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Twins Acquire Two Prospects For International Bonus Money

Minnesota missed out on the Shohei Ohtani sweepstakes but there might be some good news on the horizon. There are multiple teams still in the race for Ohtani and they need international slot money to spend on the two-way Japanese star.

On Wednesday night, the Twins struck two deals to send money to teams still in the race for Ohtani. What prospects did the Twins receive? How did Minnesota have this money? Who will get some of their international slot money?
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Marte Money
Jelfry Marte had been signed by the Twins to a $3 million deal this summer. However, an issue found on his physical exam meant the deal was voided. With Marte’s money back in their international pool, Minnesota had $3.245 million to try and lure Ohtani to the Midwest. Last weekend, he informed the Twins that he wouldn’t be signing with them. This allowed the club to trade away some of their pool money to eager Ohtani suitors.

Mariners Trade

Catcher David Banuelos, a 21-year old Ontario, CA native, was drafted this year by Seattle in the fifth round out of Long Beach State. He spent all of this season in the Northwest League (Short-A) where he hit .236/.331/.394 with four home runs and eight doubles in 36 games. He made 26 starts behind the plate with a .982 fielding percentage. He threw out 18 potential runners and allowed 30 stolen bases.

With his college experience, he is considered a strong defender. He shows the ability to get on base and he has some power from the right-side of the plate. He could develop into a big league catcher in the years to come.

Angels Trade

Outfielder Jacob Pearson, a 19-year old, was drafted this year by the Angels in the third round. Los Angeles had to go overslot and offer him a $1 million to lure him away from his LSU commitment. He spent all of last season in the Arizona League (Rookie) where he hit .226/.302/.284 with seven doubles and a triple in 40 games. He played center field and left field during his professional debut but 31 of his 40 starts came in left.

His defensive skills are a weak spot at this point in his career but he’s still a teenager. The Twins hope he can continue to develop the right kind of speed and power combination to make him a legitimate threat at the plate.

So how did the Twins do? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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Brock Beauchamp
Dec 07 2017 02:20 PM

 

Ok, but this is somewhat conflating pool limits with green dollars.

 

In the case previously mentioned where the Cardinals voided a $3M contract due to vision issues, the kid wound up signing for $500K with Arizona. Obviously this doesn't define anything for Marte, but indicates what can happen to teams' forecasts of future value in light of a bad vision report.

Yeah, but that kid actually had a vision problem. He floundered in the low minors and bombed out of baseball. The rumors being bandied about in this thread are suggesting Marte's vision problem isn't that big of a deal.

 

And if it's not the big of a deal, it would require very little money to go get an independent physical and send it to 29 MLB teams, attached with a note "I'll sign for half what the Twins offered me". There are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars at stake here. If the Twins are dealing dirty, it'd be very easy to prove otherwise and make a boatload of money (while the acquiring team still saves millions).

 

This seems like a pretty clear cut example of Occam's Razor. The Twins said he has a vision problem that will hamper his baseball career, he probably has a vision problem that will hamper his baseball career.

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Well, I don't know how long Marte has been available -- when exactly was the contract voided? And the international market has shrunk/slowed considerably this time of year , so perhaps Marte can take his time deciding. I mean, if he just had a $3 mil deal voided, he may not have much incentive to jump on the first $1 mil offer. (In theory, could he even take his chances next July?)

Sure that is one possibility, but don't you find it strange that no analysts are talking about winning the Jelfry Marte sweepstakes or reporting anything of interest about him other than the voided contract?Wouldn't there be rumors from his camp that the Twins were jerking him around or the medical was wrong?Also the Twins have to careful about their reputation or no one will want to sign with them in the future.I don't think you would want to take a chance like that to get some different prospects.

 

 

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I don't know where to put this so I'm putting it here:

http://www.startribu...itan/462600173/

"Multiple sources have confirmed that the Twins were in the hunt for Maitan, considered the top international prospect in 2016 when he signed with the Braves in for $4.25 million. He's a switch hitting shortstop with a strong arm and good power potential. According to MLB.com, some early comparisons were to Miguel Sano.

Maitan signed with the Angels for a reported $2.2 million. Indications are that the Twins offered significantly more than Los Angeles. But someone in Maitan's camp, either Maitan, his family, his agents or a combination of all of them, looked at the Twins farm system and decided to go elsewhere."

There is also more words on the two new guys under the link.

I think he got good advice.The Twins are pretty loaded at Short and he has a path of least resistance through the Angels system.Should give him a faster path to the Majors if he is as good as advertised.

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And if it's not the big of a deal, it would require very little money to go get an independent physical and send it to 29 MLB teams, attached with a note "I'll sign for half what the Twins offered me".


Except thanks to MLB rules, only a few of the other 29 teams could even offer him that much right now. I'm not sure the lack of a deal for Marte at the moment is all that meaningful of a data point.
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Why didn't we get a pitcher or two? I'm not impressed with either of these two though they are still babies.

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SF Twins Fan
Dec 07 2017 02:59 PM

 

Except thanks to MLB rules, only a few of the other 29 teams could even offer him that much right now. I'm not sure the lack of a deal for Marte at the moment is all that meaningful of a data point.

 

Neither is a handful of people on here speculating the Twins are being shady with ZERO evidence.

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Nothing to lose - it makes me wonder how many players go through our system each year.Without TD most would go without an acknowledgment, but in reality the number that is in the system just looking for a moment in the sun is staggering. 

 

My best answer250 - 300 https://www.quora.co...all-farm-system

 

That means there are 10+ players for every major league roster spot. 

Neither is a handful of people on here speculating the Twins are being shady with ZERO evidence.


Did you see me citing TD posters as a data point?

 

That's not quite right. People were pissed that the Astros were using the injury as a way to secure a third player (after Jacob Nix) named Mac Marshall out of Aiken's bonus. The medical issue they saw was similar to other picks and those picks had their bonuses lowered by several hundred thousand dollars, not 1.5m, which coincidentally happened to be Marshall's demand. Nix and Marshall's agreements were therefore locked into a third party (Aiken). Nix filed his grievance against the Astros and won (Astros settled for 1m+ before the arbitrator ruled against them). 

 

I'm hoping that the Twins didn't **** over Marte on the hopes of getting a better prospect but I think they did. 

I thought the deal was that the Astros had an agreement with Aiken for less than slot, they were going to use the extra money for Nix.But when Aiken's physical came back, they weren't willing to pay as much as agreed upon and they then didn't have any extra money for Nix.So if they wanted Nix, they essentially were paying for him and a damaged Aiken.Pretty sticky situation all around....

 

I thought the deal was that the Astros had an agreement with Aiken for less than slot, they were going to use the extra money for Nix.But when Aiken's physical came back, they weren't willing to pay as much as agreed upon and they then didn't have any extra money for Nix.So if they wanted Nix, they essentially were paying for him and a damaged Aiken.Pretty sticky situation all around....

That was the original deal. But when they found an anomaly in his arm, they demanded another pick from Aiken - Mac Marshall. Aiken and his agent said no, stalemate happened and none of the three kids were able to sign. Nix was able to file grievance.

 

Agreed the optics are certainly complicating the matter. If Marte does resign it'll raise more questions. Obviously it's all conjecture at this point but: 

 

Why would the Twins be interested in resigning him if the eye condition is as serious as others are convinced it is? If they're certain he won't be a big league player why waste the remaining money resigning him? 

 

I can't get past the timing; the apparent non release of the contract being voided and the announcement for the availability of the money coinciding with Ohtani making his way to the states just seems odd. 

 

If the Twins are going to resign him doesn't that hint that the eye condition might not have been as disastrous as portrayed? If that's the case can the actions of the Twins be viewed as some sort of tampering? Marte's value clearly would have been affected and potentially the reason other clubs have been hesitant to sign him. It's clearly the most sinister scenario but is it the craziest thing in the world to think a team would sacrifice a player like Marte in order to have a shot at Ohtani? 

 

Another part I can't get past though is that if Ohtani had decided to come to MN this wouldn't have been an issue. Even if the Twins had f***ed this kid over the Ohtani signing would have overshadowed anything done to get him here. I can't I wouldn't have overlooked it myself. 

 

Or you know, it could just be a condition the Twins aren't comfortable with so they decided to move on, i.e. business as usual. 

I think that it's conjecture to the extreme. Has it been reported anywhere that the vision problem rules out a potential MLB career? Is the 100/20 vision report false? Is a physical just a charade? As I see it, until facts prove otherwise, a defect was discovered that lowers his value to something less than $3 million dollars. It doesn't mean that he isn't worth signing at all. It just means that his market value has dropped following a customary physical. Due diligence is a good thing. 

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I think he got good advice.The Twins are pretty loaded at Short and he has a path of least resistance through the Angels system.Should give him a faster path to the Majors if he is as good as advertised.

 

If I were a young shortstop, I'd probably look at Lewis, Gordon, Javier, and Palacios; then take a quick gander at the nobody that the Angels have in their system; then I'd probably pick the Angels too.

 

Though given the Twins' depth and the Angels' propensity for trading prospects for fading veterans, he'll probably be wearing a different uniform by the time he hits the majors anyway.

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After Dee Gordon to Mariners deal it's time to fire up the Falvine HotLine

 

Hello Jon Daniels....$1.2Mil for Yohander Mendez

 

Line 2...Billy Eppler...Jahmai Jones or Jo Adell (the rest of your guys are...um...not worth the Monopoly Money)

 

 

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If I were a young shortstop, I'd probably look at Lewis, Gordon, Javier, and Palacios; then take a quick gander at the nobody that the Angels have in their system; then I'd probably pick the Angels too.
 
Though given the Twins' depth and the Angels' propensity for trading prospects for fading veterans, he'll probably be wearing a different uniform by the time he hits the majors anyway.


I’m glad to hear the Twins aren’t looking at their system and thinking they have enough shortstops. They don’t stick that often and can move almost anywhere. After keeping Braves money and adding another $2MM + I guess he wanted to go where he saw the quickest path. Understandable.
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diehardtwinsfan
Dec 07 2017 05:47 PM

 

LEN3 reports that the Twins actually offered more than the Angels for Maitan:

 

http://www.startribu...itan/462600173/

 

Money quote:

 

 

Also, this tease:

 

guess you cannot argue with the approach... they didn't get their guy and this is plan B.

Trading the international signing money is absolutely the right move since it is at a premium right now (to the west coast teams). I do feel that had they waited longer and traded all of it to one team the return would of been much better.

I understand that it cost them nothing, but it really doesn't matter where your assets come from.

At least the new front office seems to make moves that I can understand. That is an improvement. We will know a lot more once we see the prospects they acquired play next year.

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KirbyDome89
Dec 07 2017 06:57 PM

 

I think that it's conjecture to the extreme. Has it been reported anywhere that the vision problem rules out a potential MLB career? Is the 100/20 vision report false? Is a physical just a charade? As I see it, until facts prove otherwise, a defect was discovered that lowers his value to something less than $3 million dollars. It doesn't mean that he isn't worth signing at all. It just means that his market value has dropped following a customary physical. Due diligence is a good thing. 

Yeah man, I said as much...."Obviously it's all conjecture at this point."

 

Have you read a single post that claims anything the Twins have said is false? I haven't. What I've said is the timing of events seems funny. 

 

An unlikely MLB career, the "good relationship," with the team and the lack of noise from other clubs have all been used as evidence the Twins didn't do anything out of the ordinary. That all could be true. However, isn't that speculation as well? It's far from firm evidence. 

 

I don't see any definitive claims that the Twins are "playing dirty," but I do see questions about the circumstances, and I don't think it's wrong to ask them. 

Yeah man, I said as much...."Obviously it's all conjecture at this point."

Have you read a single post that claims anything the Twins have said is false? I haven't. What I've said is the timing of events seems funny.

An unlikely MLB career, the "good relationship," with the team and the lack of noise from other clubs have all been used as evidence the Twins didn't do anything out of the ordinary. That all could be true. However, isn't that speculation as well? It's far from firm evidence.

I don't see any definitive claims that the Twins are "playing dirty," but I do see questions about the circumstances, and I don't think it's wrong to ask them.


Do we actually know the timing of the failed physical though? All we know is when it became public, and that was only found out when a national writer posted available international pools due to Ohtani becoming available.

If they voided the contract in August or September, which seems likely, there would be nothing especially fishy about that.
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drivlikejehu
Dec 07 2017 07:10 PM

 

Yeah man, I said as much...."Obviously it's all conjecture at this point."

 

Have you read a single post that claims anything the Twins have said is false? I haven't. What I've said is the timing of events seems funny. 

 

An unlikely MLB career, the "good relationship," with the team and the lack of noise from other clubs have all been used as evidence the Twins didn't do anything out of the ordinary. That all could be true. However, isn't that speculation as well? It's far from firm evidence. 

 

I don't see any definitive claims that the Twins are "playing dirty," but I do see questions about the circumstances, and I don't think it's wrong to ask them. 

 

Sorry but this is ridiculous. 'Asking questions' can be a way to level completely fictitious and unfounded accusations, which is exactly what you are doing here. 'Sure, there's zero evidence of anything amiss, but since I can make up a conspiracy theory out of thin air, it makes sense to discuss it.'

 

I don't understand why this line of inquiry is even being allowed by the mods. It's pretty much the same as accusing Falvey of having a drug problem or any other completely made-up smear. 

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KirbyDome89
Dec 07 2017 07:21 PM

 

Do we actually know the timing of the failed physical though? All we know is when it became public, and that was only found out when a national writer posted available international pools due to Ohtani becoming available.

If they voided the contract in August or September, which seems likely, there would be nothing especially fishy about that.

No, and it's a fair point. I said as much in my OP, this could all be nothing and the Twins could easily clear it up. I do think it's odd that he would sign in early July and not have a physical until November. I also think it's weird not to announce he failed it during the summer if they knew the information would eventually be made public. 

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Carole Keller
Dec 07 2017 07:25 PM

Moderator warning: Okay, enough ... move the discussion back to the topic and move along. We are getting into stages of bickering and disrespect. This is NOT a winnable argument no matter how fervently you want to express your opinion or how fervently believe there was or wasn't any wrong-doing regarding Marte. Move along.

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I do like the Enlow - Pearson connection. Both LSU recruits, both drafted in the 3rd round, both lured away from college by over-slot bonuses, and now both in the Twins system.

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Two new prospects rated high but performing low already, in low levels of the farm world. Amazing 5 pages of comments can come out of this. Good luck to the prospects and the Twins. All three will need a lot of it for this one.

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Two new prospects rated high but performing low. Amazing 5 pages of comments can come out of this. Good luck to the prospects and the Twins. All three will need a lot of it for this one.


Where are they rated high?

If they didn't like any of the available foreign players or the braves players, this is a fine, if unexciting use of the limits
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See I would have them flipped. Catcher guy interests me but I'm not interested in an outfielder with zero power and can't field. Can't possibly be ahead of Rooker. Rooker was mashing.

The prospect here is 19. What was Rooker doing at 19? No team thought at 18 Rooker would develop into anything. Pearson at the same as Rooker was after his freshman season is starting at a higher level of success.In 3 years Pearson could be Rooker.or yet another 21 year old looking for work with no skills


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