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2019 2020 (non-Twins) off season

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Twins Offseason Trade Target: Matt Chapman

Matt Chapmans is one of the best defensive players in the American League and his offense isn’t too shabby either. He certainly isn’t without flaws, but the Athletics are trying to cut payroll this winter and dealing Chapman could save them some money as he gets more expensive through the arbitration process. Would the Twins consider a franchise-altering move to add someone like Chapman?
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What would it take to get Chapman?
Chapman was an All-Star in 2019 while hitting 36 home runs and 36 doubles with an .848 OPS. He won his second Gold Glove Award at third base and it might not have been close. Chapman is in a close conversation with Nolan Arenado as the best defensive third baseman in all of baseball and Chapman could be in the discussion as one of the league’s best overall defenders.

Minnesota also has one of the league’s best defenders, but he has been injured over the last couple seasons. Byron Buxton won the Platinum Glove back in 2017, but injuries have kept him off the field over parts of the last two seasons. Could the giant Oakland outfield be a better home for the budding superstar? He has more service time than Chapman and he can be a free agent in 2023.

Chapman is nearly a year older than Buxton, but they have nearly the same amount of games played at the big-league level thanks to Buxton’s DL stints. Chapman might fit with the Twins, but it will take more than Buxton to land Chapman in a Twins uniform. Minnesota would likely need to add a prospect or two to the equation to get Oakland to consider a deal.

Minnesota’s Line-Up Ramifications
Adding Chapman to the line-up would mean Miguel Sano would no longer be needed at third base. This would allow the Twins to shift him to first base and designated hitter on a more permanent rotation. Nelson Cruz and Marwin Gonzalez would continue to get at-bats at those positions next season, but this would allow for some positional depth at all those spots, especially since none of those players played a full-season last year.

If Buxton was out of the equation, Max Kepler would continue to play center field during the 2020 campaign. Then in 2021, Royce Lewis would be given the opportunity to play there and Kepler could slide back to a corner outfield role. Lewis’ defensive future has been in question over the last couple offseasons and this year’s Arizona Fall League only brought that more to the forefront.

One of Minnesota’s biggest defensive weaknesses this offseason might be third base. Adding Chapman would take away from an area of strength and add to an area of weakness. The cost of adding Chapman might be steep, but the Twins would have him for multiple years with the opportunity to offer him an extension.

What do you think Chapman would be worth in a trade? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Dec 03 2019 09:56 AM

Then in 2021, Royce Lewis would be given the opportunity to play there and Kepler could slide back to a corner outfield role. Lewis’ defensive future has been in question over the last couple offseasons and this year’s Arizona Fall League only brought that more to the forefront.


Cody, can you provide some more background on the opinion Lewis is not cut out to play shortstop? My hunch has always been that this is a fan take without much substance, and your links above don’t take me anywhere.
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I’m sure the Athletics are chomping at the bit to trade the best defensive 3B in the game...
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nicksaviking
Dec 03 2019 10:17 AM

I wouldn't think Oakland would trade Chapman, but I also wouldn't think they'd make half of the trades they do. They sure like to shake things up every now and then, even when it seems like it's out of the blue. Though I'd guess if they were going to trade someone unexpectedly, it'd be more likely to be the more easily replaceable Matt Olson across the diamond from Chapman.

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sweetmusicviola16
Dec 03 2019 10:24 AM

 

I wouldn't think Oakland would trade Chapman, but I also wouldn't think they'd make half of the trades they do. They sure like to shake things up every now and then, even when it seems like it's out of the blue. Though I'd guess if they were going to trade someone unexpectedly, it'd be more likely to be the more easily replaceable Matt Olson across the diamond from Chapman.

This. For 2020 we need a 1B. Like him there or not we have Sano at 3B and I don't like him at 1B if the plan is to contend.

 

Kiriloff and Lewis is where it would start with Chapman.

 

What would it take to acquire Olson? A lot....

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Cody, can you provide some more background on the opinion Lewis is not cut out to play shortstop? My hunch has always been that this is a fan take without much substance, and your links above don’t take me anywhere.

 

Keith Law is still skeptical. The guys at Fangraphs go back and forth. It isn't a fan take at all.

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Dec 03 2019 10:47 AM

Keith Law is still skeptical. The guys at Fangraphs go back and forth. It isn't a fan take at all.

At least give me the courtesy of a link.
Edit.. to the Fangraphs

 

Keith Law is still skeptical. The guys at Fangraphs go back and forth. It isn't a fan take at all.

 

Seems to me that Keith Law changes his tune on Lewis's defense about twice a year.

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Seems to me that Keith Law changes his tune on Lewis's defense about twice a year.

 

skeptical is not the same as "won't".....btw.

 

I've never seen him say he was confident Lewis would stick at SS. A chance, yes, but not confident.

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At least give me the courtesy of a link.
Edit.. to the Fangraphs

 

In their last writeup, they say most scouts think he can stick at SS, which was NOT THE CASE a year ago......https://blogs.fangra...innesota-twins/

 

again, not a fan take.

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I'm all for getting Chapman, and giving up the farm to do it. Don't know why we would trade Buxton to do so. If we want better defense, let's not trade our best defender for it.

 

He's to the point where he's going to start getting expensive, as well, so it doesn't make sense if the A's are trying to shed payroll. 

 

The trade would start with Kiriloff AND Lewis and I would absolutely be interested in doing that. 

 

 

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I have three Twins minor leaguers I would not trade.They are Lewis, Kirilloff and Balazovic.Might add Graterol to that, especially seeing his is almost ready.

 

The Twins are close to being a World Series contender.Their window can last for at least the next five years and probably longer.The four players above, along with Larnach will add to their ability to win it all at some point(s) between now and 2025. 

 

The reason I am saying 2025 is because that is how long they have Polanco and Kepler tied up for...or longer with options.Sure seems to me that is how the FO is thinking based on the extensions they did last spring.Will be interesting to see if they can get Buxton and Berrios extended this coming spring.  

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I have three Twins minor leaguers I would not trade. They are Lewis, Kirilloff and Balazovic. Might add Graterol to that, especially seeing his is almost ready.

The Twins are close to being a World Series contender. Their window can last for at least the next five years and probably longer. The four players above, along with Larnach will add to their ability to win it all at some point(s) between now and 2025.

The reason I am saying 2025 is because that is how long they have Polanco and Kepler tied up for...or longer with options. Sure seems to me that is how the FO is thinking based on the extensions they did last spring. Will be interesting to see if they can get Buxton and Berrios extended this coming spring.


Exactly this. You just don’t trade players you will use for the playoff run next year and all of those players are on the table to be key contributor. I mean Kirilloff could have a better bat than Chapman in 2020 let alone the future. Lewis better defense and better potential. Hell even Brent Rooker might have better offensive numbers than Chapman next year. I’d center around Rooker and Enlow and maybe another lower prospect or 2

 

Exactly this. You just don’t trade players you will use for the playoff run next year and all of those players are on the table to be key contributor. I mean Kirilloff could have a better bat than Chapman in 2020 let alone the future. Lewis better defense and better potential. Hell even Brent Rooker might have better offensive numbers than Chapman next year. I’d center around Rooker and Enlow and maybe another lower prospect or 2

None of Kirilloff, Lewis, or Rooker will be "key contributors" to a 2020 playoff run, and NONE of Kirilloff, Lewis, or Rooker will "have a better bat than Chapman in 2020."

 

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None of Kirilloff, Lewis, or Rooker will be "key contributors" to a 2020 playoff run, and NONE of Kirilloff, Lewis, or Rooker will "have a better bat than Chapman in 2020."


I didn’t say Lewis will have a better bat. Yes Kirilloff and Rooker will both have a better bat than Chapman. He just isn’t that good. I’m not sure why people are putting him on a pedestal. His batting average was below .250. His OPS was above average at best. The homeruns weren’t exactly moonshots. MLB changes the ball again and he will have a few more fly outs. He’s suddenly a .230-.240 hitter and maybe 20 homers. Solid but not great, high .700’s OPS. I would bet money Rooker and Kirilloff have higher OPS than him next season. Lewis is further out but he could get the call if they need him in Center and can play elite CF defense today

 

I didn’t say Lewis will have a better bat. Yes Kirilloff and Rooker will both have a better bat than Chapman. He just isn’t that good. I’m not sure why people are putting him on a pedestal. His batting average was below .250. His OPS was above average at best. The homeruns weren’t exactly moonshots. MLB changes the ball again and he will have a few more fly outs. He’s suddenly a .230-.240 hitter and maybe 20 homers. Solid but not great, high .700’s OPS. I would bet money Rooker and Kirilloff have higher OPS than him next season. Lewis is further out but he could get the call if they need him in Center and can play elite CF defense today

 

well, if you think those guys will be better hitters than Rosario has ever been, I can see why don't want to trade them....since Chapman has outhit Eddie....

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Cap'n Piranha
Dec 03 2019 12:03 PM

 

None of Kirilloff, Lewis, or Rooker will be "key contributors" to a 2020 playoff run, and NONE of Kirilloff, Lewis, or Rooker will "have a better bat than Chapman in 2020."

 

This is a big statement that could easily be very wrong.All three of these players are a good first 6 weeks and an injury at the right spot away from appearing on the 26 man roster.At that point, anything can happen--just ask Luis Arraez.

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This is a big statement that could easily be very wrong.All three of these players are a good first 6 weeks and an injury at the right spot away from appearing on the 26 man roster.At that point, anything can happen--just ask Luis Arraez.

It's certainly possible Rooker gets some run in 2020. I stand by my opinion he won't be a key contributor, nor will he outperform Chapman.

 

Kirilloff hasn't appeared above AA (where he put up a .763 OPS). Lewis isn't even that advanced.

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Dec 03 2019 12:14 PM

In their last writeup, they say most scouts think he can stick at SS, which was NOT THE CASE a year ago......https://blogs.fangra...innesota-twins/
 
again, not a fan take.

Ok even if it’s not purely a “fan take”, it does seem unfair to Lewis to hold information against him that’s 18 months old.

Here’s from the Athletic at the end of last season:

“He’s making really big steps,” Fort Myers manager Ramon Borrego said last week from behind his desk inside the home clubhouse at Hammond Stadium. “He’s going to play shortstop. Obviously, he needs to learn a lot of stuff. Right now, we’re really on top of anticipation on relays. We’re teaching him.”

.......

“The defense has been part of the positive developments,” Twins farm director Jeremy Zoll said. “There were so many questions from the industry. Is he actually going to be a shortstop or will he have to move to second base or center field? He’s made some really big strides and made some elite plays over there both with backhand and forehand diving stops. You see the athleticism just play.”


https://theathletic....-myers-miracle/

Maybe Keith Law will re-evaluate; don’t know. First hand reports go a long way, even from non-scouts, and maybe Law has not seen Lewis enough in the last year.

As for this past season, it’s fair to ask: “Why didn’t Lewis play short in the fall league?” But if the answer is as simple as “There were other shortstops on this team and the Twins and Lewis were glad to let him move around the field anyway,” then, that passes the smell test with me, and is not something dubious to hold against him.
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Battle ur tail off
Dec 03 2019 12:20 PM

 

I didn’t say Lewis will have a better bat. Yes Kirilloff and Rooker will both have a better bat than Chapman. He just isn’t that good. I’m not sure why people are putting him on a pedestal. His batting average was below .250. His OPS was above average at best. The homeruns weren’t exactly moonshots. MLB changes the ball again and he will have a few more fly outs. He’s suddenly a .230-.240 hitter and maybe 20 homers. Solid but not great, high .700’s OPS. I would bet money Rooker and Kirilloff have higher OPS than him next season. Lewis is further out but he could get the call if they need him in Center and can play elite CF defense today

 

Pretty bold statement to say that a guy that finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 2 years running with an average OPS of about .850 and 30 bombs a year will be outhit by a couple of guys that are still in the minors. 

If they are that damn good, then we are in for a real treat. And they would also be able to net us guys in trades that could anchor our starting pitching staff right now today. As it is, it would take both of them in a trade to net us a #3 starter.

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Cap'n Piranha
Dec 03 2019 12:34 PM

 

It's certainly possible Rooker gets some run in 2020. I stand by my opinion he won't be a key contributor, nor will he outperform Chapman.

 

Kirilloff hasn't appeared above AA (where he put up a .763 OPS). Lewis isn't even that advanced.

 

I'm not talking about him outperforming Chapman (or any of them, for that matter), simply responding to your assertion that none of the three would be a key contributor to a playoff race in 2020.I'm also not saying any of the three will be key contributors, just that there is a very easy path for all three of them to appear on the roster, at which point they could play their way into contributing.Kiriloff struggled through injuries, but still had a 121 wRC+, Lewis just OPS'd .975 in the AFL, and Rooker had an OPS of .933 in AAA.

 

If the A's were willing to take Kiriloff/Lewis + Rooker + Duran/Alcala for Chapman, I'd do that for sure, but as a number of posters have mentioned, it seems like it would take a lot more for the A's to part with a 6 WAR player making 6 figures.You'd probably have to make them a godfather offer, something like Arraez + Lewis/Kiriloff + Graterol/Balazovic, and even that might not be enough.After 2020 however, you might be able to do something.

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Cap'n Piranha
Dec 03 2019 12:38 PM

 

Ok even if it’s not purely a “fan take”, it does seem unfair to Lewis to hold information against him that’s 18 months old.

Here’s from the Athletic at the end of last season:

“He’s making really big steps,” Fort Myers manager Ramon Borrego said last week from behind his desk inside the home clubhouse at Hammond Stadium. “He’s going to play shortstop. Obviously, he needs to learn a lot of stuff. Right now, we’re really on top of anticipation on relays. We’re teaching him.”

.......

“The defense has been part of the positive developments,” Twins farm director Jeremy Zoll said. “There were so many questions from the industry. Is he actually going to be a shortstop or will he have to move to second base or center field? He’s made some really big strides and made some elite plays over there both with backhand and forehand diving stops. You see the athleticism just play.”


https://theathletic....-myers-miracle/

Maybe Keith Law will re-evaluate; don’t know. First hand reports go a long way, even from non-scouts, and maybe Law has not seen Lewis enough in the last year.

As for this past season, it’s fair to ask: “Why didn’t Lewis play short in the fall league?” But if the answer is as simple as “There were other shortstops on this team and the Twins and Lewis were glad to let him move around the field anyway,” then, that passes the smell test with me, and is not something dubious to hold against him.

 

This would be a lot more convincing if the two quotations weren't from people within the Twins organization who have a vested interest in maintaining the belief that Lewis will stick at short.I'm not saying Borrego and Zoll are being dishonest, simply that there is no reason for them to make any sort of statement about Lewis not being able to stick at short.The first evidence we will get that the Twins no longer view Lewis as a shortstop is when he no longer plays the vast majority of his games there.

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Pretty bold statement to say that a guy that finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 2 years running with an average OPS of about .850 and 30 bombs a year will be outhit by a couple of guys that are still in the minors. 

If they are that damn good, then we are in for a real treat. And they would also be able to net us guys in trades that could anchor our starting pitching staff right now today. As it is, it would take both of them in a trade to net us a #3 starter.

It would be bold to say Kirilloff or any other Twins minor league prospects is a good as Alonso, Tatis, or Robles(top rookies this year), and none of them were as good as Chapman.

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The post I responded to said that any takes that Lewis MIGHT NOT stick at short were fan takes. They clearly aren't ONLY fan takes. That was the discussion.....

 

I think the jury is still out. It also depends on the progress of other SS in the system, and Buxton's health, IMO.

 

As for trading for a top 25 or so player, with multiple years of control left.....um....not happening.

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Dec 03 2019 12:49 PM

The post I responded to said that any takes that Lewis MIGHT NOT stick at short were fan takes. They clearly aren't ONLY fan takes. That was the discussion.....
 
I think the jury is still out. It also depends on the progress of other SS in the system, and Buxton's health, IMO.
 
As for trading for a top 25 or so player, with multiple years of control left.....um....not happening.

and as long as we are getting technical, you responded to a post in which I was asking the author of the article to comment on his opinion and selection of links, which the author hasn’t done yet.
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In My La-Z-boy
Dec 03 2019 12:56 PM

 

The post I responded to said that any takes that Lewis MIGHT NOT stick at short were fan takes. They clearly aren't ONLY fan takes. That was the discussion.....

 

I think the jury is still out. It also depends on the progress of other SS in the system, and Buxton's health, IMO.

 

As for trading for a top 25 or so player, with multiple years of control left.....um....not happening.

The jury must still be out or Lewis wouldn't have spent so much time in Arizona playing CF & 3B. 


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