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Twins Interested In Reds Closer Raisel Iglesias

It’s no secret that the Twins bullpen was a weakness in 2017. With a largely unproven group of arms, Minnesota fans were left pulling their hair out in late-inning situations. There is no doubt the Twins will be looking for some upgrades this offseason as the club looks to build off of their 2017 success.

Could the Reds have a piece the Twins are interested in acquiring? Do the Twins have what it would take to bring in one of baseball’s best relief arms?
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MLB Networks’ Jon Morosi reports that the Twins have checked in with the Reds about a potential deal for closer Raisel Iglesias. In his first full season as a relief pitcher, Iglesias posted a 2.49 ERA with a 10.89 K/9 and a 3.41 K/BB. His fastball hits in the mid-90s and his slider helped to generate a 13.9% swinging strike rate.

One of the benefits of Iglesias is that he is not a rental part. He is under control through 2021 so the Reds can demand a high price. His seven-year, $27 million deal gives him the right to opt out at any point when he qualifies for arbitration. This could mean a larger pay-day if he continues to pile up strong numbers. He would be a Super Two player following the 2020 season.

Iglesias isn’t the only option for the Twins. According to KSTP’s Darren Wolfson, the Twins are calling on a number of guys. Minnesota’s farm system ranks in the middle of the pack since so many top tier prospects have made their debuts in recent years. This could make it hard to package a deal for Iglesias. Last summer, the Reds listened to offers for Iglesias but they were looking for a package that would “blow them away.”

Minnesota has also expressed interest in bringing back former closer Brandon Kintzler. Over the past two seasons, Kintzler recorded 45 saves on the way to being named a 2017 AL All-Star. Kintzler was traded to the Nationals last season and they have also expressed interest in re-signing him.

Do the Twins want to send multiple top prospects to the Reds for one of baseball’s best relief pitchers? Should the club look to the free agent market for players like Kintzler? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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The fact they are targeting relievers in trade may mean they like starters better in free agency.

 

There's no question they are valuable, but let's also consider that better starters leads to less stress on the pen. That shut down reliever won't be needed quite as much.

 

Personally, if they want a shut down reliever, go get Wade Davis or one of the other top tier relievers. They don't cost prospects. If Davrish/Lynn doesn't excite Falvine, then they can use those prospects to get your man-crush out of Pittsburg or Archer out of Tampa.

 

We have a decent system, but I figure they have the prospects to make one big splash without hurting the future. I'd rather that go for someone that isn't as easily found in FA.

 

Agreed. On paper it looks like there are more shut-down relievers in FA than impact SP. And, given that there's enough high end prospects in the system to make one blockbuster type trade, I'd go with my man crush Cole, or Archer.

 

The FO knows more than us whether it's truly realistic to trade for Archer or Cole.... For now, it appears they're exploring all options, so I can't complain so far. 

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tarheeltwinsfan
Nov 13 2017 03:11 PM

Relief is just a swallow away. The Twins should sign a free agent named Speedy, who has been out of work for a while now. He specializes in Fast Relief. His fastball is effervescent.

 

I don't know what Cincy is looking for in return. But Gonsalves, Kirilloff, Rooker are untouchables for me. I'm not giving up the pitcher with the best chance to be an Ace type pitcher, or the OF with the highest potential for both power and average, or the guy that has the most power potential in the minor league system. Due to the depth at SS (Lewis, Palacios, Javier) in the minors I would consider Nick Gordon. It would still be a hard pill to swallow. I suppose you'd have to add some pieces like Brusdar Graterol and John Curtiss to get the job done.Inglesias would look good at the back end of the Twins bullpen. And bringing Kintzler back to the fold would sure make our 8th and 9th innings look strong.

 

I'd barf all over my keyboard if they gave up Gonsalves, Kiriloff and Rooker for Iglesias.If your gonna give up multiple top 100 prospects like that go after a top of the rotation starter instead, anything else....NOPE

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OldManWinter
Nov 13 2017 07:29 PM
A team should be very cautious about trading the brightest prospects. They are too hard to find and replace.

Teams deal from positions of strength, but too often they are only an injury or a bad year from someone to suddenly have a weakness.

Nick Gordon for Iglesias straight up seems fair. I'd make that trade.

id do that deal too. I doubt cincy will
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It would take Gordon plus a good pitcher I would think.
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Deduno Abides
Nov 13 2017 08:25 PM
Craig Kimbrel is great, but it’s generally considered that Dave Dombrowski overpaid for him. Iglesias is not as good as Kimbrel, but the compensation being discussed seems at least equivalent to what San Diego got from the Red Sox for Kimbrel. That doesn’t make sense. Also, the Twins should ask themselves whether Romero could become Iglesias in the near future.
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 Also, the Twins should ask themselves whether Romero could become Iglesias in the near future.

That's a really good point.

I could see the Twins trading for him if it is one quality position prospect with couple of low a to rookie league pitching prospects thrown in for hime or like some have been saying trading away dollars on international signing for some other prospect that cin would covet. But if we start talking several of top prospects than i think were way over paying should look else where for help.

Interesting idea on Iglesias. I know some want better starting pitching, but I think more and more teams are taking a different approach just because shutdown starting pitching is so tough to come by. KC kind of showed the blueprint two years ago and I think the Yankees are also taking this approach...they look to their starting pitching for 5-6 innings and just don't want to get blown up. After that, they bring in shutdown reliever after shutdown reliever and effectively shorten the game for the other team (basically, they have 5-6 innings to score). They win innings 6-8. I really think you are going to see more and more teams take this approach.

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I've been interested in, and a supporter of, unconventional approaches to managing a pitching staff.

For example, with a mountain of data out there demonstrating that pitchers generally get worse the second and third time through the order, why do managers allow pitchers to throw to the same batter twice?

"Bullpen games" all the time make a lot of sense to me. There are obviously exceptions like Kershaw and Kluber that you may be able to statistically justify running out there multiple times. But, outside of that, it seems to me that you'll get more outs (higher out to batters faced ratio) by using pitchers more often with fewer innings in a "start,". But, maybe my logic is all wrong.
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No way do I send anything to help the Yankees unless top pitching prospects are involved.


I concur. But, they have what we want: young pitching. And we have what they might need: international singing money. I agree this would be a “ hold your nose” deal, but the Great Satan does have some nice pieces.

 

Craig Kimbrel is great, but it’s generally considered that Dave Dombrowski overpaid for him. Iglesias is not as good as Kimbrel, but the compensation being discussed seems at least equivalent to what San Diego got from the Red Sox for Kimbrel. That doesn’t make sense. Also, the Twins should ask themselves whether Romero could become Iglesias in the near future.

They gave up a defensive CF blocked by an All Star, a potentially good SS, a mediocre 2b and a lotery ticket.Maybe in a few years it will look bad, depends on how long Kimbrell plays for the Sox and if they get a ring.

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I one thing the Twins have that the Yankees want is (are) international signing dollars for the Great Otani Sweepstakes. I could see $1 or $1.5 million moving. Of course this would mean trading to The Great Satan.

 Adama, Sheffield and Acevado for the pool money. Maybe make them throw in Guzman.

 

Nick Gordon for Iglesias straight up seems fair. I'd make that trade.

Agreed, but I think they'd probably want something at least a bit more.

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Deduno Abides
Nov 14 2017 08:48 AM

They gave up a defensive CF blocked by an All Star, a potentially good SS, a mediocre 2b and a lotery ticket.Maybe in a few years it will look bad, depends on how long Kimbrell plays for the Sox and if they get a ring.


Ok, but that’s the point - even with the outcomes you mention, it was considered an overpay and the discussions about Iglesias, a lesser pitcher, have the Twins paying more.

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I've been interested in, and a supporter of, unconventional approaches to managing a pitching staff.

For example, with a mountain of data out there demonstrating that pitchers generally get worse the second and third time through the order, why do managers allow pitchers to throw to the same batter twice?

"Bullpen games" all the time make a lot of sense to me. There are obviously exceptions like Kershaw and Kluber that you may be able to statistically justify running out there multiple times. But, outside of that, it seems to me that you'll get more outs (higher out to batters faced ratio) by using pitchers more often with fewer innings in a "start,". But, maybe my logic is all wrong.


This is a great approach for the post season, but I don't think it would be sustainable over a 162 game schedule.

 

Ok, but that’s the point - even with the outcomes you mention, it was considered an overpay and the discussions about Iglesias, a lesser pitcher, have the Twins paying more.

Compared to the Chapman and Miller trades it was not an overpay.Maybe the Giles trade because people were slow to accept that Appel was a raisin. You are right that Raisel is no Kimbrel, or Miller or Chapman.The trade to look at is Davis for Soler. The unfortunate part for the Twins is that the Reds are likely to think that the return should be like the former, not the later.Over valuing you player is not new, see Brad Hand still being a Padre.Just Gordon would be an underpay, a couple of low ranked prospects thrown in would be the norm. Graterol has too high of ceiling but is also so far away that I doubt that he wold be considered. A third piece would be of the low minors, but not as high of a ceiling

 

 

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That's a really good point.

Why not have both?

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Deduno Abides
Nov 14 2017 02:15 PM

Compared to the Chapman and Miller trades it was not an overpay.Maybe the Giles trade because people were slow to accept that Appel was a raisin. You are right that Raisel is no Kimbrel, or Miller or Chapman.The trade to look at is Davis for Soler. The unfortunate part for the Twins is that the Reds are likely to think that the return should be like the former, not the later.Over valuing you player is not new, see Brad Hand still being a Padre.Just Gordon would be an underpay, a couple of low ranked prospects thrown in would be the norm. Graterol has too high of ceiling but is also so far away that I doubt that he wold be considered. A third piece would be of the low minors, but not as high of a ceiling


Good points, but mid-season trades for the final piece are often more expensive.

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