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Molitor, does he actually "get it"?

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Twins Need To Be Buyers Next Winter

The Gophers are (correction, were) in the Big Dance, the Wild are Stanley Cup contenders, even the Timberwolves are fighting for a playoff berth and 35,000 fans recently attended the first Major League Soccer game in Minnesota.

The Twins, meanwhile, have averaged 94 losses the past six seasons, haven't won a single playoff game since 2004 and are expected to post another losing record in the season ahead. Opening Day is right around the corner, and they're essentially an afterthought in the Minnesota sports scene.
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Something drastic will need to be done in order to keep this team relevant. The front office turnover made some waves, but it was followed by a typically quiet offseason for the Twins. To be fair, with a free agent pitching class "headlined" by Rich Hill and Ivan Nova, this wasn't the winter to make a huge signing.

Next offseason it'll be a different story, however, and the Twins should be in a great position to make a big splash. Can't imagine the Pohlad's approving a marquee signing? Well, they have very little money tied up beyond 2018, so there should be plenty of room in the budget. The only guys signed through the 2019 season are Phil Hughes ($13.2M), Jason Castro ($8M) and ByungHo Park ($3M).



So without further ado, let's play my favorite game: Spend the Pohlad Family's Money!

MLB Trade Rumors released its top 10 free agents for the 2017-18 off season this week, and the class looks to be flush with starting pitching. The list is topped by Jake Arrieta, Yu Darvish, Johnny Cueto and Masahiro Tanaka. It's worth noting that both Cueto and Tanaka would have to opt out of their current contracts to become free agents, and it's possible between now and then one of those top guys signs an extension.

None of those big four free agents has even turned 32 yet, with 28-year-old Tanaka being the youngest. Arrieta was a Cy Young winner in 2015 and both Darvish (2013) and Cueto (2014) have a runner-up finish for the award. I'm drooling just at the thought of any one of these guys in a Twins jersey, but each of them will command a hefty salary and all have some questions to answer in 2017.

Arrieta looked human from June on last season, posting a 4.05 ERA, then had a 3.63 ERA in the playoffs. There are some durability concerns with both of the Japanese imports, but at least we know Darvish's UCL has been repaired. Tanaka had an elbow injury in 2014, but he elected to forego surgery. Seems to have worked out for him, but that arm could be a ticking time bomb. Cueto has been a workhorse, but his underwhelming run with Kansas City in 2015 may cause AL teams to shy away.

But even beyond that impressive foursome, is yet another group of less tantalizing, yet still intriguing names. Chris Tillman, Micheal Pineda and Alex Cobb are among that next tier, and could dramatically improve their stock this season. Here's a quick look at the numbers:

LAST THREE SEASONS
Arrieta: 2.42 ERA, 2.72 FIP, 9.15 K/9, 2.55 BB/9
Darvish: 3.20 ERA, 2.94 FIP, 11.55 K/9, 2.94 BB/9
Cueto: 2.80 ERA, 3.26 FIP, 8.21 K/9, 2.08 BB/9
Tanaka: 3.12 ERA, 3.53 FIP, 8.18 K/9, 1.54 BB/9
Tillman: 3.99 ERA, 4.22 FIP, 6.68 K/9, 3.19 BB/9
Pineda: 4.10 ERA, 3.42 FIP, 9.20 K/9, 1.77 BB/9
Cobb: 3.54 ERA, 3.51 FIP, 7.88 K/9, 2.58 BB/9

Assuming the 2017 Twins put the worst season in franchise history behind them and look to be playoff contenders in 2018, which of these guys would you prefer? Would you pay top dollar, or wait out the market to see if there's a bargain? Or do you avoid free agency all together?

Is it too early to be speculating on such things? Absolutely, but c'mon, let's have some fun.

The guy I'd personally most like to see would be Darvish, and perhaps having Thad Levine around could be helpful in landing the strikeout machine. Levine was with the Rangers when they signed Darvish out of Japan, so he likely knows a thing or two about what makes the big righty tick.

Even if the Twins can scrounge up the $150 or so million it'll cost to sign one of the top flight guys like Darvish, will they even want to come to Minnesota, or take less to play for a World Series contender?

That's where Derek Falvey is going to have to earn his salary. Between now and next winter, he will need to get the franchise in good enough shape to be able to convincingly tell free agents "this team will be in the playoffs next season."

The front office was apparently unable to deliver that message to Mike Napoli, who took less money and a shorter commitment to play for the Rangers. Continuing failure to attract free agents is going to result in a continuing failure to attract fan interest.

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diehardtwinsfan
Mar 17 2017 05:23 AM

Isn't Kershaw a free agent this offseason as well?

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diehardtwinsfan
Mar 17 2017 05:27 AM

On topic, I think a big splash likely makes sense next season.I guess it depends on how the current pitching crop works out. I suppose Santana continues to be Santana.Hughes could be back to 2014, Gibson could show his 2015 second half, and Mejia could hit the ground running and suddenly we aren't worried about pitching... Then again, unicorns exist, right?

 

So baring everything breaking good, I think they need to pick up one good pitcher, possibly 2. The real problem is cutting bait with the guys who aren't performing while still giving the younger guys a chance.

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Also the Timberwolves are fighting for a playoff berth the way Leonardo DiCaprio was gambling for a seat on the Titanic. They're 4 games out with 15 to go and even if they got a good hand and made the playoffs, they'd be slaughtered by the iceberg (Golden State/San Antonio). More accurately, they're 11/15 in the West.

You can rip on the Twins success all you want but using the Timberwolves as proof is ridiculous. The Twins have been to the playoffs more recently than the Timberwolves and the Wolves play in a league where 53% (16/30) teams make the playoffs compared to 33% (10/30) in MLB. The Twins have also come closer (2015) than the Wolves have since Ricky Rubio was 18 and playing in Spain.

And that 2015 year (when the Twins narrowly missed the playoffs) was closer to a World Series championship than EVERY SINGLE YEAR the Timberwolves have played except 2003. No other Timberwolves team had even the smallest of chances of reaching the Western Conference Finals, let alone the Big Dance. MLB playoffs are as random as anything this side of who's-goalie-is-hotter hockey.

Baseball is a different beast than basketball. Let's not compare sports.


3-19 is not random. In fact, it's so one sided that it almost disproves a claim of randomness all on its own.
If it were just random, the expected result would be right around .500.
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Most big time free agents LOVE opt out clauses now. The twins could be creative and offer HUGE money for 2 years with an opt out for a pitcher. Then if he were to be injured, the Twins are saved for 6 years of paying an injured player.

On the flip side, if the pitcher does pitch well for 2 years, that is a good thing right?

 

Of those listed, Tillman and Pineda interest me some, as well as maybe Darvish. Could be interesting to see what happens.

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The track record of pitchers signing 5+ year deals at 30 is ridiculous. Twins Daily should riot if the Twins make that kind of a choice at the end of 2016. This is not a team with a 2 year window, this is a team that is 2 years from having a 5 year window. This offseason we should be taking gambles on the next Arrieta, not paying up the wazoo for the current Arrieta. 

 

Could not disagree more with this "spending spree".

 

Yep.  The Twins are 3 or 4 starters away from competition STILL and there is not much on the horizon that is remotely close and has proven a thing.  I was really hoping that this season would be big year for May, but as it stands now having TJ at 27....hard not to think that his career is essentially over after watching other guys taking  1 year and 1.5 years to come back.  Hughes is a shadow of his former self.  Duffey and Gibson are absolute train wrecks, Santiago is Nolasco light and Berrios can't handle major pitching.

 

Were do they go from there?  They are NOWHERE near ready to go out and spend big on premium major league starters when they have nothing else to pair it with.  If anything the new FO needs to purge guys like Hughes, Mauer, Santiago, Perkins, etc. over the next two years.  Guys who are not living up to expectations and are taking up large chunks of the payroll.  Clear some space so that in 2 years the club will have much greater flexibility to make meaningful moves and go after quality starters, to pair with some of the up and coming talent.  

 

The only hiccup is that there doesn't appear to be that many guys on the way up given how bad the team has been these past five years.  Who else is there besides Berrios, Gonsalves, Romero, Meija?.  Thorpe missed 2015 and 2016 with TJ surgery and a viral infection and is off the radar.  Kohl Stewart looks like a flop with the horrible K/9 rates.  Tyler Jay is struggling to convert to a starting role.  

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diehardtwinsfan
Mar 17 2017 07:07 AM

 

Most big time free agents LOVE opt out clauses now. The twins could be creative and offer HUGE money for 2 years with an opt out for a pitcher. Then if he were to be injured, the Twins are saved for 6 years of paying an injured player.

On the flip side, if the pitcher does pitch well for 2 years, that is a good thing right?

 

Of those listed, Tillman and Pineda interest me some, as well as maybe Darvish. Could be interesting to see what happens.

They like one way opt outs.Not the kind where the team can nullify the contract.

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diehardtwinsfan
Mar 17 2017 07:11 AM

 

Yep.  The Twins are 3 or 4 starters away from competition STILL and there is no-one on the horizon yet that is even remotely close and has proven a thing.  I was really hoping that this season would be big year for May, but as it stands now having TJ at 27 his career is essentially over before it started IMO.  Hughes is a shadow of his former self.  Duffey and Gibson are train wrecks, Santiago is Nolasco light and Berrios can't handle major pitching.

 

We are NOWHERE near ready to go out and spend big on premium major league starters when we have nothing else to pair them with.  If anything they need to purge guys like Hughes, Mauer, Santiago, etc.  Guys who are not living up to expectations and are taking up large chunks of the payroll.  Clear some space so that in 2 years the club will have much greater flexibility to make meaningful moves and go after quality starters, possibly an ace to pair with some of the up and coming talent.  The only problem i see is that there aren't really that many guys on the way up besides Berrios, Gonsalves, and Romero.   

 

This is where I disagree.The hitting core is here now. You're right about the pitching in that there's way too many question marks and the likeliness of having a playoff caliber starting 5 to start the season in 2017 is low.But with the hitting core here, they will need to do something or they will squander it. I think it's safe to say that some guys will establish themselves in 2016. The question is how many. If we walk into next season saying Santana and pray for rain... well, yeah, time to spend. If on the other hand, Berrios, Mejia, and Gibson all have good season, then perhaps you don't need to.The truth will likely be somewhere in the middle, but getting one top shelf FA to fill out a negative WAR position in the rotation will likely pay huge dividends.

 

Also, plenty of pitchers have come back from TJ successfully.No reason to write off May just yet.

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This is where I disagree.The hitting core is here now. You're right about the pitching in that there's way too many question marks and the likeliness of having a playoff caliber starting 5 to start the season in 2017 is low.But with the hitting core here, they will need to do something or they will squander it. I think it's safe to say that some guys will establish themselves in 2016. The question is how many. If we walk into next season saying Santana and pray for rain... well, yeah, time to spend. If on the other hand, Berrios, Mejia, and Gibson all have good season, then perhaps you don't need to.The truth will likely be somewhere in the middle, but getting one top shelf FA to fill out a negative WAR position in the rotation will likely pay huge dividends.

 

Also, plenty of pitchers have come back from TJ successfully.No reason to write off May just yet.

 

It took me a while to edit my post. I agree with you on the hitting.  I'm still bummed out on the May deal.  Not a good sign when you put so much hope on one guy.  I absolutely do agree with not squandering the core of hitting talent we have now.  From the offensive perspective i think this team is close, it's just the darn pitching that's killing them right now.  We ALL really do need to pray for rain this season and hope that Berrios, Meija, Gonsalves continue to progress towards major league roles. This is a BIG BIG year to see what they have down there otherwise I think the FO will be forced to fork over a TON of money in desperation to get starters here sooner.

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Great teams don't have "Jason Tyner, DH" as a lineup feature.

I don't recall him being a DH much but sure they do.  Punto was a key player down the stretch in Cardinals Series run.  Tyner hit .312 in 2006 and .299 as a Twin.  Twins got swept by Oakland who they beat up on in the regular season with our Cy Young on the mound. They played the Yankees a lot who were the better team but they still lost games they had leads in with an all star reliever on the mound. Worse teams have won more in the playoffs  (87 Twins perhaps). We had enough talent to do a lot better.  

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nicksaviking
Mar 17 2017 07:40 AM

I don't like 30-year-old pitchers, there's nowhere to go but down. I'm also in the camp that spending on position players is a better move. If the team still can't develop their own arms, I'd rather trade for a young arm, even if it's a painful trade.

 

Or you know, the team could instead spend the money needed to make the team's scouting and development of pitchers the cream of the crop in the league. How much would it actually cost to steal other teams best scouts and minor league instructors? It's probably a pittance compared to what they'd pay for even a back of the rotation starter.

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Yep.  The Twins are 3 or 4 starters away from competition STILL and there is not much on the horizon that is remotely close and has proven a thing.  I was really hoping that this season would be big year for May, but as it stands now having TJ at 27....hard not to think that his career is essentially over after watching other guys taking  1 year and 1.5 years to come back.  Hughes is a shadow of his former self.  Duffey and Gibson are absolute train wrecks, Santiago is Nolasco light and Berrios can't handle major pitching.

 

Were do they go from there?  They are NOWHERE near ready to go out and spend big on premium major league starters when they have nothing else to pair it with.  If anything the new FO needs to purge guys like Hughes, Mauer, Santiago, Perkins, etc. over the next two years.  Guys who are not living up to expectations and are taking up large chunks of the payroll.  Clear some space so that in 2 years the club will have much greater flexibility to make meaningful moves and go after quality starters, to pair with some of the up and coming talent.  

 

The only hiccup is that there doesn't appear to be that many guys on the way up given how bad the team has been these past five years.  Who else is there besides Berrios, Gonsalves, Romero, Meija?.  Thorpe missed 2015 and 2016 with TJ surgery and a viral infection and is off the radar.  Kohl Stewart looks like a flop with the horrible K/9 rates.  Tyler Jay is struggling to convert to a starting role.  

 

Well hey there Mr. Negative. Let's get off the ledge ok?

May had a setback but Heezy was talking in another thread about how May's surgery is easier than other TJs (repair vs. replacement of the connection). TJ has become really common. Saying May's career is over is a bit ridiculous - he should be back next year so let's be excited for that.

 

Duffey may be better suited for the pen but he looks to be dominant there. So that's good.

 

Berrios is 22 years old. 22. He'll be fine, even though he struggled last year. Tons of pitchers (including a certain Johan Santana) struggle when they first come up. Position players too. No need to give up on Berrios. He may not be a #1 but he should be a nice little middle rotation pitcher.

 

Mejia looks like a solid back of the rotation lefty with some upside to become a #3 starter. That's good.

 

And the Twins do have guys like Hughes and Santana and Santiago leaving in the next year or two, just as they have a whole crop of young talent coming up. Stewart has struggled with the K/9 but he has the elite stuff and is very young for his advancement. Thorpe has had everything go wrong that can go wrong and is still only 21 and looking to attack A ball again. Tyler Jay is still stretching out but stuff-wise, he's been everything the Twins thought he could be when they drafted him. Romero is as good a prospect as anyone and looks to potentially be that #1 guy. Jorge is a nice back-of-the-rotation pitching prospect as well. Further down the ladder, the Twins have the #1 draft pick this year and Huscar Ynoa graduating rookie ball.

 

Not all of that will stick or make it of course and there is some concern about the lack of a dominant #1 but there's a lot of really fun pitching prospects working their way up the ladder. The Twins may not be amazing this year but if Santana, Hughes and Santiago can string together some good work, they become nice trade bait.

 

We don't need to go get Jake Arrieta but we also don't need to be negative. There's a new sheriff in town and he has both a plan and some nice horses to do the plan with. Let's keep on the bright side of life.

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Tom Froemming
Mar 17 2017 07:45 AM

 

Isn't Kershaw a free agent this offseason as well?

 

He can opt out following the 2018 season. Seems highly likely that he will, unless the Dodgers give him an extension. 

 

3-19 is not random. In fact, it's so one sided that it almost disproves a claim of randomness all on its own.
If it were just random, the expected result would be right around .500.

 

Sorry, as random in sports, not coin flipping. I never liked Billy Beane much but he's a pretty good baseball mind who talked about the randomness of baseball playoffs. The 87 Twins were a garbage team who went all the way cuz they got hot (Les freaking Straker was their #3 starter) while the 1991 Twins were objectively not as good as the 1991 Jays but beat them anyway.

 

In basketball, the best teams make it to the finals most years - you don't get a #6 seed going. Football is a bit more random with the sudden death format but again, the worst playoff teams don't have a chance (you could redo the 2016 NFL playoffs 100 times and the Raiders and Texans never make the Super Bowl). Baseball is a lot more random - better teams lose all the time and any team that makes it has the potential to go all the way. I'd say that hockey is more random since it seems like all you need is a hot goalie and you're capable of beating anyone.

 

The hitting core is here now. 

 

Oh man, disagree. The hitting core is on the verge but we'll only know after this year. If Buxton takes the step we all hope, Rosario rebounds, Sano rebounds, Kepler doesn't fall apart, Vargas shows it's for real etc., than we'll know it's here. And even then, you open a 5-7 year window with the hitting core. No need to panic and restrict your ability to sign guys like Buxton, Sano, Rosario or Kepler to longer deals by signing the huge contracts it would take to get elite pitching to come to a non-contending middle market like MN.

 

The Twins need to trust their young pitching prospects over the next two years while their hitting develops. It'd help to be able to trade Dozier/Hughes/Santana for more prospects during that period but they have the internal options to build a rotation that can consistently get them to the playoffs. 

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Brock Beauchamp
Mar 17 2017 07:56 AM

Not to be pedantic, but shouldn't it read "playoff berth"?

 

Pretty sure "playoff birth" isn't the correct terminology.

 

But, yes, I agree the Twins should start adding pieces next offseason. While I'm generally not a fan of $150m contracts to free agents, I'd be happy with the Twins picking up guys in the $50-90m range.

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3-19 is not random. In fact, it's so one sided that it almost disproves a claim of randomness all on its own.
If it were just random, the expected result would be right around .500.

I used to play a ton of cribbage on line and won 60% but would still have stretches where I would go 3-19 with some of them even against poor players. Sorry about the bragging  but the coin flip is close to 50/50 odds and randomness is what allows there to be wide variations in small sample results. Twins against the Yankees were less than 50/50 con flip but if they were to play another 22 games I would have been happy to take the chances.  In fact I am still a bit bitter about 2008 tie breaker loss.  KC was one out from their playoff record being 0-1 in 2014 instead of  11-4.  Twins getting hot was always a possibility. The fact that it didn't happen is no proof that it could not happen. Those Twins teams always did well really well in interleague and did just fine against the AL West. They were not as good as the AL East teams but still did even worse against them than the bad KC teams against them.  I never understood it.  More mental than physical.

 

I think refusing to compete for the best ML free agents is a mistake. No different than chosing not to pursue other talent, such as trades or int'l free agents. It's self limiting and short sighted.

 

But if everyone else is jumping off a cliff, we should too?
 

Signing 30 year old starting pitching to the 5-7 year contracts they get today is fraught with peril. The contracts almost never work out for the back half of the deal and often don't for the front. You only need to look at guys like Johan, Halladay, Sabathia, Zito, Shields, Cain, Lincecum, Hampton and even Verlander to see how those can become anchors holding a franchise back.

 

The Yankees can afford the back half of a Sabathia contract (though even in NYC it's tough) but the Twins need to be smart enough to know they can't do that. I don't call it "refusing to compete for the best ML free agents", I call it "being smart enough to avoid the mistakes that big franchises make."

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Tom Froemming
Mar 17 2017 08:06 AM

 

Not to be pedantic, but shouldn't it read "playoff berth"?

 

Pretty sure "playoff birth" isn't the correct terminology.

 

But, yes, I agree the Twins should start adding pieces next offseason. While I'm generally not a fan of $150m contracts to free agents, I'd be happy with the Twins picking up guys in the $50-90m range.

You are correct, sir. But I have no way of editing it :(

 

If all these guys actually hit the market next year, even if they all have great seasons I'd imagine somebody attractive would land into that $50-90M range just based off there being more supply than demand. Plus, it's possible some teams may look to "save" money next offseason in hopes of having the cash to throw at Harper, Machado or Kershaw after 2018 (assuming they all go to free agency that winter). 

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Brock Beauchamp
Mar 17 2017 08:38 AM

 

You are correct, sir. But I have no way of editing it :(

 

If all these guys actually hit the market next year, even if they all have great seasons I'd imagine somebody attractive would land into that $50-90M range just based off there being more supply than demand. Plus, it's possible some teams may look to "save" money next offseason in hopes of having the cash to throw at Harper, Machado or Kershaw after 2018 (assuming they all go to free agency that winter). 

No worries, fixed it for you. I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I was legitimately curious. I thought I was right but wasn't sure.

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Yup....this.  I'd spend some in FA, but not the drunken sailor spending that some want.

 

As the GM of the WS champion Cubs states, if you are rational about FAs, you won't sign FAs.

 

He was also the GM of the WS champion Red Sox.

 

He also signs FAs to big deals.

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Tom Froemming
Mar 17 2017 08:41 AM

 

You only need to look at guys like Johan, Halladay, Sabathia, Zito, Shields, Cain, Lincecum, Hampton and even Verlander to see how those can become anchors holding a franchise back.

Yeah, those Zito, Cain and Lincecum deals really crippled that Giants franchise. They've had such a terrible run over the past decade :) Also, Verlander doesn't deserve to be lumped into that group. He had one bad year. Sabathia on his first deal was great, he gave the Yankees four excellent seasons. 

 

I get what you're saying, but there's crazy variance/injury risk for all starting pitchers.

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The Cubs were a totally different team. They had a braintrust that had spent those past three years (not three months, three YEARS) specifically accumulating position player talent (including the ballsy-at-the-time drafting of Schwarber, a guy without a position who could hit like hell). They knew they had a market that could support 2-3 long contracts on free agent starting pitchers so they explicitly eschewed drafting pitching (the most volatile of stocks) to draft projectable position players. Arrieta was a gamble that extended their window and made their current budget less stretched but they were a team that planned on buying pitching at some point. Very little of their pitching is homegrown, it's a benefit for being in a big market,

 

That's just not the Twins. They're a different market of team with very different priorities. Let's recognize the stratum of MLB franchises -- the Cubs are closer to the Yankees than they are to the Twins. Ugh.

 

so just give up on one of the ways to acquire talent, and admit you are can't really compete?

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Great teams don't have "Jason Tyner, DH" as a lineup feature.

 

Teams that spend on FA to fill that "one last hole" don't have Jason Tyner, DH, either. 

 

But if everyone else is jumping off a cliff, we should too?
 

Signing 30 year old starting pitching to the 5-7 year contracts they get today is fraught with peril. The contracts almost never work out for the back half of the deal and often don't for the front. You only need to look at guys like Johan, Halladay, Sabathia, Zito, Shields, Cain, Lincecum, Hampton and even Verlander to see how those can become anchors holding a franchise back.

 

The Yankees can afford the back half of a Sabathia contract (though even in NYC it's tough) but the Twins need to be smart enough to know they can't do that. I don't call it "refusing to compete for the best ML free agents", I call it "being smart enough to avoid the mistakes that big franchises make."

 

How is not signing FAs working out for this team, exactly? Which teams are actually winning more games? 

 

Of course the contracts almost never work out over the entire length, that's the cost of being in the game of MLB or NFL or NHL or NBA. If you aren't willing to pay that price, you'll pretty much never sign a big FA, meaning you are at a huge disadvantage. 

 

Look, if you want to own a major league sports team, and you aren't willing to sign big time FAs? Maybe you shouldn't own a major league sports team. Of, you should just admit you are never going to be good over a sustained period, and you'll never likely buy that one missing piece. 

 

If that's your strategy, then you have to be one of the best at acquiring and developing talent. Does anyone think the Twins are significantly above average at either of those?

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I would say trade for Quintana and sign one of the pitchers and our rotation should be good.

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