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Thought Exercise: What Would You Give For Cano & Diaz?

Today the big news will be a trade between the Mets and Mariners that brings secon baseman Robinson Cano and closer Edwin Diaz to the Mets. While it's fun to speculate, this deal likely could not have involved the Twins. Key to the deal is that Cano has a no-trade clause that he must waive, and doing so probably requires a return to New York City. But last I checked, we're four months from real baseball, so let's speculate anyway....
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How much fun would it have been to add Cano and Diaz to the Twin roster for next year? Cano gprovides a middle-of-the-order hitter at second base, and still leaves lots of room to add more offense at first base and designated hitter. Diaz is a 24-year-old lights-out closer who is under team control for four more years. Some of the bigger offseason challenges are handled in one early move.

Of course, the reason the Mariners made this deal is because Cano will make $24 million for the next six years. He also lost half of last season to a performance-enhancing drugs suspension. Plus, he's 35 years old. The reason he's available, and indeed the reason he almost has to be traded with Diaz, is because his contract is such a liability. We may find out the deal includes some money to help cover those salaries in 2021-2023, but right now we don't have any details.

But it's also worth noting that the Mets aren't giving up a tremendous amount here. They're giving up "two top prospects" but the three names prominently mentioned include 19-year-old outifleder Jarred Kelenic (a 6th overall draft pick last year), and pitchers Justin Dunn and/or David Peterson. MLB.com's Pipeline lists Kelenic and Dunn as Top 100 guys, but late-Top 100 guys. By comparion, Twins prospects like Royce Lewis and Alex Kiriloff are top 10. Instead, a comparable package might have been Brusdar Graterol and Trevor Larnach (or any of the Twins #4-#9 prospects).

Plus, the Mets are dumping a couple of questionable contracts themselves. Jay Bruce dealt with cascading injuries last year and will cost them $13M over the next two years. Swarzak had shoulder issues, lost his feel for the zone and is due $8M this year. Without including them, the package would've been even less.

Of course, Minneapolis is not New York City, so to really make the deal a reality, they would've also needed to find something to entice Cano to waive his no-trade clause. Throwing additional money at a bad contract that is going to run until a guy is 41 doesn't seem wise. It certainly doesn't seem like The Twins Way®. But if the only thing standing between getting the deal done and it not getting done is a little more cash, maybe a $5M bonus next year sweetens the pot? This is the year that they have the money, right?

It's a moot point, obviously. Mostly this deal intrigued me because I've been advocating a frugal approach on a middle infielder, but immediately pivoted into full-blow "WANT" mode when I saw the players available. But I'd be interested in what the community thinks. What kind of creative would have made sense for the Twins?

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Aerodeliria
Dec 01 2018 10:21 AM

I assume all the anti juicers want Polanco gone?


Not me, but Polanco is 25, not 35. It was good for him to get busted and that it happened when it did. Cano's case is much different--10 years older and unless he was super good at the cover up, clean up untl last year.
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ChrisKnutson
Dec 01 2018 10:51 AM
I know we’re talking about hypotheticals, but since this is reality, what are the chances we make a trade as impactful as this?

And if so, for who???

Carlos Santana’s still an obvious candidate (move Cron to DH), Eugenio Suarez might be available, Gary Sanchez(???), ATL might wanna move on from Julio Teheran, or perhaps ARI could attach Ketel Marte to Greinke’s contract for a sizable return.

Moderator's Note: While I doubt it's your intent, let's (all collectively) not turn this into another "PEDs: Pro Or Con" thread, nor draw lines putting every poster in either one camp or the other. Cano was suspended for violating the league's drug policy*, and that may or may not be a factor in whether one would wish to acquire him. But let's not expand it beyond Cano.

* As a point of information, he was suspended for use of a diuretic that is banned because it can mask PED use. He denied PED use, admitting only to the banned diuretic which he ascribed to a misunderstanding. OTOH people in the industry have been quoted as lacking in surprise he ran afoul of the rules.


Apologies. Certainly not my intent. Want it deleted?
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ashburyjohn
Dec 01 2018 11:10 AM

Want it deleted?

No. And anyway I know how. :)

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howieramone2
Dec 01 2018 11:42 AM

 

You can never fail when your goal is always three years from today.

Whose goal is that? Cano's contract may be the worst in baseball. Darvish's contract, which if memory serves, you were quite fond of, may be close.

I assume all the anti juicers want Polanco gone?


It's not just on principle.
Polanco makes the minimum.
I don't want to pay huge guaranteed money to a guy who may not be able to hit without PED's.

Whose goal is that? Cano's contract may be the worst in baseball. Darvish's contract, which if memory serves, you were quite fond of, may be close.


I think your argument should be with Falvey/Levine, no? They told us they were trying to sign Darvish.
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Deal remains on hold...maybe administrative...maybe the cash?

 

As of now, the Mets parting ways with their 4 and 5 prospects (one of which was a #6 overall pick), plus another high-velocity young arm. That's too much, IMO...almost no matter the cash. It's not like the contract won't look horrible 2-3 years from now just because you got $60M back in 2018 as part of the transaction.

 

But this falls under the category of a reasonable 'win now' move, IMO...the Met's being a team that automatically has a chance in the NL give their starting pitching. However, I would think this would end any speculation that the Mets would trade any of the top starters?

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Whose goal is that? Cano's contract may be the worst in baseball. Darvish's contract, which if memory serves, you were quite fond of, may be close.

 

The Twins clearly disagree, as they were the 2nd bidder on Darvish, so they wanted him (just for 1 year less).......

The Twins clearly disagree, as they were the 2nd bidder on Darvish, so they wanted him (just for 1 year less).......


I'm not sure they actually wanted him.
They offered him a contract that, while technically might have been the 2nd highest, he was never, IMO, going to accept. And I'm sure his agent made it clear to teams that he wasn't signing without a player opt out, so IMO, the Twins knew he wasn't going to consider their offer.
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tarheeltwinsfan
Dec 02 2018 03:10 PM

I would give several Mets and several ofthe Mets' best minor league prospects.

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I'm not sure they actually wanted him.
They offered him a contract that, while technically might have been the 2nd highest, he was never, IMO, going to accept. And I'm sure his agent made it clear to teams that he wasn't signing without a player opt out, so IMO, the Twins knew he wasn't going to consider their offer.

 

That's certainly possible, that it was all PR. I accused them of as much last year, and was told that wasn't fair.....

Let's speculate that the Twins become real players in the Free Agent market instead of pretenders. That is afterall what we were promised when we helped fund a new stadium for them. 

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ashburyjohn
Dec 04 2018 09:27 AM

Let's speculate that the Twins become real players in the Free Agent market instead of pretenders. That is afterall what we were promised when we helped fund a new stadium for them. 

I thought the promise was that they could sign their good homegrown players when those players became eligible to leave.

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I thought the promise was that they could sign their good homegrown players when those players became eligible to leave.

 

Wouldn't that require them to develop one first? It's a convenient way to not spend money.....

 

but, they spent a lot last year. They just spent it very wrongly, imo.

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ashburyjohn
Dec 04 2018 10:17 AM

Wouldn't that require them to develop one first? It's a convenient way to not spend money.....

 

but, they spent a lot last year. They just spent it very wrongly, imo.

I was trying to correct the record on what was said. Not what they should have said. :)

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