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Twins Game Recap (9/18): Twins’ Offense Absent Against Chicago Bullpen Game

After a 12 inning game and the White Sox using a bullpen game, it looked like the Twins’ offense would have some fun at the plate tonight. It was the complete opposite as the offense was no-hit through 5 1/3 innings, and got just three hits total. Despite giving up a lot of leadoff hits, Odorizzi managed to keep the Twins in the game as the Twins dropped the series finale.
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Box Score
Odorizzi: 5.2 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 9 K, 64.5% strikes (61 of 94 pitches)
Bullpen: 3.1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K

Home Runs: None
Multi-Hit Games: Rosario (2-4, 2B)

Bottom 3 WPA: Arraez -.111, Wade -.127, Sano -.207

Twins’ offense can’t figure out Chicago bullpen

The Twins’ offense found themselves struggling against one of the worst bullpens in the league. For 5 1/3 innings, four White Sox pitchers threw a no-hitter while allowing three walks. They had a threat in the first after back-to-back walks with one out, but, a Rosario pop out followed by a Sano strikeout ended the inning.

After a leadoff walk in the second, the White Sox bullpen sent down 13 straight batters going into the sixth inning. That’s when the no-hitter came to a close as Polanco ripped a single into center field. After a Cruz walk, Rosario squeaked a ball through the infield to score Polanco.



Cave drew a walk to fill the bases with two outs for pinch-hitter LaMonte Wade Jr. but he grounded out to end the inning.

After picking up their first hits, the Twins’ couldn’t use the momentum and went down 1-2-3 in the seventh. In the eighth, Rosario drilled a ball off the wall in right, but got thrown out trying extend it to a triple. In the ninth, the Twins again went down 1-2-3 to close out the game.

Odorizzi able to minimize damage

Jake Odorizzi was one out away from picking up a quality start, but ran into trouble in the sixth to end his night. Though Odorizzi picked up nine strikeouts tonight, his stuff wasn’t the best. Odorizzi gave up a leadoff hit in four of the six innings he pitched in.

After giving up a leadoff single in the first, he picked up two strikeouts with Castro throwing out Garcia to end the inning. In the second he gave up a leadoff double followed by a Jimenez single to score a run, but Odorizzi picked up another double play and strikeout to get out of the inning.

Odorizzi flew through the next two innings picking up four more strikeouts in back-to-back 1-2-3 innings. Through those four innings, Odorizzi already had seven strikeouts.

Odorizzi found himself in a jam in the fifth inning with runners on first and second with just one out after a pair of singles. Odorizzi took advantage of facing the number eight and nine batters next, picked up another strikeout and was out of the inning with no harm.

After giving up another leadoff hit, Odorizzi got two quick outs and it looked as if he would be able to at least complete six innings. With an 0-2 count to Moncada, he doubled to left-center to drive in the second run. After Jimenez drew a walk, Odorizzi’s night was ended.

Bullpen

Cody Stashak came into the game with two runners on and two outs and threw just three pitches to pick up a huge strikeout on Collins to end the inning. Stashak was also given the seventh inning, and he too gave up a leadoff single. He picked up back-to-back strikeouts to the eight and nine batters and then got Garcia to fly out to end the inning.

Fernando Romero came in for the eighth, and believe it or not, gave up another leadoff hit. He got Abreu to ground out and struck out Moncada before being pulled for Brusdar Graterol. Graterol did his job, and got Jimenez to ground out to keep it a one-run game.

A new inning, another leadoff hit, this time it was a home run to Collins to straight -away center. Graterol followed that up with nine pitches to pick up the last three outs, including a strikeout.

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 07:34 AM

 

It definitely should have, but he played little to no outfield in the minors and it's hard to blame the kid. I'm sure it's something they work with him on in the offseason, but I doubt we see him out there too often.

 

They should work on him in the offseason though. If he doesn't hit .350 going forward, he may get pushed out of the infield and into a utility role. His metrics at 2B are below average and pretty awful at SS and 3B. Being able to play a decent LF would help his career longevity. 

 

Of course he could make that a moot point by continuing to hit .350 or developing pop.

 

But agreed that he's not an OF and its because Buxton/Kepler are injured that he's even out there. Jake Cave is not a competent CFer either.

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The Cleveland/Philly series starting Friday should be fun to watch.As of now Cleveland Wild Card elimination number is 10 and Phillies is 9. Two teams desperately needing every win.

 

Washington has lost ground in their bid to secure the 1st wildcard spot.Potentially setting up another important series when Cleveland travels there.

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 07:39 AM

 

 

 

Did Rosario admire his double a bit too long out of the box? I get the sense that he did, watching it, but I don't want to let my assumptions get the better of me. If he runs hard right away, he gets to third just fine.

 

Yes he did. He stood at home plate no less than 2-3 seconds watching a fly ball that was nowhere near a no doubter. I feel pretty confident that if he runs out of the box immediately, he's into third easily despite the great throw. It's easy to say that it didn't matter because we gave up another run the next inning, but it gave the momentum away when we really only had it for a few seconds.

 

You need to watch the replay. He didn't stand at home for 2-3 seconds admiring his shot. He certainly didn't sprint out of the box (and he should) but he was moving up the line almost immediately.

 

It is true that if he sprints, he ends up on 3rd. But I don't think you need to rip him for it. Rosario seems like the kind of guy where being caught at 3rd is enough to reinforce that lesson anyways. 

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Graterol sure seems easy to hit. Doesn't seem the heat has enough movement. Plus, were is the 100mph stuff we heard about? Has he just dropped some velocity since the minor league innings?




MLB Gamecast last night was calling Graterol’s FB a sinker because of the movement. When he gave up the homer, his pitch sequence was

98.2 sinker, fouled off
98.9 sinker, fouled off
91.9 Changeup, Homerun Now, if the Foul offs were late, the batter (I believe Collins) caught up to the Changeup and clobbered it. 2 things: I blame Castro for calling that pitch. Graterol had the hitter on the ropes. Should have finished him off with that nasty slider of his of which he was hitting 89 to 90. Second, Graterol this off season will need to work on his Changeup


The next batter, Gamecast clocked one of his Sinker/FB at 100


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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 07:52 AM

 

In today's game, 100 mph doesn't make anyone unhittable. There are far too many guys that hit 98+ on a regular basis. I'm still not sure that Gratoral should be on the prospective postseason roster. 

 

1.) It's super weird watching him. Sometimes there seems to be a ton of movement and other times he's straight as an arrow and you're right, guys can catch up to that.

 

2.) More and more I think that Graterol is going to be more of an end-of-year guy if he's a starter next year. That inconsistency is not weird for a young guy. I'd like to see him get that shot, even if it hurts next year's team a bit. If he can get movement on that pitch, he can be a front end starter.

 

3.) Depends how many pitchers the Twins take. Injuries to Adrianza and Buxton might mean the Twins only take 12 position players. The regular nine with Gonzo replacing Buck, Schoop, Castro, and Cave. I just don't see much point in a Torreys or Miller or Wade and though Astudillo is a fun story, he hasn't hit well this year and a 3rd catcher seems pretty useless in the division series. That would leave 13 spots available for pitchers. Berrios, Odo, Perez, Gibby, Rogers, Romo, Littel, Duffey, and May seem given for nine. Thorpe and Smeltzer have earned it for 11. So you're looking at Dobnak, Stashak, and Graterol for two spots. I like all three but Graterol might be the wild card in there and has the most upside. I'd bet on Dobnak and Graterol?

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 07:58 AM

 

Agreed Chief, I have another.  I Don't want Cruz to get hurt, but he seemed to not go hard to 2nd on Rosie's soft base hit, that took a while for the RFer to get there.  I think he has 3rd standing up if he's running hard.

 

I just watched the replay and he seemed to be running about as fast as he does. The RF got to that ball quickly. That said, it is Daniel Palka. I (and a quick Google search) don't associate him with a strong arm. Probably a pretty close play at third.

 

Also worth noting that the ball was almost caught by a diving 2B. Cruz likely was running straight to 2B to take away a force and couldn't take that slight parabolic path to third you can take on a sure hit. That might explain it?

 

You need to watch the replay. He didn't stand at home for 2-3 seconds admiring his shot. He certainly didn't sprint out of the box (and he should) but he was moving up the line almost immediately.

 

It is true that if he sprints, he ends up on 3rd. But I don't think you need to rip him for it. Rosario seems like the kind of guy where being caught at 3rd is enough to reinforce that lesson anyways. 

Rosario got thrown out at third, with 2 out, in a one run game. 

 

It's inexcusable, and that's ignoring the fact he sat at home plate admiring his "shot."  

 

Bad play is bad play, and it's ok to point it out.

 

 

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Seems to be little love for Astudillo on these boards. We can't just look at him as a '3rd catcher'...he is a valuable replacement almost anywhere...unlike Castro, who is only a catcher and right now someone who can't hit a lick. With Garver probably getting the call every game in a 5 game series, who is more valuable as an 'extra'? Someone who can still catch, AND play other positions AND who rarely strikes out...or someone who is uni-dimensional and who has become an automatic out (with a ton of k's). While Castro defensively is decent, is he REALLY that superior to Astudillo behind the plate, as to make a huge difference?

Astudillo is more than a fun story....he is a valuable utility player and IMO much more useful in a short series than the slumping Castro. I also think he is more valuable than Cave, who has also reverted back to not hitting.

Just my opinions of course.

 

Seems to be little love for Astudillo on these boards. We can't just look at him as a '3rd catcher'...he is a valuable replacement almost anywhere...unlike Castro, who is only a catcher and right now someone who can't hit a lick. With Garver probably getting the call every game in a 5 game series, who is more valuable as an 'extra'? Someone who can still catch, AND play other positions AND who rarely strikes out...or someone who is uni-dimensional and who has become an automatic out (with a ton of k's). While Castro defensively is decent, is he REALLY that superior to Astudillo behind the plate, as to make a huge difference?

Astudillo is more than a fun story....he is a valuable utility player and IMO much more useful in a short series than the slumping Castro. I also think he is more valuable than Cave, who has also reverted back to not hitting.

Just my opinions of course.

The slumping Castro has an OPS over 100 pts higher than Astudillo.

 

He isn't even a fun story anymore.

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You need to watch the replay. He didn't stand at home for 2-3 seconds admiring his shot. He certainly didn't sprint out of the box (and he should) but he was moving up the line almost immediately.

It is true that if he sprints, he ends up on 3rd. But I don't think you need to rip him for it. Rosario seems like the kind of guy where being caught at 3rd is enough to reinforce that lesson anyways.


What I've read on other sites is that he did stand around and admire it.....
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stringer bell
Sep 19 2019 08:10 AM

Neither one of those guys is hitting much right now. I prefer Castro to the Turtle as the second catcher. It would be nice if some of the guys who are scuffling (Cron, Castro and to some extent Cruz and Cave) picked it up in the last 10 days. Combine that with getting Adrianza, Cron and Kepler healthy and the Twins have a very nice offense.

 

 

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More sloppy baseball which seems to be frequent. I really hope Rocco is addressing this behind the scenes. This about the tenth time this year that we got thrown out because “of a perfect throw”. There is no excuse for Rosario on that play. You stop at second-going to third gains you practically nothing. Plus Sano was on deck
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1.) Even if the Clevelanders go 10-0 the rest of the way, the Twins win going 7-3 against the Royals and Tigers. If Cleveland goes 8-2 (still hard given the Nationals will care and the Phillies are a decent team), the Twins need to go 5-5. Its not arrogant, its smart to sit guys who are banged up.

 

2.) The pitching has been bad? No way, they've been pretty solid. Odo and Berrios looked really good. The pen looks to be solid too. They dominated in Cleveland and the guys who have been hit this series have been regression to the mean (May) or not likely to be on the playoff team but pitching because its the 12th (Harper). Perez hasn't even been that bad. Will we be confident in the playoffs with him? No. Is he capable of shutting down a team on a given day? Yeah. Buy some antacids Twins fans.

 

3.) That's harsh on Rosario. After the game, Rosie said he didn't see the CF coming over. That's a split second decision made by a runner coming around second on a play that he can't fully see because he already turned second. Not all CFers come over to right at such a shallow angle on that, its more typical that they would be back at the fence too. The ball came off the wall right back to a guy running the opposite way as the throw. And it still took a perfect throw. Its not ideal to get the third out at third but I think in this situation, it's not that bad of a call. Rosario is an aggressive player and that has helped and hurt the Twins. This one isn't particularly boneheaded - equal parts unlucky and overly aggressive. I don't mind the latter in a game where the Twins needed a bit of a spark after being shut down the first five innings.

I respectfully disagree. You ALWAYS make sure to clinch before sitting anyone. Disasters are the name of the game in baseball. Almost every year, something really crazy happens. 2006, for example! It looked for all the world that nothing could stop the Twins that year. Out of absolutely nowhere, the A's swept us in the divisional series. Then, if we thought it couldn't get any crazier, the Tigers, who we had just defeated for the division title, sweep the A's. The Royals could easily do big time damage against the Twins these last 7 games against us. It is a real possibility. I sincerely hope that Baldelli is not going to rest any players. We need them more than ever right now. 

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 09:29 AM

 

What I've read on other sites is that he did stand around and admire it.....

 

Go watch it on MLB.com. He didn't sprint out of the box but he was getting moving right away. This wasn't a 2-3 second stand around. By the time it landed he was around first.

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 09:38 AM

 

 

Seems to be little love for Astudillo on these boards. We can't just look at him as a '3rd catcher'...he is a valuable replacement almost anywhere...unlike Castro, who is only a catcher and right now someone who can't hit a lick. With Garver probably getting the call every game in a 5 game series, who is more valuable as an 'extra'? Someone who can still catch, AND play other positions AND who rarely strikes out...or someone who is uni-dimensional and who has become an automatic out (with a ton of k's). While Castro defensively is decent, is he REALLY that superior to Astudillo behind the plate, as to make a huge difference?

Astudillo is more than a fun story....he is a valuable utility player and IMO much more useful in a short series than the slumping Castro. I also think he is more valuable than Cave, who has also reverted back to not hitting.

Just my opinions of course.

 

Astudillo is having a terrible year. 170 ABs and a 72 OPS+. Even with last year's hotness he's at a career 95 OPS+. Both of those are okay for a backup catcher but that's not a guy to write home about. The eye test confirms it. Pitchers have figured out he'll chase and so they're throwing him stuff off the plate so he'll make weak contact. He has yet to respond to the league's book on him.

 

Defensively, he looks erratic behind the plate. The throws behind runners are exciting but there's a lot of danger there too. Castro seems a bit better but not significantly so. I'd be fine letting Castro go this offseason and making Astudillo the backup but for now, Castro is a better player, especially since I expect Garver to start most if not all playoff games.

 

Astudillo does have some positional flexibility but he's not particularly good anywhere. Playoffs before the WS are not as much about playing bench players and the Twins don't have a lot of guys you'd pinch hit for in the lineup (maybe Schoop/Arraez based on handedness?) So that's not so useful, especially since Gonzalez can play just about anywhere.

 

Cave is a better option because he's actually an OF. The Twins will need four of those in case of injury. Arraez/Astudillo are not good options for a playoff game. In fact, you may see Wade instead of a 13th pitcher if they want 5 OF and a pinch runner for Sano/Cruz.

 

Astudillo has a future with the Twins as a bridge to Rortvedt/Jeffers but he has no business on a playoff roster. He can still be on the bench and be a teammate.

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 09:42 AM

 

Rosario got thrown out at third, with 2 out, in a one run game. 

 

It's inexcusable, and that's ignoring the fact he sat at home plate admiring his "shot."  

 

Bad play is bad play, and it's ok to point it out.

 

That's the kind of axiomatic thinking that baseball is moving away from. I see it as more of a guideline than a hard-and-fast rule. Getting to third has some value, especially with a catcher who already had a PB and a young inexperienced White Sox bullpen that threw a lot of innings yesterday. The play was close, there was some luck involved, and if we take Rosario at his word, he understandably missed the CF coming way over into RF to back up that play. I'm not saying it was a good play but I don't think it's some boneheaded play that he should get chewed out for (as several posters have indicated).

 

Go watch the replay. That's not admiring. He didn't bolt out of the box but he finished his backswing and got moving to first. I'd like to see that pause gone too but that's modern baseball. Many/most players do it. He was motoring to get to 3rd on that in the first place.

 

Yes, it is a loss and keeps the magic number at 7. The Twins struck out only 5 times in the game and drew 5 walks. Chicago struck out 14 times and drew one walk. From those stats, who do you think wins the game? Chicago's BABIP was 9-20, while the Twins were 3-24. One of those games. 

 

This. every fly ball the twins hit were well in an OF's range. the line drives seemed to go right to someone. Sometimes you don't find the holes.

 

Odorizzi looked good, his control was where it needed to be and he was working effectively up in the zone and finishing guys off. Sure, the ChiSox ain't the '27 Yankees, but they're also not Det or Mia

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 09:45 AM

 

I respectfully disagree. You ALWAYS make sure to clinch before sitting anyone. Disasters are the name of the game in baseball. Almost every year, something really crazy happens. 2006, for example! It looked for all the world that nothing could stop the Twins that year. Out of absolutely nowhere, the A's swept us in the divisional series. Then, if we thought it couldn't get any crazier, the Tigers, who we had just defeated for the division title, sweep the A's. The Royals could easily do big time damage against the Twins these last 7 games against us. It is a real possibility. I sincerely hope that Baldelli is not going to rest any players. We need them more than ever right now. 

 

I agree not to sit players who are uninjured any more than you would normally (and perhaps less since clinching early means you can rest more). But Kepler was banged up, Gonzo is fresh off injury, Polanco has been battling several injuries, and Cruz has wrist issues that won't get better without surgery. Those guys will be key to any playoff game so I think you can game theory this and get some guys some days off.

 

I do hope Game 3 of Cleveland was an aberration and we won't see everyone sitting. That was the day after a tense doubleheader so I'd like to think it was. But sitting Kep a few games to get healthy and cycling Rosario, Cruz, Polanco, and Cron in and off the bench seems wise.

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Only Here in Negative
Sep 19 2019 09:48 AM

 

The slumping Castro has an OPS over 100 pts higher than Astudillo.

 

He isn't even a fun story anymore.

 

If Castro was amendable to a one year deal for say $8 million, would you take him over Astudillo next year? Or go find a veteran catcher for somewhere between Astudillo and Castro's cost? I lean Astudillo but that leaves you thin if Garver gets hurt.

 

I'm excited about Rortvedt and Jeffers and think they're potentially up late next year or 2021. So its a short term play but one of the few interesting Twins offseason things with position players.

 

If Castro was amendable to a one year deal for say $8 million, would you take him over Astudillo next year? Or go find a veteran catcher for somewhere between Astudillo and Castro's cost? I lean Astudillo but that leaves you thin if Garver gets hurt.

 

I'm excited about Rortvedt and Jeffers and think they're potentially up late next year or 2021. So its a short term play but one of the few interesting Twins offseason things with position players.

No way. $8 million is what we paid him on his current contract to be the starter. The gap between him and Astudillo isn't big. And Astudillo will work for minimum salary. That $8 million is best used elsewhere. Stash a "Magic Fingers" Bobby Wilson type in AAA to be safe. (But not actual Bobby Wilson please.)

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twinsnorth49
Sep 19 2019 10:56 AM

In today's game, 100 mph doesn't make anyone unhittable. There are far too many guys that hit 98+ on a regular basis. I'm still not sure that Gratoral should be on the prospective postseason roster.

Neither am I, velocity is still king but only if you can combine it with movement, location and effective change of speeds. All of those obviously make the best MLB pitchers but having at least two of them when you throw 100 will make you awfully effective.

Not sure Graterol can combine any of them consistently enough yet, he’s close though.
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That's the kind of axiomatic thinking that baseball is moving away from. I see it as more of a guideline than a hard-and-fast rule. Getting to third has some value, especially with a catcher who already had a PB and a young inexperienced White Sox bullpen that threw a lot of innings yesterday. The play was close, there was some luck involved, and if we take Rosario at his word, he understandably missed the CF coming way over into RF to back up that play. I'm not saying it was a good play but I don't think it's some boneheaded play that he should get chewed out for (as several posters have indicated).

 

Go watch the replay. That's not admiring. He didn't bolt out of the box but he finished his backswing and got moving to first. I'd like to see that pause gone too but that's modern baseball. Many/most players do it. He was motoring to get to 3rd on that in the first place.

Not admiring?

 

 

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Beat me to the link!

 

On the White Sox broadcast, Steve Stone raked him over the coals for it too, and he's right. That lack of hustle coming out of the box is what produced an out instead of a triple.

 

And the line about not seeing the CF coming over is BS. The play is behind him, so he should be picking up his 3B coach to tell him what's going on.

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SpicyGarvSauce
Sep 19 2019 11:09 AM

That was a frustrating game/series IMO - offense was stagnant, which was a bit frustrating. As well as what seemed to be every White Sox leadoff hitter getting on base in every darn inning. Also - if not for the White Sox ineptitude in that 2nd game, the Twins lose 2 of 3 instead of winning 2 of 3.

 

Beat me to the link!

 

On the White Sox broadcast, Steve Stone raked him over the coals for it too, and he's right. That lack of hustle coming out of the box is what produced an out instead of a triple.

 

And the line about not seeing the CF coming over is BS. The play is behind him, so he should be picking up his 3B coach to tell him what's going on.

Right. For me it wasn't him trying for 3rd ... he could have made it if he hustled out of the box. He also might have made it had it not been a perfect play on the ball and throw to third.

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