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Derek Falvey Interview on 1500 ESPN

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Rundown: The Next Eovaldi, Cleveland Trade Rumors and More

Nathan Eovaldi is one of the hottest free agents on the market right now. Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported that the Astros have joined the mix of 10 teams confirmed to have interest in the 28-year-old right-hander. With that much competition, Eovaldi figures to land himself a handsome contract. It’s difficult to see the Twins coming out on top of the bidding war should they join the pursuit, but what they really should be doing is trying to find the next Nathan Eovaldi.
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Eovaldi had a solid 2018 season, but his postseason performance for the Red Sox really put him over the top. He missed the entire 2017 season and the two years prior to that pitched to a 4.45 ERA in 279 innings with the Yankees. Sounds a lot like Michael Pineda, right? Fingers crossed.

In trying to come up with a similar buy-low, high-upside option I landed on Eovaldi’s Boston teammate and fellow free agent Drew Pomeranz. From 2014-17, he had a 3.24 ERA in nearly 500 innings. Forearm issues caused him all sorts of problems in 2018, including a dip in velocity. He had a 6.08 ERA for the Red Sox last year and was demoted to the bullpen. So obviously there are some red flags, but MLB Trade Rumors predicted that he’d be available on a one-year, $6 million contract. I’d take that gamble.

I floated that idea out on Twitter, but Darren Wolfson of KSTP was kind enough to let me know the Twins had not made any contact with Pomeranz at this time. Maybe that will change once they address more urgent matters, who knows? Also, for those wondering, Drew is not related to former Twin Cities broadcaster and minor league pitcher Mike Pomeranz.

Doogie also noted on Twitter that the Twins have been in contact with Patrick Corbin’s agent. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported that Corbin, the top pitcher on this year’s free agent market, is expecting to receive six-year offers. Corbin has met with the Phillies, Nationals and is expected to meet with the Yankees. Jim Pohlad is notoriously averse to long commitments, and there’s some logic in that stance, so it still seems the Twins would be a long shot to land the lefty.

It seems pretty odd that Cleveland is apparently forced to shed a lot of payroll this offseason, but even more strange is who they’re inclined to move. Bob Nightengale of the USA Today reported that there’s a sense the team is more amenable to send away Trevor Bauer than Corey Kluber or Carlos Carrasco. Not only is Bauer the youngest of that trio, he also had the best 2018 season of that group. Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported today that the Dodgers are in trade talks with Cleveland and its believed one of the members of their rotation would be headed to LA if any deal is agreed upon.

The Twins could certainly use a boost in their rotation, but I doubt Cleveland would be motivated to deal one of their best players to their top division rival. Still, someone like Bauer potentially leaving Cleveland, along with their other pending free agents, will obviously give the Twins better odds of winning the division.

Rob Huff of MLB Trade Rumors projected the Twins to have a $125 million payroll for 2019. That means they'd have $48 million to spend this offseason. Given the comments by ownership and the front office, I would be surprised if they went that high. But again, if Cleveland sheds talent the Twins should absolutely get aggressive.

The Indians are already losing Michael Brantley, Andrew Miller and Cody Allen. The fact that there’s so much speculation that they’re looking to shed payroll means they’re certainly not going to be signing any big free agents.

Michael Clair of Cut 4 predicted that the Twins would win the AL Central next season. One of the things he points to in the team bridging the gap to Cleveland is luck. So many things went poorly for the Twins in 2018 while Cleveland avoided a lot of those unforeseen issues, outside of their bullpen problems. If they traded Bauer and one of Francisco Lindor or Jose Ramirez was forced to miss a significant amount of time, that team would be very ordinary.

The first Twins Hot Stove Show of the offseason was recorded Wednesday night. You can listen back to the full episode here. Derek Falvey and Rocco Baldelli were the guests. There was a lot of talk about culture, leadership and forming partnerships.

A couple members of the 2018 Twins are moving on to other organizations. La Velle E. Neal III of the Star Trib provided details on Jeff Pickler joining the Reds coaching staff and Chris Gimenez becoming the game planning coach for the Dodgers.

Over at Twinkie Town, Hayden looked back at the 10 dumbest things that happened to the Twins in 2018. I laughed, I cried, I realized there was lots of dumb stuff I’d already blocked out of my memory.

A name you can expect to be hearing a lot is Yusei Kikuchi. The Seibu Lions are expected to post the 27-year-old lefty next week. He’s already in the US and was spotted at an Anaheim Ducks game. Here’s some video of Kikuchi on the mound:

I haven’t seen the Twins linked to Kikuchi in any way, but he seems like a player they should definitely have interest in. He has a 2.81 ERA in more than 1,000 innings in the NPB. If you’re interested in learning more, Yankees site River Ave Blues did an excellent job profiling Kikuchi.

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Yup.

Lance Lynn 5.10 ERA in 20 starts
Ervin Santana 8.03 ERA in five starts

The big X-factor will be how they react when someone struggles. They can't afford to keep sinking innings into lost causes. With the amount of options they have waiting in the wings, that shouldn't be necessary.


Because the Twins have had so much success calling up a rookie from AAA and seeing immediate success in recent years.

BTW....no one on this site or anywhere else is denying that home grown talent is the best way to go. Some of us are arguing its not the only way to go. Nor are we arguing that the whole rotation, INF, OF, RP corps, whatever strawman people want to put up, should be FAs or trades. No one is making that argument.

 

Some of us are arguing that ignoring some all the channels other than home grown won't really work. And no, 1 year deals is not not ignoring FA, imo. And, if the FO really tried to sign Darvish, they agree.

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diehardtwinsfan
Nov 30 2018 10:12 AM

 

I think Twins fans to some degree are stuck in this mentality that we need starting pitching. Two things on that topic ...

 

1) That's not a team weakness right now. Berrios, Gibson and Odorizzi were all top 25 WAR for AL pitchers. Add Pineda and a bunch of good options for the fifth spot and you've got a playoff-caliber rotation. This team needs to score more runs and get a better performance from its bullpen.

 

2) Take a look at the 2018 Milwaukee Brewers rotation. Their best starter last year was roughly as good as Odorizzi. They still went 96-67 and were a game away from the World Series.

 

There's no such thing as too much pitching, and the rotation does thin out after next season with Gibby, Odo and Pineda all set to become free agents, but I still wouldn't do anything drastic such as trade away Lewis to upgrade the rotation. 

 

So are you confident that 2nd half Odorizzi will be more the norm than the exception next year? Just curious. I didn't realize he was a top 25 SP in WAR though. 

 

 

 

So are you confident that 2nd half Odorizzi will be more the norm than the exception next year? Just curious. I didn't realize he was a top 25 SP in WAR though. 

 

The Twins had zero SP in the top 25 of fangraphs' version of WAR.....Berrios was 27, Gibson 32, and ODO 43 among those pitching at least 90 innings last year.

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Tom Froemming
Nov 30 2018 10:22 AM

 

Because the Twins have had so much success calling up a rookie from AAA and seeing immediate success in recent years.

Adalberto Mejia has a 108 ERA+ in 122 2/3 career innings.

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KirbyDome89
Nov 30 2018 10:24 AM

 

Mike,

 

A couple years ago someone made a similar statement. I put up a chart of all of the playoff teams and the source of their SPs. It was overwhelmingly how grown. Some were drafted and some were trades before the player became established. Granted, that has shifted some the last couple years.

 

There were 2 relatively high profile free agent SPslast year. Collectively they produced 2WAR for $51M (Arietta-2 / Darvish-0)

 

There were not any high profile SPs in 2017. Rich Hill was the highest price FA at less than $13M AAV.

 

In 2016, there were 4 high profile signings. Two of them (Price / Cueto) produced well in 2016. The other two not so much. Production went down for the group in 2017. Only Greinke was good. The other 3 produced 1.6 - 1.0 WAR.Production down even further in 2018 where this group averaged 1.825WAR

 

2018

21.00 / 126 Darvish ….. 0 
25.00 / 75 Arietta…... 2 

 

2017 N/A  
    
2016    
34.40 / 206 - Zack Greinke 2.2/5.1/3.5
31.00 / 217 - David Price 4.5/1.6/2.7
23.00 / 110 - Jordan Zimmerman 1.3/ 1/ 0.9
21.66 / 130 - Johnny Cueto 5.5/1.2/ 0.2
Average WAR per year ………....3.375 2.225 1.825

 

The premise that signing this type of free agent has a high probability of making the team better is not supported by recent history and the history is the front end where the production should be very good. All four of these deals look bleak in terms of the final years. They produced 1WAR/$18M last year and that's going to look good compared to the final years. 

Boston: traded for or signed Sale, Price, and Porcello

Houston: traded for Verlander and Cole

New York: Signed Tanaka and just traded for Paxton

Cleveland: traded for Carrasco, Kluber, and Bauer

 

That's just in the AL. None of that screams home grown to me. The closest thing are the pitchers Cleveland acquired but those guys were already in AAA or about to make that jump when the Indians traded for them. 

 

Nobody is arguing that massive FA pitching contracts are great value; they're not, but Jordan Zimmerman and Zach Greinke aren't on the same talent planet. Skipping the 15' FA class helps that poor WAR return argument as well because you're leaving out Max Scherzer's dominance since his FA signing. As it stands right now I'd take a 2 WAR Arrieta over the question marks in the 4 and 5 spots for the current Twins rotation. Ideally the team would aim higher but it's certainly better than crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

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Tom Froemming
Nov 30 2018 10:25 AM

 

The Twins had zero SP in the top 25 of fangraphs' version of WAR.....Berrios was 27, Gibson 32, and ODO 43 among those pitching at least 90 innings last year.

The top 25 stat was in the American League, but this works too. I'll take three of the top 45 starting pitchers in all of baseball. 

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Adalberto Mejia has a 108 ERA+ in 122 2/3 career innings.


Come on Tom. Don't make me list out all of the Twins rookies who struggled mightily in their first 5-15 MLB starts over the last 3 years. You know this.
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Tom Froemming
Nov 30 2018 10:33 AM

 

Come on Tom. Don't make me list out all of the Twins rookies who struggled mightily in their first 5-15 MLB starts over the last 3 years. You know this.

I could also point to how poorly Berrios debuted as a reason to be encouraged about some of the young guys taking a step forward, but what does any of that have to do with 2019?

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I think Twins fans to some degree are stuck in this mentality that we need starting pitching. Two things on that topic ...

 

1) That's not a team weakness right now. Berrios, Gibson and Odorizzi were all top 25 WAR for AL pitchers. Add Pineda and a bunch of good options for the fifth spot and you've got a playoff-caliber rotation. This team needs to score more runs and get a better performance from its bullpen.

 

2) Take a look at the 2018 Milwaukee Brewers rotation. Their best starter last year was roughly as good as Odorizzi. They still went 96-67 and were a game away from the World Series.

 

There's no such thing as too much pitching, and the rotation does thin out after next season with Gibby, Odo and Pineda all set to become free agents, but I still wouldn't do anything drastic such as trade away Lewis to upgrade the rotation. 

What the Brewers showed is that an above-average rotation isn't necessary if you have a reliever (or two) that just plain stop giving up runs. The A's this past season, and the Royals and Orioles teams of recent years, have also followed this pattern. But that just shifts the focus from finding top-end starters to finding a reliever or relievers with essentially 1.00 ERAs.

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ChrisKnutson
Nov 30 2018 10:59 AM

What the Brewers showed is that an above-average rotation isn't necessary if you have a reliever (or two) that just plain stop giving up runs. The A's this past season, and the Royals and Orioles teams of recent years, have also followed this pattern. But that just shifts the focus from finding top-end starters to finding a reliever or relievers with essentially 1.00 ERAs.


Hence the reason why we should be in on FA relievers like Kelly, Miller, Herrera, Ottavino, Kimbrel, and Allen this year, and Jansen and Vizcaino next.
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I think Twins fans to some degree are stuck in this mentality that we need starting pitching. Two things on that topic ...

 

1) That's not a team weakness right now. Berrios, Gibson and Odorizzi were all top 25 WAR for AL pitchers. Add Pineda and a bunch of good options for the fifth spot and you've got a playoff-caliber rotation. This team needs to score more runs and get a better performance from its bullpen.

 

2) Take a look at the 2018 Milwaukee Brewers rotation. Their best starter last year was roughly as good as Odorizzi. They still went 96-67 and were a game away from the World Series.

 

There's no such thing as too much pitching, and the rotation does thin out after next season with Gibby, Odo and Pineda all set to become free agents, but I still wouldn't do anything drastic such as trade away Lewis to upgrade the rotation. 

Tom, if anything, I think some people are stuck in the mentality that if you have 2-3 pretty good starting pitchers, then starting pitching is not a weakness.

 

It may not be the Twins' BIGGEST weakness, but it quite possibly is the one that could best be addressed via big deals from outside sources (trades or FA).

 

For better or worse, the lineup is likely to be improved (or not) based on what Buxton and Sano do. There are internal options and/or mid-range external options for middle infield and 1B. 

 

There are good relievers available, but I don't think you pay huge prices (in money or prospects) for relievers.

 

Which brings us back to the rotation. 

 

There's no doubt that the rotation is looking stronger than it did a year ago. But I think it's becoming more and more clear that DEPTH is critical. It's not enough to have 2-3 good starters and a couple of guys that can hold their own. 

 

It looks to me that teams that are going to be serious contenders for any stretch of time will have rotations that are 8 men deep. Naturally, that means that about half of that number will need to be young and home grown, with MiLB options remaining, that can be yo-yo'd between Rochester and Minnesota as needed.

 

Nobody this side of Seth Stohs is a bigger fan of Twins' prospects than I am. That said, if 3 years of Thor are available, everyone in the Twins system - big leagues or minor leaguers - are on the table. No, you don't make a Hershel Walker kind of lopsided deal, but even the best minor leaguers are still question marks.

 

Don't believe me? Ask how many would trade Buxton and Sano in a deal for Thor right now. How many would have made that deal for a similar top pitcher 4 years ago?

 

No, I don't think the Twins FO will make this kind of move this season (if ever). They finally are putting together their own development/coaching staff and probably believe those coaches can make serious improvements with their current internal options (or at least want to take a year to find out).

 

It's just unfortunate that the uncertainty over Buxton & Sano is resulting in this being an offseason of moderation, rather than the aggressiveness that it should have been, given the payroll flexibility.

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Carole Keller
Nov 30 2018 01:42 PM

Tom, if anything, I think some people are stuck in the mentality that if you have 2-3 pretty good starting pitchers, then starting pitching is not a weakness.

It may not be the Twins' BIGGEST weakness, but it quite possibly is the one that could best be addressed via big deals from outside sources (trades or FA).

For better or worse, the lineup is likely to be improved (or not) based on what Buxton and Sano do. There are internal options and/or mid-range external options for middle infield and 1B.

There are good relievers available, but I don't think you pay huge prices (in money or prospects) for relievers.

Which brings us back to the rotation.

There's no doubt that the rotation is looking stronger than it did a year ago. But I think it's becoming more and more clear that DEPTH is critical. It's not enough to have 2-3 good starters and a couple of guys that can hold their own.

It looks to me that teams that are going to be serious contenders for any stretch of time will have rotations that are 8 men deep. Naturally, that means that about half of that number will need to be young and home grown, with MiLB options remaining, that can be yo-yo'd between Rochester and Minnesota as needed.

Nobody this side of Seth Stohs is a bigger fan of Twins' prospects than I am. That said, if 3 years of Thor are available, everyone in the Twins system - big leagues or minor leaguers - are on the table. No, you don't make a Hershel Walker kind of lopsided deal, but even the best minor leaguers are still question marks.

Don't believe me? Ask how many would trade Buxton and Sano in a deal for Thor right now. How many would have made that deal for a similar top pitcher 4 years ago?

No, I don't think the Twins FO will make this kind of move this season (if ever). They finally are putting together their own development/coaching staff and probably believe those coaches can make serious improvements with their current internal options (or at least want to take a year to find out).

It's just unfortunate that the uncertainty over Buxton & Sano is resulting in this being an offseason of moderation, rather than the aggressiveness that it should have been, given the payroll flexibility.

I think they should still be aggressive even with the ifs that are Sano and Buxton. When will be the next time they will have this flexibility in payroll? I say take the bet that Sano and Buxton will come through and add big. Add like they are expecting them to. If they don’t come through we will be better off because we added something. If we don’t add and they don’t come through, we will be lucky to even match our wins of this last season. But if they do come through and we haven’t added, that will be another wasted season. There is no way to know either way, so take the leap of faith.
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ashburyjohn
Nov 30 2018 06:35 PM

Just because the Twins are no longer ranked 30th in MLB in pitching doesn't mean it's good.

22nd in the majors means around middle of the pack in the AL. Because of the DH, mostly.

 

Always distrust MLB-wide rankings. Always.

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22nd in the majors means around middle of the pack in the AL. Because of the DH, mostly.

Always distrust MLB-wide rankings. Always.


Middle of the pack is not good.
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ashburyjohn
Nov 30 2018 07:35 PM

Middle of the pack is not good.

Perhaps not. But Tom stated, "That's not a team weakness right now," and I was responding to a response to that.

Perhaps not. But Tom stated, "That's not a team weakness right now," and I was responding to a response to that.


Middle of the pack is a team weakness if I'm GM.
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Major League Ready
Dec 01 2018 07:59 AM

 

you'd rather have 6 years of an unknown commodity, than 3 of one of the best pitchers on the planet?

 

And, others won't sign SP to long term deals, where, exactly, do people expect to find great pitchers? 

 

Cleveland put together an entire staff without doing either. St. Louis did it when they were on top. The Mets did it and so have many others. Having said this, I think Syndergaard is exactly the kind of guy you trade for because he is elite and in his prime. He is that final piece that changes the power rankings among contenders. The problem is we are not among the contenders, not even close unless, and he won't get us close. The scenario that gets us close goes like this.

 

Two guys that have never sustained elite play will do so now. Why? Because we have no chance if they don't.

 

Then, we magically put together a BP representative of a winner. How? Buy elite RPs. What is the track record of these elite RPs. Looking at history and the FAs available, one would have to conclude that is highly speculative. Not to mention, the only way any of them come here is if we pay an even more obscene amount than the market price is right now.

 

Then, we will have to assume we get the Rosario of the 1st half not the Rosario that have a wRC+ of 64 for the second half.

 

Then, we will need Garver to carry the load a catcher.

 

Then, we need to come up with a 2B

 

Then, we need them all to stay healthy, especially the guy we bet the future on.

 

Then, if all those things come through we have a team on par with Cleveland and Seattle last year. Great, we can come up just short or get waxed in the first round if this scenario with a 5% chance of coming to fruition works out. You are asking Falvey to sign his termination papers.

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terrydactyls1947
Dec 01 2018 09:49 AM
With the names of players not being tendered now coming out, there are a number of low-cost options for the bullpen now available. If I were the FO, I would move quickly to sign three guys for a total of $10M-$15M a year and possibly a 1B/DH and a 2B for the same total amount. (these numbers are based off the projected arbitration amounts I've seen.) That would leave the Twins with enough payroll space to sign a couple of second tier starting pitchers. And they still have all their prospects. Damn I'm good.
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I would LOVE if the Twins were to pick up SP Shelby Miller who was non-tendered. I see him as the next Eovaldi. He's only 28. And remember, the Dbacks gave up the 1st overall pick for him and then some to get him from the Braves, so he has the potential to be great. I think Wes Johnson would do a great job with him, velocity wise.

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I just wanted to add that seeing things like how the Twins should be, "trying to find the next Nathan Eovaldi" makes me shake my head.

 

If you invest in the stock market at all and do any online research, you magically find yourself on the same email distribution lists that I do and that means you get regular emails about how someone has identified, "the next Amazon," "the next Netflix," or the "next" something similar.

 

Guess what. NOBODY knows who the next Amazon will be or we'd all be making 2000% on our investments. 

 

Similarly, nobody knows who the next Eovaldi is going to be... or even WHEN someone will come on and perform like he did.

 

But people still throw their money away on fad stocks that MIGHT have the next greatest tech breakthrough or a cancer cure. And teams like the Twins will keep trying to pay pennies for a guy who will turn around and perform like a $25,000,000 ace for a couple of years.

 

People who chase those stocks will never become billionaires... and billionaires who use that approach to chase pitching aces will never win World Series.

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ChrisKnutson
Dec 01 2018 05:24 PM

I just wanted to add that seeing things like how the Twins should be, "trying to find the next Nathan Eovaldi" makes me shake my head.

If you invest in the stock market at all and do any online research, you magically find yourself on the same email distribution lists that I do and that means you get regular emails about how someone has identified, "the next Amazon," "the next Netflix," or the "next" something similar.

Guess what. NOBODY knows who the next Amazon will be or we'd all be making 2000% on our investments.

Similarly, nobody knows who the next Eovaldi is going to be... or even WHEN someone will come on and perform like he did.

But people still throw their money away on fad stocks that MIGHT have the next greatest tech breakthrough or a cancer cure. And teams like the Twins will keep trying to pay pennies for a guy who will turn around and perform like a $25,000,000 ace for a couple of years.

People who chase those stocks will never become billionaires... and billionaires who use that approach to chase pitching aces will never win World Series.


Now I get you don’t like the idea of finding “the next Eovaldi,” but have a good feeling about Shelby Miller, yeah he’s been hampered by injuries (like Eovaldi), but his stuff almost as good. And now that he’s been non-tendered, perhaps the Twins can swoop in a sign him to a 1yr/$4.5M deal with incentives. Could be a steal, but if not, we can always move him to the bullpen or cut just him loose.

Then again, we could always trade for a proven (and underrated) SP like Julio Teheran, Wouldn’t even have to give up much since Teheran is slated to earn $11.17M next year ($1M in 2020, if team option exercised).

What the Brewers showed is that an above-average rotation isn't necessary if you have a reliever (or two) that just plain stop giving up runs. The A's this past season, and the Royals and Orioles teams of recent years, have also followed this pattern. But that just shifts the focus from finding top-end starters to finding a reliever or relievers with essentially 1.00 ERAs.


I agree, even though the 1.00 ERA is hyperbole.

But you are on mark.

In any sport, you have a team game and compilation of production to win. Same in baseball, no matter how individual a performance. You can have the best SP or position player in the land, but you can't win with just that. You need a complete team. And this goes back to what a lot of us are on our soapboxes for; the best and most complete team you can put together.

I have no problem with the Twins making a major move to add a stud #1 SP with current players or a 2-4 top 20 prospect inclusion. I guess it all depends what you have, and where you are at. But is that 1 SP going to get you over the top? Again, it depends what you have and where you are at.

We need some lineup questions answered. But there are a lot of ways to build a quality team. And as pointed out building a quality bullpen is one of those ways. There are SO MANY arms floating out there right now that you don't exactly have to break the bank. You can sign a couple to "big" deals and still bring in fliers, to augment what you have available, to build a quality pen. Berrios, Gibson, Odorizzi, Pineda, and others available, openers or not, there is something to work with here. And more coming up...soon.

Work on the lineup, and depth and flexibility. Hope for the best from Sano and Buxton but create depth and options. (And there ARE options!). But build the damn bullpen!

 

you'd rather have 6 years of an unknown commodity, than 3 of one of the best pitchers on the planet?

 

And, others won't sign SP to long term deals, where, exactly, do people expect to find great pitchers? 

 

 

you'd rather have 6 years of an unknown commodity, than 3 of one of the best pitchers on the planet?

 

And, others won't sign SP to long term deals, where, exactly, do people expect to find great pitchers? 

Just think of the deals the Twins could have done if they traded Buxton when he was #1 prospect in the game. Now look what we have, an injury prone outfielder that spends more time on DL than playing.

 

Same could be said about Gordon. One of the Twins top prospects and top 25-40 in the game and now where would you place him?

 

Prospects should be used to acquire proven talent if you are a contending team. A prospect has maybe a 10-15% chance to succeed.

 

Assuming the Mets want to shed payroll and get ML talent, or close to ML talent back, I'm just tossing this out there:

Kepler, Gordon, Romero and 1 of Gonsalves, Thorpe or Graterol. (Graterol is RH and further away, but has an even higher ceiling).

Kepler starts in CF/RF and still has a ton of upside. Gordon could be ready mid year. Romero is ready now for some role. And they get their choice of another good young arm.

 

i CRINGE at the thought of dealing Thorpe.He's probably the next best pitcher down on the farm besides Graterol and he's a season at most away from the majors.He will be much better than Kohl Stewart IMO.  

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