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Time for a Bauer Outage in Minnesota

What do you give a team that has everything? How about more of a good thing? Here’s the deal, Minnesota doesn’t have a ton of glaring holes to fill this offseason. The rotation has some openings though, so why not begin at the top? Trevor Bauer, write yourself a check.
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The lineup should remain virtually unchanged going into 2021. Eddie Rosario is a prime non-tender candidate given his production and assume cost. Also noting that both Brent Rooker and Alex Kirilloff appear major league ready, there’s an immediate replacement to be had. If Nelson Cruz is retained, and hopefully only on a reasonable contract, then much of the punch should be back.

Where Derek Falvey has work to do is on the pitching front. Minnesota was actually very good on the bump each of the past two seasons, but there’s an exodus of sorts that is taking place this winter. Only three of the rotation spots are accounted for, and finding more pitching is the goal of every organization. For a guy familiar with the former Cleveland Indians pitcher, a reunion between Derek and Trevor Bauer makes a lot of sense.

Here’s the deal though, it’s highly unlikely and that’s because every team in baseball could use Trevor Bauer. He knows that, and every front office around the league knows that. Whether a multi-year deal is struck, or he sticks to his guns as a hired assassin on one-year pacts, the payday is going to come.



Expected to be named the National League Cy Young winner, Bauer posted a ridiculous 1.73 ERA across 73.0 innings in 2020. He owned a 12.3 K/9 with just a 2.1 BB/9 en route to a 276 ERA+. Arguably no one in the game knows their body better than Bauer knows his, and he’s continued to push the boundaries of what can be expected from him.

Turning 30 in January, there’s also expected to be plenty of mileage left on his arm. He wants to extract the most from himself in terms of performance and was able to convince the Reds to allow him an opportunity to pitch on just four days rest. Sustaining that throughout a full season would be a throwback of sorts, but he has it down to a science in order to make it work. Those additional trips to the mound would seemingly provide more value to any suitor, especially if only carrying the risk for a single season at a time.

Circling back to what Minnesota has in front of them, they’re coming off inking the largest free agent contract in history. However, prorated pay in a Covid shortened sprint had the total expense checking in just north of $55 million, or 18th in baseball (and two spots shy of league average). Despite the losses in fan generated revenues this season, the reality is no franchises find themselves in a place of struggle, and especially not a Twins team right in the heart of their competitive window.

It makes sense for the front office to spend a bit on the bullpen, hand out a nice chunk of change to Nelson Cruz, and maybe find a utility man that requires a little bit more of a monetary commitment. In all of that though, there’s not really an avenue to a significant expense. Minnesota will be up against plenty of competition for Bauer’s services, but handing him a blank check would be ego stroking and potentially enough to get it done.

This should be great theater to watch unfold, and Twins Daily Women in Baseball participant Rachel Luba is going to have a field day representing her high-profile client. Where the Twins can allow themselves to enter the ring is in saying the top of the staff is yours, write the amount that will get it done.

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yeahyabetcha
Oct 08 2020 07:11 PM
Can’t really see the Twins committing 300+ million to one player
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Let's just forget about 2020 financial losses across MLB and assume everyone is OK and willing to keep payrolls status quo for 2021. Even with some raises, re-signs, FA signings combined with some payroll coming off the books, the Twins could afford to bump their payroll closer to the $150-160M mark and still be FINE. All things being equal for anything resembling a normal season.

And I could even see Bauer liking the idea of pitching for the Twins. And while it remains to be seen if he really wants to continue his year to year approach, the demand for his services will be high. He's going to be looking at $25-30M. Can the Twins afford that? Even for a single year? Maybe...all things being equal and level.

But the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc, won't offer him as much or more? They won't offer him a 5 or 6 year deal for $250M plus that it would be impossible for him to turn down?

Sorry I don't see him coming to the Twins.

Adding to the rotation by re-signing Oddorizi, or making another solid Oddo/Maeda trade while developing Duran and Balazovic and others is the way to go. Without the crazy finances and an uneven financial playing field, you build the best and deepest team and system you can. Hopefully, from the progress we've seen thus far, the system will soon resemble Cleveland, Houston and others in regard to pitching development.

Bauer would be great to have for a year. But I just don't see it happening.

Doesn't he only want a one-year deal? Go for it.

 

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And I could even see Bauer liking the idea of pitching for the Twins. And while it remains to be seen if he really wants to continue his year to year approach, the demand for his services will be high. He's going to be looking at $25-30M. Can the Twins afford that? Even for a single year? Maybe...all things being equal and level.

For one year of Bauer, his price tag might be more like $35M given the market Gerrit Cole established last year. Might even be looking for more. But the Twins can find that money fairly easily.

 

The Twins could free up $36M from 2020 commitments (before Covid proration) by not bringing back Odorizzi ($18M), Marwin ($11M), Romo ($5M), May ($2M).

 

Looking back at 2019, Odo and May combined for 223 innings pitched. Bauer threw 213 himself. Adding a guy like Bauer who pitches deeper into games will allow for the Twins to let May and Romo go with a little more comfort in knowing some of those innings are accounted for (albeit with different leverage).

 

Finally, being able to bump Maeda to 2, Berrios to 3, and Pineda to 4 would be incredible. I don't know if that would give the Twins the best rotation in baseball, but it would be close. I am all in on this signing, 100%. Get this done Twins.

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There aren't many people in the world who are as confident in themselves as Trevor Bauer. I don't see any reason to think he won't follow his year by year plan. Teams are much more willing to throw out crazy money for 1 year than multiple. Why not try to get 40 mil a year for a few years? I wouldn't pick the Twins over the field, but there's no reason they can't throw crazy 1 year money at him.

 

The concern Bauer is likely to have is the Twins seemingly unwavering obsession with pulling pitchers early. He won't go for that stuff.

 

For one year of Bauer, his price tag might be more like $35M given the market Gerrit Cole established last year. Might even be looking for more. But the Twins can find that money fairly easily.

 

The Twins could free up $36M from 2020 commitments (before Covid proration) by not bringing back Odorizzi ($18M), Marwin ($11M), Romo ($5M), May ($2M).

 

Looking back at 2019, Odo and May combined for 223 innings pitched. Bauer threw 213 himself. Adding a guy like Bauer who pitches deeper into games will allow for the Twins to let May and Romo go with a little more comfort in knowing some of those innings are accounted for (albeit with different leverage).

 

Finally, being able to bump Maeda to 2, Berrios to 3, and Pineda to 4 would be incredible. I don't know if that would give the Twins the best rotation in baseball, but it would be close. I am all in on this signing, 100%. Get this done Twins.

 

If he wants a 1 year deal get it done!!!if it is 30-35/yr so be it.If it is 5+ years we are obviously out.At face value it appears he prefers the yr to yr deal.Zero reason not to do it on a 1 year deal.  

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Obviously none of us think quite like Bauer does, but I would expect him to look for a multi-year deal with lots of player options. Basically he is in a position to have his cake, and eat it, too.
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Mr. Bauer is one of most interesting FA ever, and throw in a very interesting FA off season to boot.I could be wrong, but I believe he reps himself.He is always outspoken about business of baseball and many other things.He has always been different from other players, doing things his way.He was known for his odd warm ups of pole to pole long toss.He studies the game and his delivery to be best at what he does and to stay healthy.It seems he will always do what he thinks is best and not listen to coaches too much.

 

He has stated in past he will go year to year FA to max his earning potential over that time.He wants to bet on himself.However, he said that years ago when FA was not looking him in the face coming off of a great season.Will he change his mind and go multi year deal in these uncertain baseball times?I do not just mean when fans will return, but with possible stoppage and looming salary cap.Maybe it does not happen, but if one does, that will lower his future earing potential than he first thought, most likely.  

 

If you just wanted the numbers I would offer him 1 year deal in a heartbeat.If you care about clubhouse personality, Falvey would know that better than anyone who he is like.We all know he will throw a tantrum from time to time, once throwing a ball from the mound over CF wall, that is impressive in its self.However, it can be thought he cares more about himself than the team when he does stuff like that.He is not alone in these actions either, but something to keep in mind.  

 

What will also complicate things is if he is given QO, unless I read they took that away for this off-season, so much stuff happened, something like that rings a bell.If he can be offered a qualifying offer, which he will turn down, will a team sign him to a 1 year deal?You give up a long term piece in a draft pick for a single season of work, that is something to really look at for some teams.I know I would second guess a 1 year deal and giving up a pick, in an expected shortened draft again. 

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Doctor Gast
Oct 09 2020 08:47 AM

I`d go all in. He`s a fountain of pitching wisdom,young pitchers are looking for, to make that jump that Wes might not have. 1 year may pay dividends for years to come. Jack Morris was a great pitcher for the Twins but he refused to help young pitchers, Bauer on the other hand loves to share his knowledge of the game. This spring training Jeffers, Blankenhorn & Lewis were following Donaldson around like puppy dogs, don`t you think that might have aided their hitting success in their premiere?I think this coming FA won`t be the same, there won`t be as much demand. Yes, we`ll lose a draft pick but this coming draft will have less playing time to really judge good talent. The following year we`ll gain an extra draft pick with a wholeyear to scout

Offer Nelly 2/20 and Bauer 2/80. Do it. Do it. 

 

 

 

No! No! No! I have said it before that we should not sign Bauer. I don't believe he would fit in or would be good in the clubhouse because of his "do my own thing" way of life and pitching. Yes, he is a good pitcher and a good competitor but I just don't think he would fit in. Add to that he will be way too expensive. This guy is NOT Koufax or Gibson or even Cole or Kershaw. I am not even sold that he will win the Cy Young over Darvish or DeGrom but he probably will. 

 

No! No! No! I have said it before that we should not sign Bauer. I don't believe he would fit in or would be good in the clubhouse because of his "do my own thing" way of life and pitching. Yes, he is a good pitcher and a good competitor but I just don't think he would fit in. Add to that he will be way too expensive. This guy is NOT Koufax or Gibson or even Cole or Kershaw. I am not even sold that he will win the Cy Young over Darvish or DeGrom but he probably will. 

This is always so weird to see. People were split on Donaldson between "we need his energy" and "his energy isn't going to fit in with this team". Bauer didn't have any real issues in Cleveland other than throwing that ball over the CF fence and no issues at all in Cincinnati. People worry about chemistry too much. When's the last time in Major League history a successful team brought in a talented player who didn't mech well with the clubhouse and it made them worse?

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This is always so weird to see. People were split on Donaldson between "we need his energy" and "his energy isn't going to fit in with this team". Bauer didn't have any real issues in Cleveland other than throwing that ball over the CF fence and no issues at all in Cincinnati. People worry about chemistry too much. When's the last time in Major League history a successful team brought in a talented player who didn't mech well with the clubhouse and it made them worse?

Agreed. And most of the stories we see about Bauer's attitude are him not getting along with coaches because he wants to train his own way. The Twins have openly embraced that attitude since Rocco took over. They believe in the professionalism of their guys and expect them to do what is needed to be ready to perform and don't push any specific protocols.

 

The idea that 1 guy could come in and screw up a whole locker room is a little outlandish. There's 26 players, coaches, FO personnel, clubhouse personnel, grounds crew members, etc. who are around every single day in the clubhouse. To think that you're going to have 1 guy come in and destroy things isn't realistic. Do people think every player on the 2020 club got along and weren't individuals wanting to do things their own way? He goes out and performs. That's what teammates ask of each other. They don't have to agree on everything or approach things the same way. They're grown adults who work together. Get your job done and nothing else matters.

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Why would he want to come here? I'm sure he saw Rocco pulled the starters in the post season so why wouldn't he be pulled as well?

I want him here for sure. Dude wants to win everytime he's out there but some spreadsheet somewhere says something that would say to pull him and I don't see him wanting that.

Rocco just isn't the manager for him.
Agreed that he's not coming here. This front office/manager wouldn't allow him to pitch 8+ innings regularly. I watched the video breakdown he did on Keplers 5 homers and it was excellent. The dude is a character
This is by far the funniest Randall’s Stu article yet!

Jack Morris was a great pitcher for the Twins but he refused to help young pitchers, Bauer on the other hand...


I know there are more words in this sentence after “but”...for some reason however, when I look at them, all I can see is Jack jumping up and down and waving Gladden in from 3rd base.

Jack Morris was a great pitcher for the Twins but he refused to help young pitchers, Bauer on the other hand...


I’m fairly certain there are some words in this sentence after “but”...however for some reason, when I look at them, all I can see is Dan Gladden jumping onto home plate.

YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!But why would he want to come here and get lifted after 75 pitches??...lol

YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!! But why would he want to come here and get lifted after 75 pitches??...lol


Yeah, after the Twins limit him to 75 pitches and 4 - 5 innings per start, he then wouldn't be that expensive to re-sign again as his value will diminish.
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