or come to a conclusion yet, but I think there will be strong interest, from the Twins, in a reunion.

It's impossible to know what's really going through his head, but I think if the Twins make any kind of honest effort to bring him back, as I expect they will, he'll be back.

Ted Schwerzler
I genuinely think that Joe returns to the Twins in 2019. I initially believed there was room for a 2- or 3-year deal, but think he'll sign a one-year pact this winter. If everything goes well, I could see him returning in 2020 as well. At the end of the day, he's an ideal leadoff hitter, and remains among the best defensive first basemen in all of baseball. The Twins should be doing what they can to push him into returning, and it'd be a good thing for them if he obliges.

Cody Christie
I’m not sure what to think after some of the decisions made by the front office this week. Falvey and Levine might decide they want to keep him around or they could decide to go in another direction. Mauer could find himself waffling through multiple emotions as well.

Joe Mauer has the potential to be in the conversation of best Twins player of all-time. According to FanGraphs WAR, only Harmon Killebrew (59.3 fWAR) and Rod Carew (56.9 fWAR) have amassed more career value in a Twins uniform. Mauer might never catch those two or live up to the legend of Kirby Puckett but he’s still a once in a generation talent.

I think Mauer’s competitive side wins out and we will see him back with the Twins next season. Like any player, I believe he wants to make the Hall of Fame and he will need to continue to put up numbers for multiple more seasons to pad his resume. That being said, I think he only plays for another season or two.

SD Buhr
I’ll make this short. I think Joe Mauer retires.

I think the current front office will decide they want to move on from having Mauer as their primary first baseman, they will communicate that to him, and he will choose to retire rather than accept a reserve role.

Is it what I would do? No. If I were Mauer, I’d have my agent shop me around for a regular spot with a potential contender, so I could get my ring. But, from all accounts, that’s not what Mauer is likely to do.

But with a growing family, financial security and being at risk of further head injuries, I suspect that he will hang up the spikes, rather than accept a role where he’s watching as much as (or more than) playing.

If you missed any of the most recent roundtable discussions, here are the links:
Grading the Front Office
Grading Molitor
Closing Time
Prospect Promotions
Hall of Fame Impact

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I hate it, but I tend to be in the SD/Cody camp.After what Falvey did over the weekend, I think they quietly push him toward retirement.And, when concussion symptoms return after just diving for a pop up, maybe it'd be in Joe's best interest to hang 'em up.  

If he returns, I think they can limit him to around 100 games at 1B and about 40 at DH.He and Tyler Austin may make an interesting 1B/DH platoon.Sano can play 125 at 3B, 25 at DH.

 

He will have played less than 100 games at firstbase 2 of the last three years. He has never once played in 140 games in any season in his career. Ever. Three of the last five years he hasn't started 100 games.....

 

Where do people come up with starting 140 games, given that?

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If he values his long term mental health, he will take an inventory of his concussions and weigh that against ANY career benefit to be obtained over the next couple of years, and retire. Should he decide to try and come back: 1 year + 2 option years @ $20M.

 

Joe Mauer is not the problem on this team. Start with ownership and the front office. Next year should be a definite and substantial move forward. If not.....then look at ownership. Any successful entity would.

 

He's certainly not the problem, but isn't it possible that a player who is the third mostly highly paid first baseman in MLB, but not among the top 20 1b's in either WAR, slugging, or weighted OBA, is at least a problem?

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RaymondLuxuryYacht
Sep 05 2018 02:55 PM

I hope he is back next year

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Bill Brown69
Sep 05 2018 02:58 PM

I want Mauer back. Actually I want the old Mauer back but that doesn't seem realistic. 

 

I hope he doesn't even mentally flirt with the idea of 12 mil per year. More like a 2 year at 15-18 Mil total. 120 games at first next year, none as DH. The second year if Rooker is ready and Austin improves then maybe we have a quandary. For next year I don't see either ready to take over full time with a glove. Austin could get 100+ games as DH and have Joe help him with his glove work. 

 

Joe could go out as the best in Minnesota history, all he has to do now is be a player on a WS team and groom one of those 2 into a gold glove 1B! 

 

I want Mauer back. Actually I want the old Mauer back but that doesn't seem realistic. 

 

I hope he doesn't even mentally flirt with the idea of 12 mil per year. More like a 2 year at 15-18 Mil total. 120 games at first next year, none as DH. The second year if Rooker is ready and Austin improves then maybe we have a quandary. For next year I don't see either ready to take over full time with a glove. Austin could get 100+ games as DH and have Joe help him with his glove work. 

 

Joe could go out as the best in Minnesota history, all he has to do now is be a player  a WS team and groom one of those 2 into a gold glove 1B! 

 

he's not even close to playing in 120 games at first base two of the last three years......

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Pretty sure I've heard Joe enough times this season to know he wants to keep playing - and for the Twins. If the Twins are going nowhere for a while, I'd be happy to see him return on a team-friendly contract for a season or two to take more good at-bats and break more club records.

 

As other people have said, I have no idea what the FO wants. Will the FO be seen as less maverick and more Ryan-like if they sign Mauer? What options are there to replace him? I don't see any on the roster now.

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Didn't get my thoughts in for this one, but I agree with what seems to be the general consensus —he plays here or doesn't play at all.
 
I think it's a good idea to bring him back as long as it's for the Twins price and their idea of his playing time, not his.
 
I'm not convinced this front office thinks that way, though. I think they're more likely than anyone who has ever been in the Twins FO before, to just move on from him. 
 
I'd hate it if he kind of got 'forced' into retirement like that, but then I'd tell him go try and play for a contender. I always wanted to see him play a majority of games in Fenway Park. All those drives to left-center start hitting the green monster and turn into at least singles instead of outs. Have maintained he would have hit .400 there in his prime.

I often read this.

Mauer is a career .255/.347/.397 hitter at Fenway. It’s only 157 PAs, but I still don’t think he’s any different than he was if he had played in Fenway.

He might even be worse...he rarely hits the ball over the LFer, and with the LFer playing shallower, more of those soft liners to left might get caught instead of falling for singles.
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As for Mauer...why was he the only expiring contract not traded this year? Did he exercise his no trade clause?

Entirely within his rights, of course, but what does that say about him?

 

 

 

I'd hate it if he kind of got 'forced' into retirement like that, but then I'd tell him go try and play for a contender. I always wanted to see him play a majority of games in Fenway Park. All those drives to left-center start hitting the green monster and turn into at least singles instead of outs. Have maintained he would have hit .400 there in his prime.

 

So.... if he is not good enough for the Twins, why in heaven he should be good enough for the Red Sox or another perennial contender?

 

Mauer smacking the green monster would had been a valid fantasyc.2009-2010 ;)

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Great player once not now. Does a FO that is trying to build a strong playoff contending team really need a 36 yr old part time replacement level 1B/DH?


There are those types of players on all championship teams. Not specifically that position, but whatever position they play. Grandpa Ross, Carlos Beltran, Alex Rios, etc.

Joe Mauer can still play a valuable role on a championship team. Part time role player and primary pinch hitter.
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As for Mauer...why was he the only expiring contract not traded this year? Did he exercise his no trade clause?
Entirely within his rights, of course, but what does that say about him?


He understands how contracts work?
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[quote name="Craig Arko" timestamp="1536192098"]He understands how contracts work?[/quote

And winning isn't his top priority?
[quote name="KGB" post="791747" timestamp="1536193051"][quote name="Craig Arko" timestamp="1536192098"]He understands how contracts work?[/quote

And winning isn't his top priority?[/quote]

I would hope his family is his top priority.

 

 All those drives to left-center start hitting the green monster and turn into at least singles instead of outs. Have maintained he would have hit .400 there in his prime.

I agree with you. In 2006 or 2009, he would have flirted with .400 if he played at Fenway and ESPN would've had breaking news stories on it all the time.

So.... if he is not good enough for the Twins, why in heaven he should be good enough for the Red Sox or another perennial contender?

Mauer smacking the green monster would had been a valid fantasy c.2009-2010 ;)


David Ortiz wasn't good enough for the Twins??

Prob more along the lines of what each team needs. The Twins need a guy they can pencil into their lineup everyday which it appears as if Mauer isn't that guy anymore. Boston or another team could be deep enough to use a guy like Mauer for 120 games a year and get real value out of those 120 games?

 

David Ortiz wasn't good enough for the Twins??

Prob more along the lines of what each team needs. The Twins need a guy they can pencil into their lineup everyday which it appears as if Mauer isn't that guy anymore. Boston or another team could be deep enough to use a guy like Mauer for 120 games a year and get real value out of those 120 games?

 

 

David Ortiz was great for the Twins but not as good as good ol' boy Matt LeCroy for Terry Ryan.

 

Mauer is about 10 years older than Ortiz was when he went to Boston.And in Mauer's age, that's dog years...

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He understands how contracts work?


So your theory is, Mauer said “no” to a trade?

As I said, that’d be well within his rights. Just don’t turn around and tell me he cares about the Twins. I’ve been told repeatedly that the Twins were smart to trade expiring contracts. Well, there’s one that didn’t leave.
Yeah, Joe doesn't care about the Twins if he chose to stay with the Twins instead of being traded. Concrete reasoning. Some will stop at nothing to take shots at him.

I love how it's okay to attack HIS character too. I thought that wasn't allowed here.
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I think if he had been planning to stay, the last few weeks and the next few weeks might cause him to change his mind.
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So your theory is, Mauer said “no” to a trade?

As I said, that’d be well within his rights. Just don’t turn around and tell me he cares about the Twins. I’ve been told repeatedly that the Twins were smart to trade expiring contracts. Well, there’s one that didn’t leave.

 

This is just a cheap pot shot at Joe.Born and raised in the Twin Cities, played his entire career in the system and with the Twins.His family is here, his friends are here, basically his entire life, but you want to take a shot at him for not being a "team player" and being traded in the twilight of his career to play ball away from all of that?Please.He earned and negotiated that no trade clause.  

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This is just a cheap pot shot at Joe.Born and raised in the Twin Cities, played his entire career in the system and with the Twins.His family is here, his friends are here, basically his entire life, but you want to take a shot at him for not being a "team player" and being traded in the twilight of his career to play ball away from all of that?Please.He earned and negotiated that no trade clause.


We’re off topic here, I guess, and that’s my fault.

But it’s not a cheap shot. It’s a legitimate question. Remove the sentimentality. There’s only one expiring contract left, no?
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We’re off topic here, I guess, and that’s my fault.

But it’s not a cheap shot. It’s a legitimate question. Remove the sentimentality. There’s only one expiring contract left, no?

 

You are making him to the bad guy for NOT being traded because of his contract status.Yes, he has an expiring contract.You think the only way to show that he cares about the Twins and the franchise was to waive his no-trade clause this year?

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David Ortiz was great for the Twins but not as good as good ol' boy Matt LeCroy for Terry Ryan.

Mauer is about 10 years older than Ortiz was when he went to Boston. And in Mauer's age, that's dog years...


If he was great for the Twins why'd they get rid of him? Also I think it had more to do with Dougie baseball than LeCroy? Nonetheless both Ortiz and Dougie Baseball won the World Series for the Bosox. I think both of them kinda stuck their noses up at the Twins and went neener, neener, neener when they got those rings too.

I'm kinda getting on board that I'd love to see Mauer go to one of those teams in a part time 120 game roll and win a World Series for himself while all of us Twins fans sit around wondering which minor leaguers are going to take over for the Twins in 2020.
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As for Mauer...why was he the only expiring contract not traded this year? Did he exercise his no trade clause?
Entirely within his rights, of course, but what does that say about him?

There was a quote from him saying he was not asked to so they never tried to trade him or it was never close at least.

I'm guessing they didn't have any Mauer talks because they know Mauer's answer already. He wants to be a Twin for life and it's not hard to believe him.

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