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TB 19, MIN 6: This Never Happened

You ever have a day so bad you’d just like to permanently erase it from your memory?

Saturday’s game off to a great start. Jose Berrios had a no-hitter going through three innings. Even when he slipped, the bats stormed back. Minnesota held a 6-4 advantage after six innings.

Then things really went sour.
Image courtesy of © Jesse Johnson-USA TODAY Sports
Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)
Jose Berrios: 45 Game Score, 6.0 IP, 6 ER, 5 K, 3 BB, 62.8% strikes
Bullpen: 3.0 IP, 13 ER, 2 K, 1 BB
Lineup: 4-for-11 w/RISP, 11 LOB
WPA of 0.1 or higher: Rosario .303, Wilson .169
WPA of -0.1 or lower: Duke -.537, Berrios -.309, Dozier -.104
Attached Image: WinEx714.png
What do you really need to know about this game? Well, for starters Willians Astudillo pitched (and he topped out at 86.2 mph, by the way). He gave up five runs on five hits, two of them homers, in the ninth inning.

That may sound real bad, but two actual major league pitchers got rocked just as badly for the Twins. Zach Duke, pitching for the fourth time in five days, took over for for Berrios in the seventh after Jose walked the leadoff man and then gave up a single.

Duke gave up consecutive RBI singles and a go-ahead sacrifice fly. He intentionally walked a batter to load the bases, then Joey Wendle cleared them with a triple. That adds up to a five-run seventh for the Rays.

Tampa Bay added another five spot in the eighth against Matt Belisle, who’s now given up 13 earned runs in 12 1/3 innings with the Twins.

Eddie Rosario was 3-for-5 with two RBIs and Max Kepler hit his 11th home run. Both Eduardo Escobar and Bobby Wilson collected two hits.

Astudillo has now made two appearances at third base, two at second base, one in left field, one in center and another on the mound. He has yet to catch for the Twins.

Paul Molitor announced in his postgame interview that Aaron Slegers will be placed on the DL and Fernando Romero will start tomorrow's game.

Postgame With Molitor

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
Attached Image: Bullpen714.png
AL Central Standings
CLE 51-42
MIN 43-50 (-8)
DET 40-57 (-13)
CHW 32-62 (-19.5)
KC 27-67 (-24.5)

Next Three Games
Sun vs. TB, 1:10 pm CT: Fernando Romero vs. TBD
All-Star Break

Last Three Games
MIN 11, TB 8: Twins Get a Scare on Friday the 13th, Prevail over Pesky Rays
MIN 5, TB 1: Who’s the Snub?
MIN 8, KC 5: Twins Recover from Rough Start


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53 Comments

If you are going to have a hitter pitch. You can't be bringing it at 86.2. The hitters can time that. 

 

Bring in Grossman and let him do that 60 MPH thing he does.:)

 

MLB Guys pop that stuff up.  

    • ashburyjohn, glunn, Jerr and 11 others like this

I'm fully on board the "fire Molitor" bandwagon after watching that debacle. The Astudillo appearance was nothing less than an extended middle finger to the fans who remained to watch the ninth inning. 

    • Jerr, Mike Sixel, 70charger and 6 others like this
So how much more leash does Belisle get? I'm ok with a few more appearances but he appears to be done.
    • D.C Twins and Nine of twelve like this
I think they are waiting for Belisle to figure out he's done so he can be hired as a coach or something.
    • D.C Twins and Nine of twelve like this
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Old Twins Cap
Jul 14 2018 07:48 PM

Trade Rodney and Belisle is your closer.

 

Because, you can't lose enough games to get the draft pick you need for the future.

    • Mike Sixel, adjacent, Vanimal46 and 1 other like this
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ChrisKnutson
Jul 14 2018 08:16 PM
I’ll never understand why we signed Belisle. I mean what’s the point of having pitching depth when you don’t use it.


This “veteran presence” dependency & the shuttling of major league ready relievers back and forth from Rochester has to stop. Our player development already sucks, and this isn’t making it any better.
    • blindeke, David HK, D.C Twins and 1 other like this
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AlwaysinModeration
Jul 14 2018 08:20 PM
Romero starting tomorrow is the best news of the day.

By the way, who took the “over” on runs scored in the Berrios-Archer matchup?
    • ashburyjohn, Jerr, blindeke and 2 others like this
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yarnivek1972
Jul 14 2018 08:25 PM
Yeah, so Duke has had FOUR (not 1, not 2, not 3, count them FOUR - 4) 20 plus pitch outings THIS WEEK.

But he is the MOY.
    • USAFChief, Mike Sixel, Danchat and 7 others like this
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AlwaysinModeration
Jul 14 2018 08:47 PM
Is Astudillo Big Sexy 2.0?
    • D.C Twins and BJames like this
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Old Twins Cap
Jul 14 2018 08:49 PM

 

Is Astudillo Big Sexy 2.0?

 

Little sexy.

 

Unless that undermines the metaphor?

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jul 14 2018 08:58 PM
FOUND:

Photograph of Astudillo pitching for Rochester Red Wings:

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https://www.pickinsp...-all-star-team/
    • Mike Sixel, David HK and wsnydes like this

I don't suppose any of the crack reports asked why McGill is on the roster, and not being used....say, ever, or in a blow out?

 

I am baffled by this....

    • glunn, rghrbek, David HK and 3 others like this
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Tom Froemming
Jul 14 2018 09:09 PM

 

Yeah, so Duke has had FOUR (not 1, not 2, not 3, count them FOUR - 4) 20 plus pitch outings THIS WEEK.

But he is the MOY.

And this is a pitcher who averaged just 10.2 pitchers per appearance last season that we're talking about. I've been impressed with how Duke has handled his usage this season -- the Cardinals really babied him and the Twins are basically letting it rip -- but everybody has a breaking point. This was too much to ask.

    • Danchat, jun, blindeke and 3 others like this

Wow, it only took Duke 20 pitches and Belisle 26 pitches. But Willians 35. Someday the guy will catch. And, of course, the team somehow at Adrianza at first base. Go figure.

    • jun, David HK and D.C Twins like this

 

I'm fully on board the "fire Molitor" bandwagon after watching that debacle. The Astudillo appearance was nothing less than an extended middle finger to the fans who remained to watch the ninth inning. 

 

I mean... I'm not to the "fire Molitor" space yet... Thee are plenty of reasons for those who do think that... Pitching a position player when the team is down by a bunch in the ninth inning only makes sense. 

 

The alternatives were throwing Belisle out there for another inning, or use a reliever that has not business pitching in a blowout. Cuz, we all know if he had brought Hildenberger into the 9th, the Molitor haters would have run with that too. 

    • Brandon, Danchat, KGB and 4 others like this

 

The alternatives were throwing Belisle out there for another inning, or use a reliever that has not business pitching in a blowout. Cuz, we all know if he had brought Hildenberger into the 9th, the Molitor haters would have run with that too. 

Or how about using Magill?

    • David HK, D.C Twins and BJames like this

Oh this happened.....the FO signed Belisile and Molitor continues to use him....

 

So....uh....not only did this happen, it is going to happen again and again before the season is through. 

    • jun and David HK like this

Matheny was fired after 2-8 loss to the Reds. Molitor is still employed after 6-19 loss to the Rays. Different standard indeed.

    • ChrisKnutson likes this
Glad to here that Romero will be on the bump tomorrow.
    • Hosken Bombo Disco likes this
The Belisle thing is turning into one of the greatest mysteries in American history.

Who really killed JFK, and why? Did we really land on the moon? What really happened in Roswell, New Mexico? Why did the Twins sign and repeatedly use Matt Belisle in the summer of 2018?

Science and logic still cannot conclusively answer any of these questions.
    • Circus Boy, Vanimal46, David HK and 4 others like this

 

Yeah, so Duke has had FOUR (not 1, not 2, not 3, count them FOUR - 4) 20 plus pitch outings THIS WEEK.

But he is the MOY.

.... and Magill had 4 days off.

    • BJames likes this

...and in the continuing saga of the Twinks dugout bringing players up, only to sit them down, or use them in positions they've never played in the major, or minor league level...

 

Welcome to the show, Willians!

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mngopherguy
Jul 15 2018 03:50 AM

I wouldn't have brought back Belisle, however the guy is getting way to much crap for this season.Look at his outings, he's either pitching a zero run inning or he's had three outings that ruined his numbers.#thenewpunto #scapegoat#getoverit 

 

 

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mngopherguy
Jul 15 2018 03:55 AM

 

Yeah, so Duke has had FOUR (not 1, not 2, not 3, count them FOUR - 4) 20 plus pitch outings THIS WEEK.

But he is the MOY.

 

Best point of the thread imo. I don't understand the bullpen usage like everyone else.

    • USAFChief likes this

Yeah, so Duke has had FOUR (not 1, not 2, not 3, count them FOUR - 4) 20 plus pitch outings THIS WEEK.
But he is the MOY.

  

.... and Magill had 4 days off.


...and we rostered Slegers the last 4 games with no real intent/desire to use him either. Could have easily optioned/DL'd him earlier in favor of, say, Moya.
    • USAFChief, KGB, David HK and 3 others like this