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Rosenthal: Twins Agree to Deal With Addison Reed

Most of the attention this offseason has been dedicated to the Twins' pursuit of top starting pitching options, but it appears they just made a significant upgrade to the bullpen. According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, the Twins have agreed to a contract with Addison Reed, who was the third-ranked relief pitcher on the market per MLB Trade Rumors.
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According to Rosenthal's report, which has since been confirmed by several other reputable sources on Twitter, the two sides have agreed to a two-year pact.

UPDATE: Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports reported the deal at two-years, $16.75 million on Twitter.

MLB Trade Rumors predicted Reed would fetch a four-year, $36 million deal. In that same piece, the site ranked Reed 16th among its top 50 free agents, third among relievers, trailing only Wade Davis and Greg Holland.

According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, Reed turned down longer-term deals in order to come to Minnesota.

Reed is from California, but spent the first three seasons of his career with the Chicago White Sox. Here's a look at his numbers from Baseball-Reference:
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Reed is the third relief pitcher the Twins have signed to a major league deal this offseason, joining Fernando Rodney and Zach Duke. Once the deal has been made official, the Twins will need to make room for Reed on their 40-man roster.

It appeared in mid-December that Reed was Philadelphia bound, but a deal never was finalized and the Phillies signed Tommy Hunter instead. There have been three relievers signed to three-year deals, all by the Colorado Rockies (Davis at $52 million, Bryan Shaw at $27 million and Jake McGee at $27 million), but it appears the Twins have been rewarded for waiting out the market. Reed's deal comes in just over what Pat Neshek got from the Phillies (two-years, $16.25 million) and just behind what Juan Nicasio got from the Mariners (two-years, $17 million).

Why were the Twins able to sign Reed to such a modest deal? That's a great question. Taking a look at his velocity numbers over at Brooks Baseball, there doesn't seem to be any cause for concern.
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Here's Reed's average fastball velocity the past four seasons: 93.33, 93.27, 93.22 and 92.93. So he has lost 0.4 mph over that span, but his swinging strike rate of 13.7 percent in 2017 was the highest he's posted since his rookie year.

What do you think about this signing and the overall upgrades made to the bullpen?

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This news made my Saturday. I was worried they were done in the bullpen. I’m smiling.

I’m guessing that Reed signs for less years to be a closer. Rodney will have a new role and his agent is probably calling to air grievances.

No way this takes them out on Darvish. Two Years around 8M per year. Should have no influence on a multi year 100 plus million deal.
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mikecgrimes
Jan 13 2018 04:37 PM
If I'm darvish I probably demand a move like this. It really feels like it might in a sense be a package deal. Prior to this news I might have thought 25-33% chance of darvish now I'm more like 50-75.
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This will make some interesting situations come Spring Training:

 

The fact that the Twins have offered arbitration to and agreed to contracts with Grossman, Adrianza, Escobar and need a back up catcher, and Vargas is out of options, they cannot go with an 8 man bullpen, unless they make a trade.

 

Under contract and out of options starters: Santana, Gibson, Hughes

Under contract and starters with options:Mejia, May, Berrios

Under contract and out of options relievers:Rodney, Reed, Duke, Pressly, Boshers, Kinley (effectively)

Under contract and starters with options: Duffey, Rogers, Hildy, Chargois, Enns, Slegers, Moya

 

I suspect that Berrios starting is a given.There are 6 RPs without options in the pen.Unless they get another starter Hughes/Mejia/May are fighting for 2 spots in the rotation and the loser will get the last spot on the pen or get optioned.This means that only one of Duffey, Rogers, Chargois, Hildy can start in the majors, unless they make a trade.

 

That's why the Twins should be all over the phone trying to make trades at this point.

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ashburyjohn
Jan 13 2018 04:55 PM

For that reason I was probably more sold on the Duke and Rodney signings then most.

Sir Rodney, Sir Duke and Sir Addison! Veddy veddy British feel to the new bullpen, plus a little bit of swing thrown in. :)

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Reed should be the closer?What about Rodney?I think of Rodney as one of those "closer-only" type dudes. Has Rodney ever been a setup man? It seems Reed could fit nicely into the 8th inning.

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Reed should be the closer?What about Rodney?I think of Rodney as one of those "closer-only" type dudes. Has Rodney ever been a setup man? It seems Reed could fit nicely into the 8th inning.

 

I'd rather see the Twins useReed in the highest leverage situations (Like Andrew Miller) and let Rodney have the ninth.

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mikecgrimes
Jan 13 2018 05:13 PM

 

Reed should be the closer?What about Rodney?I think of Rodney as one of those "closer-only" type dudes. Has Rodney ever been a setup man? It seems Reed could fit nicely into the 8th inning.

I don't really care who closes so long as Addison gets the outs that matter more often.Let Rodney have have the 2 and 3 run saves.If he blows those he won't have much claim to the spot.I don't really think it matters if they go back on their word to a 41 year old, but it's also not going to be much of a problem to live up to that word to the point that it creates no issues if things change.

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Thanks dudes, I agree with both of the comments above. Good answers.

Lets get arrieta!

 

This will make some interesting situations come Spring Training:

 

The fact that the Twins have offered arbitration to and agreed to contracts with Grossman, Adrianza, Escobar and need a back up catcher, and Vargas is out of options, they cannot go with an 8 man bullpen, unless they make a trade.

 

Under contract and out of options starters: Santana, Gibson, Hughes

Under contract and starters with options:Mejia, May, Berrios

Under contract and out of options relievers:Rodney, Reed, Duke, Pressly, Boshers, Kinley (effectively)

Under contract and starters with options: Duffey, Rogers, Hildy, Chargois, Enns, Slegers, Moya

 

I suspect that Berrios starting is a given.There are 6 RPs without options in the pen.Unless they get another starter Hughes/Mejia/May are fighting for 2 spots in the rotation and the loser will get the last spot on the pen or get optioned.This means that only one of Duffey, Rogers, Chargois, Hildy can start in the majors, unless they make a trade.

 

That's why the Twins should be all over the phone trying to make trades at this point.

You think Hughes is going to be a viable option? 

 

I don't see it, but, then again, I was counting Mauer out last year. Of course, we all know how that turned out. :)

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Twins should have no problem pushing to $135mil if a Darvish deal is on acceptable terms (especially years).

I'm not much of a fan of multiyear deals for free agent relievers, but it does seem like they got a good deal compared to earlier signings.
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Twins should have no problem pushing to $135mil if a Darvish deal is on acceptable terms (especially years).

I'm not much of a fan of multiyear deals for free agent relievers, but it does seem like they got a good deal compared to earlier signings.

Yes, I think this is another indication that the Twins aren't just doing business as usual and are willing to make big moves and increase payroll. This doesn't mean that they won't look at a big trade like Cole/Archer but that would also be a very atypical move for the Twins.

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Good move very little downside to this, now let's get another starter.

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Jan 13 2018 07:18 PM

Don't underestimate the strength of signal this sends to Darvish and Arrietta.

 

Twins going all in to win a World Series over the next number of years, offense, defense, bullpen.

 

Hard not to like it.

 

And yes, unless I am mistaken, this is the Twins' first money committed in 2019. 

 

Big rollers don't think in terms of one year.  So payroll shoots up 35% in 2018?

 

Who cares.

 

By 2021, you have a World Series Title and another generation of Twins fans who idolize going to Target Field with their kids. 

 

It's about long term and if Falvey and Levine can present a credible case that there will be a route to growth, profit and overall return by choosing their path.

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Don't underestimate the strength of signal this sends to Darvish and Arrietta.

Twins going all in to win a World Series over the next number of years, offense, defense, bullpen.

Hard not to like it.

And yes, unless I am mistaken, this is the Twins' first money committed in 2019.

Big rollers don't think in terms of one year. So payroll shoots up 35% in 2018?

Who cares.

By 2021, you have a World Series Title and another generation of Twins fans who idolize going to Target Field with their kids.

It's about long term and if Falvey and Levine can present a credible case that there will be a route to growth, profit and overall return by choosing their path.


Just a small point - Hughes, Castro and Pineda are also guaranteed money in 19, and ESan has a pretty reachable vesting option.
There's one less Darvish suitor as the Astros aquired Cole. Of course the Yankees may step up their efforts to sign Darvish as a result...
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tarheeltwinsfan
Jan 13 2018 07:37 PM

 

Reed and Darvish share that agency - very interesting. This offseason is unfolding like a bad, slow, poorly written novel but with some interesting stuff at the end.

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

 

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I was surprised that since he was offered a three year deal that the Twins didn't offer an option for the third year.Guy must believe in himself and will test the market again after two years.  

 

You think Hughes is going to be a viable option? 

 

I don't see it, but, then again, I was counting Mauer out last year. Of course, we all know how that turned out. :)

 

That's not the point.Whether or not Hughes is a viable option, he is out of options, so the Twins need to deal with him and they owe him more than $26M over the next 2 seasons.

 

Yes, I think this is another indication that the Twins aren't just doing business as usual and are willing to make big moves and increase payroll. This doesn't mean that they won't look at a big trade like Cole/Archer but that would also be a very atypical move for the Twins.

 

Only Darvish can decide if he comes here.

 

If he comes or doesn't... I'm already buying into the indicator that the Twins have demonstrated it isn't business as usual by simply being in the mix for him. 

 

They wouldn't be in the mix without a significant dollar amount thrown in that direction. 

 

I'm pretty happy today. 

 

 

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Only Darvish can decide if he comes here.

If he comes or doesn't... I'm already buying into the indicator that the Twins have demonstrated it isn't business as usual by simply being in the mix for him.

They wouldn't be in the mix without a significant dollar amount thrown in that direction.

I'm pretty happy today.


I'm skeptical that the front office is all that different in how far they are willing to stretch.

They might be wiser with resources and might have some relationships that help them close the deal, but even Terry Ryan would notice they had financial flexibilty (he was instrumental in creating it!) and a need in the rotation. Fangraphs and mlbtraderumors had the Twins pegged for a significant starter addition.
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ashburyjohn
Jan 13 2018 07:49 PM

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

It was the age of trades, it was the age of free-agent signings. It was the epoch of new relievers, it was the epoch of new starters. It was the season of single-A prospects, it was the season of win-now. It was the Spring of hope, it was the Autumn of pennants. We had everything before us --- full stop.

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Winston Smith
Jan 13 2018 07:55 PM

 

That's not the point.Whether or not Hughes is a viable option, he is out of options, so the Twins need to deal with him and they owe him more than $26M over the next 2 seasons.

Can't they DFA him? Nobody would take his contract if he went on waivers and he'd need to report to Roch to collect his money wouldn't he? At least he'd get innings and could prove he's worth something or not.

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That's not the point.Whether or not Hughes is a viable option, he is out of options, so the Twins need to deal with him and they owe him more than $26M over the next 2 seasons.

Okay, fair enough. 

 

I'm skeptical that the front office is all that different in how far they are willing to stretch.

They might be wiser with resources and might have some relationships that help them close the deal, but even Terry Ryan would notice they had financial flexibilty (he was instrumental in creating it!) and a need in the rotation. Fangraphs and mlbtraderumors had the Twins pegged for a significant starter addition.

 

I agree... To assume that Ryan wouldn't notice the financial flexibility. You would have to first assume that he was blind and completely inept and that would be a terrible assumption to make.

 

My opinion of Terry Ryan is mostly favorable. Even if I felt it was time for a change. 

 

However... There really isn't any history of Ryan shopping at the top of the FA pile or trading for an established veteran with a significant price tag. Ryan never got a chance to prove that he could or would spend when necessary. 

 

The timing may not have been right or... well... I don't know. 

 

 

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