Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

The Forums

Exhibition Game Thread: Twins vs Gophers (2/21 @ 5:05pm CT)

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 01:22 AM
I know, it's a day early... and maybe someone else is already assigned to the game thread... But Do Hyoung Park just posted the lineup fo...
Full topic ›

fangraphs and other national, non-local articles about th...

Minnesota Twins Talk Yesterday, 11:51 PM
Can't find the old thread on this but it's probably time for a new one anyway. Fangraphs just published their playoff odds - https:...
Full topic ›

Astros Being Investigated for Using Tech to Steal Pitchin...

Other Baseball Yesterday, 07:21 PM
I can no longer say I want the Twins to emulate the Astros. Bush league maneuver to use cameras in order to steal signs.
Full topic ›

Mike Clevinger Has Surgery for partially torn meniscus.

Other Baseball Yesterday, 05:00 PM
Usually this is a 4-6 week recovery. He will be out for the first Twins-Indians series, given that he will have to play rehab games to ma...
Full topic ›

KARE11: Andrea Hayden first female strength and condition...

Minnesota Twins Talk Yesterday, 03:36 PM
https://www.kare11.c...93-ff73491ad7e6   Andrea Hayden was hired this year as the assistant strength and conditioning coach for the...
Full topic ›

Twins Daily Roundtable: Sell, Sell, Sell?

Twins Daily Roundtable is a weekly series. As part of this series, a question will be posed to the site’s writers and they will respond in 200 words or less (Some writers don’t like to stick to this limit). This will give readers an opportunity to see multiple points of view and then add their own point of view in the comments section.

July is only days away. This means the non-waiver trade deadline will quickly be approaching. It’s time to separate the contenders from the pretenders. Unfortunately (or fortunately), the American League Central has been full of poor play this season. The Indians, Twins and Tigers are separated by less than 10 games and there is plenty of baseball left to be played so….

This week’s roundtable discussion question is: “With a little over a month until the trade deadline, should the Twins be buyers or sellers?”
Image courtesy of Brad Rempel-USA TODAY Sports
John Bonnes
Neither. They ARE neither. Because in order to be a buyer or a seller, there needs to be a marketplace. There isn’t.

You’re anxious to turn the page on this season. I get it. Believe me, as someone who follows the team obsessively, runs a Twins web site and talks weekly on a Twins podcast, it’s been a frustrating three months. But declaring the season is over provides no practical value. It just makes us feel a little less personally invested in the year.

Maybe, in three weeks, when the All-Star break is over, a marketplace will exist, and the Twins will need to choose. If their struggles continue, they’ll be sellers. But even then, don’t expect a cornucopia of prospects to be coming their way. They don’t have any of the premier veterans on the market, so they’re likely to get premier prospects in return.

Until then, like it or not, this year is a competitive window for this franchise. I’d encourage you to personally invest another month in this team. I assure you that the management, the coaches and the players certainly are.

Seth Stohs
In my opinion, the Twins need to make all moves that they think will put them into contention by about July 20th. At that point, you evaluate where they are compared to Cleveland.

If they had to make that decision today, and fortunately they don't, they would be sellers. The odds indicate that they will be sellers at the deadline at which point a lot of guys could be on the market.

Nick Nelson
At this rate, they sure look like sellers, although that could potentially change within the next few weeks. The trouble is that the Twins don't have much at this time in terms of appealing assets to move, so it's hard to envision any major haul coming back even if they're willing to unload anyone nonessential to the big picture. Brian Dozier's sluggish first half has torpedoed his trade value. Lance Lynn will have takers but won't net a ton. Fernando Rodney's been great, but non-elite relievers don't bring back top prospects (Matt Capps notwithstanding).

Eduardo Escobar is perhaps the most intriguing candidate, as an All Star candidate on the last year of his deal, but Minnesota is probably best served holding onto him and extending a qualifying offer after the season.

Cody Christie
The AL Central might be the weakest division in baseball so it’s hard to call the Twins out of the race. That being said, Cleveland seems to have started to figure it out after a slow start. Minnesota hasn’t been able run off a long streak of winning baseball. Cleveland should easily win the division but they have flaws and this could make them vulnerable.

If the front office is making the decision today, the club is sellers and the team has a lot of pieces that could be dealt. With many players on one-year deals, Minnesota could reset the roster and restock the farm system for the next decade.

There were high hopes at the beginning of the season, so it’s depressing to think the team could be sellers. Flashback to last year, the Twins were in selling mode as the deadline approached. Then the team found a nice groove and ended up in the playoffs.

Anything is possible but it seems like it’s time to sell.

Ted Schwerzler
I don't think it's fair to answer this question with so much time yet before the trade deadline. Realistically Falvey and Levine set the roster up for success this offseason, and it has underperformed as a whole. With the games remaining prior to the deadline, the Twins need to show some consistent life.

The Indians have real warts, and I don't believe they're going to run away with anything. Given the amount of one year deals, the Twins are well positioned to act either way. They can let their play in the weeks ahead dictate how they should attack the deadline.

Tom Froemming
Right now, you'd have to say sellers. The depressing part is most of their obvious pieces to move are having down years.

You can't expect guys like Brian Dozier, Lance Lynn or Zach Duke to fetch much of a return right now. The same can be said for Logan Morrison and Fernando Rodney, who both have a team option for 2019.

Who does that leave?

Taking emotion out of it, Eduardo Escobar could be a great sell high option, but in my heart I want the team to extend him with a 15-year deal. OK, that's an exaggeration, but from a fan's perspective I'd be really bummed if they sent him packing.

With those being the options, I'm not expecting the front office to make a move one way or another until the week of the trade deadline.

Jeremy Nygaard
I can't imagine the Twins buying at the deadline. What would be the point?

If they decide not to sell, they should stand pat... but not buy.

They should sell. Anyone scheduled to be a free agent should be on the block. Brian Dozier is playing his way out of getting a qualifying offer, so prospect would be better than nothing. Lance Lynn, in my opinion, has to be traded, especially if he continues to work back to his old self. Team needs a lefty reliever? Zach Duke has to be available. I would pay - not personally, but as the Twins - the rest of Joe Mauer's salary to give him a chance to win a title this year (and in return for that money, ask for a decent prospect).

And moving any of those guys only give opportunities to other prospects. Moving Dozier allows at-bats for Nick Gordon. Trading Lynn opens a rotation spot for either of Mejia or Gonsalves. Exit Duke, enter Moya. Or Jay. Mauer's at-bats could be absorbed by many players.

I'd also look at moving Morrison, Rodney and potentially Santana. In addition to those three with options, the team has only three other players (Castro, Reed, Pineda) under contract for next year. Moving guys now would be more of a reload and less of a rebuild; the nucleus of the team would remain under control.

Steve Lein
The Cleveland Indians are finally starting to pull away in the division, a wild card is even further off, and the Twins haven’t sniffed a .500 record in over a month. Unless a drastic turnaround happens, like immediately, they should be sellers.

Unfortunately, the reason they’re in this position now is a direct result of the performances from some of those whom they should sell. Lance Lynn has rebounded nicely and could fetch something decent for a rental but the other guys with only one year on their deals, like Brian Dozier and Logan Morrison, have fallen flat and Ervin Santana has yet to throw a pitch this season. Fernando Rodney might net enough where selling him makes sense too.

If you’re hoping to get anything beyond a B-level prospect though, that’s going to mean selling someone like Eddie Rosario or Eduardo Escobar as part of something bigger. But they’re really the only position players who have earned their money this season and are the types I’d want to keep around.
So, while I think they should sell all those rental type pieces to clear the roster space if anything, I’m not holding my breath on any stellar returns.

If you missed any of the previous roundtable discussions, here are the links:
Fixing the Offense
Romero’s Rotation Spot
Top Prospect Timelines
Minnesota’s All-Star Selection
Extension Candidates

  • Cory Engelhardt and caninatl04 like this

  • Share:
  • submit to reddit
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

60 Comments

 

What are you even talking about??????THE FIRST SIGN? You must be joking.Except for two fluke seasons, this team has sucked big time for almost a decade. In the previous 7 seasons this team has lost 92 or more games 5 times.We are playing at a 90 loss level this season. 

 

And, as I have pointed out, the entire roster sucks.We don't even have players that have any value to "Sell, sell, sell". And with all of this flailing, if you look at our farm system, the pantry is virtually bare. We are calling up guys like Bobby Wilson and Taylor Motter (combined .118 batting average).  

 

WHen you go on a streak and lose 99, 96, 96, 92, Fluke, 103, fluke, and 90+ pace the first signs should have been 5 years ago.And, the as I have pointed out, one of the real problems with this situation is that with all of that losing this team dradted at the top of each round in the draft.  

 

Unfortunately, the real prescription is more losing. 

 

Get Nick Gordon up to the big leagues.Let him play some SS and 2B at the MLB level and develop.Get LeMonte Ward up and see if he can bring his professional hitting approach to the big league level and perhaps we will have a true leadoff guy with a bit of pop.Get Willians Astudillo up.I don't know if he can catch, but at least he is not an embarrasement at the plate.Give him a chance.

 

I would even argue that they really need ot look at Brent Rooker and I would strongly consider Luis Arraez all the way from A+ who started slow coming back from a knee injury (.132 in April, .241 in May, and .442 in June) but now is pounding the ball like he did in previous years.

 

Instead of sending Romero down, give him the ball and let him pitch at the MLB level and work on those things he needs to work on. Stephen Gonslaves should be up with the team too.Instead of signing a 38 year old Matt Belisle, give John Curtiss a shot. If he is worse than Belisle's 12.60 ERA then we have a good understanding going forward he really isn't going to be a long term contributor to this team, jsut like how 38 (Belisle), 35 (Duke) and 41 year old(Rodney) pitchers are also not going to be long term contributors.Instead of these guys, get Luke Bard a last shot and let Gaberiel Moya get some experience in the set up role.  

 

If these guys fail, they fail.Big deal.The Belisles and Wilsons are failing too.Losing and failure are information to guide the team forward.If Bard isn't good enough, then you know and can plan going forward with that information.

 

But anyone who wants to go see this team play when JJ Berrios is not pitching must like punishment.

I would hit like twice if it was possible.I had just posted in the Twins minor league summary that Berrios is the only one I look forward to.We just played 31 innings against the White Sox - a terrible team and celebrate eking out a 13 inning game that required a former Twin to walk in the last run.

Photo
the_brute_squad
Jun 29 2018 09:15 PM

This team is in a free-fall and no parachute! The lead off hitter has no speed and is barely hitting over .250. Our (current) power hitter (Dozier) strikes out every there's a man on base. Robbie Grossman would hit 9th on every other teams lineup but he's a middle of the order hitter here. Our promising outfield is 1/3 with one in the minors and the other batting .220. Sano won't be here until August and he'll do fine against the minor league call ups but flail at the rest.

Sell Dozier, Rodney, Belisle (we need a new bucket for balls), Grossman (new bat boy would be fair trade), Lynn, Odorizzi, and anything else that might be deemed a small asset.

The extra hour and a half drive to Cedar Rapids to watch the future might be worth it. I mean, if I'm going to watch a minor league team, I might as well pay minor league prices.

This team is in a free-fall and no parachute! The lead off hitter has no speed and is barely hitting over .250. Our (current) power hitter (Dozier) strikes out every there's a man on base. Robbie Grossman would hit 9th on every other teams lineup but he's a middle of the order hitter here. Our promising outfield is 1/3 with one in the minors and the other batting .220. Sano won't be here until August and he'll do fine against the minor league call ups but flail at the rest.
Sell Dozier, Rodney, Belisle (we need a new bucket for balls), Grossman (new bat boy would be fair trade), Lynn, Odorizzi, and anything else that might be deemed a small asset.
The extra hour and a half drive to Cedar Rapids to watch the future might be worth it. I mean, if I'm going to watch a minor league team, I might as well pay minor league prices.

I’d be shocked if Sano played in the bigs again in ‘18. Rebuild is in session and with Buxton and Sano that means some serious developmental work.
    • Twins33 and wsnydes like this

Ship off the sad sacks: at least you open up roster spots for prospects, if only we would give 'em a chance.

 

Try to keep the keepers. I'll leave it up to you to decide who.

Photo
Nine of twelve
Jul 05 2018 05:32 AM

When a team reaches the point where advancing to the postseason is highly unlikely selling should take place. However, that doesn't mean getting rid of anyone for whom you can get an offer. It means improving your team's position to have success as soon as possible. In the case of the Twins it means improving our position to have success in 2019. We will have a rehabilitated and improved Sano. We will have a rehabilitated and improved Buxton. We will have a full season of Polanco. We will have several young pitchers, both starters and relievers, who have been improving in the high minors. We should not jettison anyone who is likely to make a significant contribution next season. Dozier, Lynn, Rodney, Duke, maybe Mauer should be the ones to look at trading. Almost nobody under the age of 27 should be on the list.

I’d be shocked if Sano played in the bigs again in ‘18. Rebuild is in session and with Buxton and Sano that means some serious developmental work.


Sano will at least return in September when the minor league season is over, assuming he is healthy.
    • Twins33, Sconnie and wsnydes like this
Photo
TheLeviathan
Jul 05 2018 07:27 AM

 

 Dozier, Lynn, Rodney, Duke, maybe Mauer should be the ones to look at trading. Almost nobody under the age of 27 should be on the list.

 

You might be surprised how many players on this roster are over 27.I agree with that thinking though.

    • Mike Sixel likes this
Photo
yarnivek1972
Jul 05 2018 07:28 AM
To say 2017 was not an abberation is correct. The Twins were definitely the 6th best team in the American League. The problem is that at least 4 of the 5 better teams last year were light years better, and still are. Also, the other 9 teams in the American League last year were very bad.

So, depending on your point of view, the Twins were either the best of the worst or the worst of the best. Either way, it was not a team that was going to make noise in October.
    • wsnydes likes this
Photo
The Wise One
Jul 05 2018 07:52 AM

If you sell and get Eduardo Escobars, great.If you are getting Enns and Pedro Hernandez type players there is no point in selling. Minimal scouting should be able to tell the difference in ceilings.

    • lukeduke1980 likes this
Photo
The Wise One
Jul 05 2018 07:55 AM

 

To say 2017 was not an abberation is correct. The Twins were definitely the 6th best team in the American League. The problem is that at least 4 of the 5 better teams last year were light years better, and still are. Also, the other 9 teams in the American League last year were very bad.

So, depending on your point of view, the Twins were either the best of the worst or the worst of the best. Either way, it was not a team that was going to make noise in October.

When they could get a reasonably higher ceiling player last year they sold. Management recognized the team's relative position for the playoffs. 


Similar Articles


by Cody Christie , 10 Feb 2020
Photo


by Seth Stohs , 09 Feb 2020
Photo


by Ted Schwerzler , 30 Jan 2020
Photo


by Seth Stohs , 30 Jan 2020
Photo


by Cody Christie , 08 Jan 2020
Photo