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So Now What? Here's Twins Daily's Offseason Primer

“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.” – Janis Joplin

When the time was right, the Twins promised they would pull the trigger. It could not be any more right than this offseason – the Twins have unprecedented freedom to address their starting pitching issues - and Twins Daily will cover their decisions, rumors and moves (or lack thereof) every day throughout the offseason.
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First up: tomorrow we’ll start coverage from our 12th annual Twins Daily Offseason Handbook. It’s a complete breakdown of the decisions the Twins will need to make, including how much they’re likely to spend, which free agents will be available, what trade candidates they can pursue, and a full breakdown of minor league options. You’ll be able to preorder it tomorrow, ensuring you get it before we even get to the end of the World Series.

You’ll also get daily coverage of the team, even without games. Want a breakdown of what you can expect from Luis Arraez? Well, we’ve already got that, but we’ll have more like that. Want to hear about how top Twins prospect Royce Lewis is doing in the Arizona Fall League? OK, we already have that too, but there will be plenty more coverage like that as well.

How about the latest rumors? They’ll be covered in our stories, but covered even more immediately in our forums, along with thoughtful, civil discussion about what they mean, and whether they make sense for the Twins.

There should be plenty to talk about. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine have positioned the Twins to have a very low payroll commitment exactly when they need to go out and rebuild a starting rotation to compete with teams like the Astros and Yankees. We will be detailing that tomorrow, and how even if the Pohlads don’t break the bank, money should not be much of a limiting factor.

We’ll also be profiling free agent targets or trade candidates pretty much every day on the site. If you haven’t already, you’ll learn all about Gerrit Cole, the top free agent starting pitcher available. Is it even worth talking about whether the Twins could land the top free agent pitcher on the market? Hint: there’s already an essay in the Offseason Handbook titled “Could the Twins Sign Gerrit Cole?”

For the next four months, right up until spring training, we’ll be covering the Twins, uh, daily. Just like we have done for the last seven years. If you’re not ready for the season to end, we’ve got good news: it never does here. We’ll see you tomorrow.

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nicksaviking
Oct 08 2019 02:30 PM

 

Neither of whom is proven at the MLB level. Classic bird in hand is with two in the bush scenario.

 

True, but you can also pick up usable corner outfielders on the free agent market real cheap. If someone is willing to offer some pitching for one of ours, I'm more than fine picking up whomever next year's Avisail Garcia, Nick Markakis, Adam Jones, Cameron Maybin or Hunter Pence is and bide our time with them waiting to see if the prospects emerge.

Until MLB puts a stop to the big market teams outspending and gobbling up all the top talent available nothing will change.

 

They need to acquire a true ACE pitcher and a true #2 pitcher either thru Free Agency or trade or both. Will they be able to compete for them due to what I just posted above? I doubt it. 

I'd like to see an ACE and a #2 starter plus Berrios, Odorizzi and Pineda in the rotation next year. If it is anything different than that it'll be another short playoff run in 2020.

The only way the Twins add a front line pitcher will be if they build yet another new bar at Target Field and name it "Front Line Pitcher"


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At least Eddie showed up last night with his bat.....I like Eddie and I think he will improve just like everyone should. Eddie needs to go back to left field, Bucky in Center and Kepler in Right. Hell maybe Eddie hates MN...I hope not. He is an exciting player and fans love him.
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diehardtwinsfan
Oct 08 2019 05:58 PM

This might not be a bad place to post links to things like our rule V eligibility and projected salaries as well. I know we dumped a couple guys we'd have likely lost (Diaz, Holmes), but I still think they're going to have a roster crunch on teh 40 man to deal with as well.

 

The question is whether or not a top self starter is available via trade or not. Cole/Strassburg are obvious targets and landing one of them would be huge (and also highly unlikely)... 

 

Here's their current payroll situation.

 

Here's the 40 man

 

The only way the Twins add a front line pitcher will be if they build yet another new bar at Target Field and name it "Front Line Pitcher"

Now there's a dragon that Dave St. Peter can really slay!

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I love all the optimism, but the Twins will not be signing Cole, Strasburg, etc. It just won't happen. The Twins have never invested that type of money in a SP, and it won't start now.

There is always a first time

 

So thinking to next year. Tell me where I am wrong with the Twins moves.

Pick up the option on Nelson (no brainer)
Decline options on Perez (7MM) and Dyson. Do not re-sign Schoop or Cron (Move Sano to 1st).Only re-sign Castro if price is right to be back-up catcher for 1 year. Otherwise find a decent left handed hitting backup catcher. Many of them around to be had. Bring back Romo for 1 year. He’s a great team guy and very experienced. His “spinners” work with our other power arms from right side.

Put the qualifying offer on Odorizzi. Pretty much confirms he would be back for at least 1 year when a draft pick gets hooked to him.

Do not bring back Pineda. Misses first 40 games of next year to suspension. That’s ¼ of a season. No thanks.

Consider trading Sano or Rosario along with a couple decent prospects for a good young front line starter. Not sure yet who that might be but must be one somewhere? (Maybe Thor?) I would prefer Sano be the one as he just doesn’t make enough contact for me and isn’t much for defense at 3rd. If you keep him he needs to play first and make a little better contact. He will always strike out a lot but 8 times in 12 at bats in playoffs is not acceptable. If Rosario would be traded find a decent outfielder to plug in. Pirates might want to move Starling Marte as he is due a larger salary than they like to carry. They would likely trade him quite willingly.

Since Sano has now moved to 1st and Arizona is rebuilding you check with them to see what it would cost to make a trade and bring Eduardo Escobar back to play 3rd. We could use a LH power bat and I love Eduardo!

Sign a very goodreliever to pair with Rogers. Not sure who yet but they will be available.

Would love to have Garret Cole. Not going to happen. Strasburg might be available. Not going to happen. That’s why we need to find really good young arm and probably over pay a bit. This person has to be someone we can keep for 2-3 years at a minimum.

Sign Zack Wheeler for the rotation. Good arm to add to rotation. Sign a lefty for rotation. Cole Hamels maybe??

Rotation would than be Berrios, Odo, Wheeler, Lefty starter (Hamels?) and Graterol.Have Smeltzer, Thorpe and Doubnek at AAA as needed to step into rotation in case of injuries.

The difference between Cole or Strasburg and Wheeler may be $10 million a year.The difference is results, priceless.

“Sign or bail” with Twins FAs. What do you do?

Odorizzi-
Pineda-
Schoop-
Castro-
Romo-
Gibson-
Perez-
Cruz (rhetorical)

twins won't be buyers for front of the rotation guys.....12 pitchers will look like this...

 

Berrios

Odorizzi

Pineda

Graterol

Dobnak

 

Rogers

Duffey

Romo

Smeltzer

May

Littell

????

 

 

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SpicyGarvSauce
Oct 09 2019 08:46 AM

 

“Sign or bail” with Twins FAs. What do you do?

Odorizzi-
Pineda-
Schoop-
Castro-
Romo-
Gibson-
Perez-
Cruz (rhetorical)

 

Odorizzi- sign
Pineda- sign
Schoop- sign
Castro- bail
Romo- bail
Gibson- bail
Perez- bail
Cruz (rhetorical) - duh

“Sign or bail” with Twins FAs. What do you do?

Odorizzi-
Pineda-
Schoop-
Castro-
Romo-
Gibson-
Perez-
Cruz (rhetorical)


The only one I sign is Odorrizi. Castro if he takes a small pay cut, and we all agree Garver gets sixty percent of the at bats.

No way on Scoop, his money goes to pitching. No way on Perez, he's not good.

Gibson? If they think he's healthy, maybe, but I'd try elsewhere first.