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REPORT: Twins to Trade Eduardo Escobar to Arizona

Multiple reports have confirmed that the Twins and Diamondbacks are in agreement on a deal that would send Eduardo Escobar to Arizona. Here's the return: Jhoan Duran, Ernie De La Trinidad and Gabriel Maciel.

There has been a lot of debate at the site the past few days about how things should play out as Tuesday's tread deadline approaches. If this deal is indeed finalized, it seems to be a clear indication the direction the team has chosen.
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News the two sides were close was originally relayed by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic on Twitter. Jon Heyman of Fancred confirmed there was indeed a deal being finalized.

John Gambadoro of Arizona Sports 98.7 has shared that three Diamondbacks minor leaguers will be headed over, though we're still waiting for names.

UPDATE: Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports has the details. The Twins are acquiring right-hander Jhoan Duran and outfielders Ernie De La Trinidad and Gabriel Maciel.

Over the past seven seasons, we've watched as Eduardo Escobar has blossomed from a pretty nondescript utility man into an everyday player who's on pace to set the all-time doubles record this year. It's been a fun journey, and I can only speak for myself, but he's a guy who I feel has endeared himself to the fans much more than the average ballplayer.

He was less of a professional baseball player who I enjoyed watching and more like a character on my favorite TV show. Always smiling, always having fun, always playing hard. And an entertainer to boot! Arizona is getting a good one.

Whether it was his play on the diamond, those great Escobar Name Game videos or him talking about Fogo de Chao in all his postgame interviews (there's one in Scottsdale, I checked), Eduardo will be sorely missed across Twins Territory.

According to MLB Pipeline, Maciel ranked No. 11 in Arizona's system and Duran was the Diamondbacks 19th-best prospect. De La Trinidada was not listed among their top 30. In Baseball America's most-recent update of the Arizona rankings, Duran slotted in at No. 10. All three of those players were with Kane County, Arizona's affiliate in the Midwest League (same as the Cedar Rapids Kernels).

Here are links to their respective Baseball-Reference pages if you want to scope out their numbers: Jhoan Duran, Gabriel Macial and Ernie De La Trinidad.

This is difficult to do in the moment, but if you take your heart out of the equation, you have to recognize that Escobar is exactly the kind of player who it makes sense to deal at the deadline. Not only is he an impending free agent, but he's in the middle of a career year. Escobar's current OPS, .852, is nearly 100 points higher than he's posted in any other season and 130 points higher than his career mark.

UPDATE: He's not making it any easier to say goodbye ...

The Twins were riding high on the heels of an impressive 2-1 win at Boston last night, but their playoff odds still sat at just 1.6 percent, per FanGraphs. They are seven games back of Cleveland, who recently took measures to build up its biggest weakness.

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I expected to see Escobar traded, but if this is the best we can get I don't hold much hope out for the trade prospects of our other short term assets. I really would not want to trade Gibson or Pressly since we have another year left with them, although I recognize our return could be greater. 

Amazing that we couldn't even break into another teams top 10 prospects. So disappointing.

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AlwaysinModeration
Jul 27 2018 03:39 PM

The AJ Pierzynski trade keeps on giving (Nathan/Bonser/Liriano --> Escobar --> Duran/Maciel. 

 

Sad to see Escobar go, he's been a real spark plug for this team.However, I love this move, because:

 

1)Sano is coming back to man third

2)Escobar is playing above is head

3)They targeted high upside guys...Duran could be great, Maciel could be the third Brazilian player

4)Traded to NL, don't need to worry about it biting the team

 

And I don't think we have to assume this means punt on the season.While Escobar brought fire to this team...remember that they have gone 13-5 in their past 18, and last year they got hot after Kintzler was traded.

 

I give this trade an A.

 

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As long as they started with Escobar, I say you might as well go all in with the blow up.  

 

I had the thought that if its only Lynn, Rodney, Duke, etc. than Twins are keeping the core intact just in case we get hot, but also trying to open up time for youngsters too.  

 

But you start by getting rid of a core guy like Escobar, and I hope they go all the way with it.Get creative and allow the entire 40 man to re-shuffle.

 

I do pause a bit on Gibson given we have needed pitching for so many years, but I won't be heartbroken either.  

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They get the MiLB players, and they get the same shot at resigning Eddie this winter as they have now.
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Garver benefits and gets to hit cleanup tonight.

Bringing back Sano could make this look like genius asset management if he returns to form.

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As long as they started with Escobar, I say you might as well go all in with the blow up.  

 

I had the thought that if its only Lynn, Rodney, Duke, etc. than Twins are keeping the core intact just in case we get hot, but also trying to open up time for youngsters too.  

 

But you start by getting rid of a core guy like Escobar, and I hope they go all the way with it.Get creative and allow the entire 40 man to re-shuffle.

 

I do pause a bit on Gibson given we have needed pitching for so many years, but I won't be heartbroken either.  

 

Agree - Escobar was a fun player to watch and root for and was key player to our team this year. Please also ship out or cut Dozier, Morrison, Lynn, Rodney and Duke. As far as whether this is a good trade or not - who knows.The odds of us doing anything this year were extremely low - the 3 players we got back are all in the low minors and not in Arizona's top 10 prospects. A pitcher with good K rate so may have some potential,an older outfielder who has a good batting eye, a young outfielder who can run and also has a good batting eye so at least that is encouraging. Good question on who plays 3B now - do we bring up Sano or Astrudillo?  

 

 

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This is practically my dream trade scenario for Esco.Duran is a nice get and factors in nicely with Balazovic, Enlow, and others young guys coming up for wave 2.He has big fastball, and the curve this organization likes.Young for A ball but a nice arm to dream on.

 

We don't have a ton of great center field talent so Maciel is a nice get.Only 19 in A ball and the OBP is nice but the OPS is a little light.Pretty young so he has time to change that.

 

Don't know any thing about De La Trinidad but seems like a guy with decent upside.

 

I think this is a very good deal for a rental.Just Duran alone is a worthy trade getting the other pieces is gravy.Nice job FO.

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Oh joy. More prospects. And not even a top 10 in their system. Quite the deal makers, this new front office. Throwing in the towel. 

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This makes me very sad. I get it's a business and this is how things go. But this makes me very, very sad. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

 

And if TD would let me, I'd have a dozen more crying emoticons.

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Well, at least now I have two teams to root for.  I've always kind of liked the Diamondbacks anyway.  Would love to see them stick it to the Dodgers, and any other of the Superteams in their way.

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I had really hoped they'd keep Escobar. But the return looks pretty good for 2 month of Escobar. None of them will need to be rule 5 protected. All are 22 or younger, MLB claims Duran has a #3 starterceiling,  Maciel has + speed and fielding and De La Trinidad has the offensive stats. Eduardo may be the 1st call the twins make once the free agent market open.

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Well, #11, #19 and I couldn’t find the other guy. Hope it works out for us, and wish you well Esco, we’ miss you.

 

those rankings are from before the year started, the number 11 guy would have been about 5-7, I'd guess, if he had stayed in AZ.

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This makes me very sad. I get it's a business and this is how things go. But this makes me very, very sad. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

 

And if TD would let me, I'd have a dozen more crying emoticons.

 

Escobar was my favorite Twin player - I hope we bring him back next year but doesn't seem likely or we would have resigned him earlier. 

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Minor league players for guys that can and does well in the Big is always a gamble.The Yanks trade their minor leagues for Big league talent all the time.Do you want to win now or chance it for later.I'm getting a little tired of waiting.Sorry but the F.O. failed us this year. 

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I know playoff hopes are a long shot however I think this is a terrible move! Esco was the heart and soul of this clubhouse. I hope they hit on some of these guys,if they sign him back in the offseason it will take the sting away.Go Dbacks! 

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ScooterDance
Jul 27 2018 04:23 PM
Let’s look at it this way ...

If we were in contention, how would this board react to Severino, Thorpe, and a lottery ticket for a league average rental utility guy who was having a career year?
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Minor league players for guys that can and does well in the Big is always a gamble.The Yanks trade their minor leagues for Big league talent all the time.Do you want to win now or chance it for later.I'm getting a little tired of waiting.Sorry but the F.O. failed us this year. 

 

the yankees literally built their system up by trading Chapman, while being over .500 a couple years ago. They sold high, and got good players.......

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Let’s look at it this way ...

If we were in contention, how would this board react to Severino, Thorpe, and a lottery ticket for a league average rental utility guy who was having a career year?

 

I'd be very disappointed in teh Twins.

Prospect ranking for guys this age are deceiving.Miranda, Balazovic, and Moran are low on our list but do you think they will they will stay that low as they mature?Severino was barley top 30 last year and now rates 17 in our system.A lot of what the Twins got is based on projection not where they are right now.Also getting guys further along might have had rule V consequences or needing to find a 40 man spot.You can't just go totally off rankings with younger players.Mark my words Duran is a good get in and of himself.

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I could not be more disappointed in this move.

 

Not only a very iffy return, but I hate throwing in the towel. Hate it. Don't care about playoff odds, or any of that hoohah. 

 

 

    • glunn, Mike Sixel, Raven and 2 others like this
No problem trading Escobar...but for low-A guys?

I don't know what people were expecting for a utility INF for 2 months of rent......

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NewClearHarley
Jul 27 2018 04:36 PM

 

those rankings are from before the year started, the number 11 guy would have been about 5-7, I'd guess, if he had stayed in AZ.

which would rank them 20th or so on any other MiLB league system

 

I could not be more disappointed in this move.

 

Not only a very iffy return, but I hate throwing in the towel. Hate it. Don't care about playoff odds, or any of that hoohah. 

 

this is a fair take. I prefer to think that, while they just lost depth, they have not yet thrown in the towel....as Adrianza (sp?) can play 3B until Sano returns.

 

I understand your frustration. I like that they sold high on a guy for a change.

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