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REPORT: Twins to Trade Eduardo Escobar to Arizona

Multiple reports have confirmed that the Twins and Diamondbacks are in agreement on a deal that would send Eduardo Escobar to Arizona. Here's the return: Jhoan Duran, Ernie De La Trinidad and Gabriel Maciel.

There has been a lot of debate at the site the past few days about how things should play out as Tuesday's tread deadline approaches. If this deal is indeed finalized, it seems to be a clear indication the direction the team has chosen.
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News the two sides were close was originally relayed by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic on Twitter. Jon Heyman of Fancred confirmed there was indeed a deal being finalized.

John Gambadoro of Arizona Sports 98.7 has shared that three Diamondbacks minor leaguers will be headed over, though we're still waiting for names.

UPDATE: Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports has the details. The Twins are acquiring right-hander Jhoan Duran and outfielders Ernie De La Trinidad and Gabriel Maciel.

Over the past seven seasons, we've watched as Eduardo Escobar has blossomed from a pretty nondescript utility man into an everyday player who's on pace to set the all-time doubles record this year. It's been a fun journey, and I can only speak for myself, but he's a guy who I feel has endeared himself to the fans much more than the average ballplayer.

He was less of a professional baseball player who I enjoyed watching and more like a character on my favorite TV show. Always smiling, always having fun, always playing hard. And an entertainer to boot! Arizona is getting a good one.

Whether it was his play on the diamond, those great Escobar Name Game videos or him talking about Fogo de Chao in all his postgame interviews (there's one in Scottsdale, I checked), Eduardo will be sorely missed across Twins Territory.

According to MLB Pipeline, Maciel ranked No. 11 in Arizona's system and Duran was the Diamondbacks 19th-best prospect. De La Trinidada was not listed among their top 30. In Baseball America's most-recent update of the Arizona rankings, Duran slotted in at No. 10. All three of those players were with Kane County, Arizona's affiliate in the Midwest League (same as the Cedar Rapids Kernels).

Here are links to their respective Baseball-Reference pages if you want to scope out their numbers: Jhoan Duran, Gabriel Macial and Ernie De La Trinidad.

This is difficult to do in the moment, but if you take your heart out of the equation, you have to recognize that Escobar is exactly the kind of player who it makes sense to deal at the deadline. Not only is he an impending free agent, but he's in the middle of a career year. Escobar's current OPS, .852, is nearly 100 points higher than he's posted in any other season and 130 points higher than his career mark.

UPDATE: He's not making it any easier to say goodbye ...

The Twins were riding high on the heels of an impressive 2-1 win at Boston last night, but their playoff odds still sat at just 1.6 percent, per FanGraphs. They are seven games back of Cleveland, who recently took measures to build up its biggest weakness.

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which would rank them 20th or so on any other MiLB league system

 

That simply isn't true........as FG says in their writeup, might have been a first round pick next year with numbers/stuff like this.

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NewClearHarley
Jul 27 2018 04:39 PM

 

I don't know what people were expecting for a utility INF for 2 months of rent......

Maybe a Mejia type that was at least going to be MLB bound before 2022

 

this is a fair take. I prefer to think that, while they just lost depth, they have not yet thrown in the towel....as Adrianza (sp?) can play 3B until Sano returns.

 

I understand your frustration. I like that they sold high on a guy for a change.

 

I don't know what people were expecting for a utility INF for 2 months of rent......

I'm not following, Mike.

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Don't care, provided the Twins make an earnest attempt to bring him back next season. 

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I feel bad for his friends in the clubhouse. 

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jul 27 2018 04:41 PM

 

Well, they sold high, which is all you can ask of management.

We could also ask them to quit selling top players at trade deadlines!

 

twice in two years

Bolstering the Cedar Rapids lineup for a MWL run, I guess.:)

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I'm not following, Mike.

 

they sold high. At his peak value. this could be an actual RP up fast, if they convert him sooner rather than later. with two flyers. That was his peak value.

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NewClearHarley
Jul 27 2018 04:45 PM

 

That simply isn't true........as FG says in their writeup, might have been a first round pick next year with numbers/stuff like this.

 

I hope you are right - I'll check into the FG reports right now I am going on other internet reports and write ups I have scoured on each of them. ie: fourth OF at best who will never hit MLB pitching, possible mid-rotation starter but likely back of bullpen power arm, and decent bat - but years away. I seriously thought that the Twins saw themselves targeting 2019 to compete for the division, this deal screams we don't think we have a chance next year either. The bigger question is wil the team punt on Gibby. If they do we know that we are heading down the complete rebuild rabbit hole. 

 

I hope you are right - I'll check into the FG reports right now I am going on other internet reports and write ups I have scoured on each of them. ie: fourth OF at best who will never hit MLB pitching, possible mid-rotation starter but likely back of bullpen power arm, and decent bat - but years away. I seriously thought that the Twins saw themselves targeting 2019 to compete for the division, this deal screams we don't think we have a chance next year either. The bigger question is wil the team punt on Gibby. If they do we know that we are heading down the complete rebuild rabbit hole. 

 

I understand people's frustrations.....but I don't think trading Escobar signals anything about 2019 at all. He was a FA to be, and they can try to re-sign him in the off season. 

 

I'm not even sure this is completely defeating for this year, since they have Sano coming back to play 3B soon.

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NewClearHarley
Jul 27 2018 04:47 PM

 

Don't care, provided the Twins make an earnest attempt to bring him back next season. 

 

100% agree - if we get him back and get some prospects for him - then this is a win win - I just really wished we would have gotten someone closer to playing at a higher level

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mngopherguy
Jul 27 2018 04:50 PM

 

Oh joy. More prospects. And not even a top 10 in their system. Quite the deal makers, this new front office. Throwing in the towel. 

 

It's too bad you give up so easily on these players, I think a couple of them could be nice players.  

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jul 27 2018 04:50 PM

 

Let’s look at it this way ...

If we were in contention, how would this board react to Severino, Thorpe, and a lottery ticket for a league average rental utility guy who was having a career year?

I do not share that assessment of Eduardo Escobar. 

 

I also doubt Severino is a good comp to the guys Arizona unloaded on us.

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Looks like a rough comparison in terms of Twins prospects would be:

 

Pearson

Balazovic

Jean Carlos Arias

 

Not close

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jul 27 2018 04:51 PM

 

I don't know what people were expecting for a utility INF for 2 months of rent......

exciting games in August? 

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mngopherguy
Jul 27 2018 04:54 PM

 

I understand people's frustrations.....but I don't think trading Escobar signals anything about 2019 at all. He was a FA to be, and they can try to re-sign him in the off season. 

 

I'm not even sure this is completely defeating for this year, since they have Sano coming back to play 3B soon.

 

Expendable is what Escobar is especially if Sano can do anything this year.  

Escobar was my favorite Twin for a number of years. It's disappointing to see him go.

 

I started paying attention to him after a blog post on Twins Daily by Brad Swanson.

http://twinsdaily.co...-the-eddie-400/

 

I think that article, which was written in the 2013-2014 offseason, is a great summary of why Escobar was so beloved in Twins Territory.

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MLB Pipeline now has Gabriel Maciel as 15th in the Twins' system now and Jhoan Duran 20th.

Duran has a plus plus fastball and an above average slider/curve, and toying with a change.As a starter he hit 98 in game situations.

 

I see him as a future closer, if his breaking ball kicks up one notch.And the future for him could be as close as 2020.

 

Now lets go sign Esco back thisoff-season as a FA for a super ulitity role to a 2-3 year contract.

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I totally understand why the Twins traded Eduardo. Seems like a decent return. I'm still sad about it.

 

Bollinger reports Sano is on his way to Boston.

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I totally understand why the Twins traded Eduardo. Seems like a decent return. I'm still sad about it.

 

Bollinger reports Sano is on his way to Boston.

 

Yep. He was out of the lineup last night Rochester. I figured something was up when they moved Sano up to AAA a week or so ago.

 

 

Escobar was my favorite Twin for a number of years. It's disappointing to see him go.

 

I started paying attention to him after a blog post on Twins Daily by Brad Swanson.

http://twinsdaily.co...-the-eddie-400/

 

I think that article, which was written in the 2013-2014 offseason, is a great summary of why Escobar was so beloved in Twins Territory.

 

 I give the FO credit for the courage to face fan enmity by making the move that had to be made- given how the circumstances aligned.

 

Never would have happened under previous management, Ryan and Co. would have likely overpaid for a well-liked/fan favorite who happened to be coming off of a career year.

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Tom Froemming
Jul 27 2018 05:06 PM

Just my quick snapshot of the return:

 

Duran is fun. Big fella, sounds like he's been clocked as high as 98 mph and can really spin his curve. Takes advantage of his size with a nice long stride. Overall numbers don't look great but both K/9 (9.9) and K:BB ratio (2.54) look good. Has faced older hitters 84.1 percent of the time. Exactly the type of guy you want to bring into your organization if you're confident in your ability to develop pitching. The jury is obviously still out on whether or not that's a trait you can ascribe to the Falvine era Twins, but I bet their very excited to have gotten their hands on this cat.

 

Maciel has some intrigue as well. He's only 19, but the switch hitter has a nice 16.0 K% and 9.6 BB%. Runs well, has 45 stolen bases in 180 career games. So he's got athleticism and baseball skills. I wonder if the Twins see some physical projection, because if he could add even a little power, he'll shoot up prospect lists. If not, I highly doubt we'll ever see him at Target Field. There's a lot more power than there are piranhas in today's game.

 

De La Trinidad is going to need to go up to Fort Myers. His numbers are good, he's got an advanced approach (48 Ks vs. 45 BBs) so he needs to be challenged. Encouraging to see he's held his own against LHP (.807 OPS). Again, I want to see what he can do in the FSL.

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exciting games in August? 

 

The rest of the team is responsible for less-meaningful games in August, not Escobar's departure.

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exciting games in August? 

 

If Sano comes back, and they don't trade Dozier.....won't that be likely anyway? Where does Escobar play when Sano comes back?

 

I just don't see this as throwing in the towel on the year.

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Bob Sacamento
Jul 27 2018 05:15 PM

Baseball America on Duran

 

Preseason

 

 

Ranked Arizona Diamondbacks #21 prospect after the 2017 season

Duran was skinny and throwing in the upper 80s when the D-backs signed him for $65,000 in December 2014, but he was bumping the upper 90s in 2017 and now represents one of the higher-upside arms in the system. Duran already averages about 94 mph with his fastball, but with a 6-foot-5 frame that could still add significant weight, scouts see projection remaining. Duran has three pitches. He can vary speeds on his curveball to the point that some scouts identified it as a slider. It's considered an above-average to plus pitch. His changeup is still developing but flashes plus. D-backs coaches wanted to see him learn to handle adversity within his outings better, rather than losing confidence when opposing hitters had success. Scouts say Duran has control over command at this point, and some see a back-end reliever if his command doesn't improve enough. If everything comes together, Duran has all the ingredients of a mid-rotation starter. He'll likely get his first crack at full-season ball at low Class A Kane County in 2018.

 

 

Midseason

 

 

Duran has big-time stuff, with a fastball in the upper-90s to go with a power curve. The change-up remains a work in progress. Most believe his future lies in the bullpen, but believers point to incremental improvements in hisfastball command and breaking ball quality and say more gains could be forthcoming. Duran likely will continue starting until he proves he can’t.

 

Now

Duran ranked No. 10 on BA's revamped D-Backs Top 10 Prospects list, on the strength of his big-time arsenal. He's coveted for his size, projectability and arm strength. His four-seam fastball reaches into the upper 90s and has peaked at 98 mph this season, and he's also shown a two-seam fastball in the low 90s that has flashed plus at low Class A Kane County. He has feel to spin his curveball, but the pitch still needs further refinement to keep hitters from picking it up early. His changeup is well below-average.

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