Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

The Forums

Twins Daily 2021 Top Prospects: Recap

Twins Minor League Talk Today, 07:29 AM
What did we learn while updating our annual Twins top prospect rankings after a year that offered no minor-league games, and very little...
Full topic ›

Hopefully Simmons "issues" are not like Romero...

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 06:57 AM
Per multiple sources, new Minnesota Twins shortstop Andrelton Simmons has been delayed to the team's camp by visa issues. The exact detai...
Full topic ›

Timeline for Top Prospects: 2021 Edition

Twins Minor League Talk Today, 06:21 AM
The Minnesota Twins will enter 2021 as one of the best teams in baseball, and whether they’re projected to win the AL Central or not, a f...
Full topic ›

A Good Comp for Jhoan Duran and His Splinker

Twins Minor League Talk Yesterday, 11:54 PM
Getting one’s head around the unusual profile of Twins pitching prospect Jhoan Duran can be tricky. It might be helpful to use a starter...
Full topic ›

Twins Daily 2021 Top Prospects: #7 SS Keoni Cavaco

Twins Minor League Talk Yesterday, 11:54 PM
Yes, we are still high on Keoni Cavaco, our #7 Twins prospect for 2021. Let's take a look at what's to like (a lot), what's to work on (a...
Full topic ›

Recent Blogs


Notebook: Hall of Fame Voting, Free Agent Signings and a Farewell

The Hall of Fame voting results were announced, a few more big MLB signings were reported and another long-time Twin signed with a new organization Tuesday. Read about it all in tonight's notebook.
Image courtesy of © Robert Hanashiro-USA TODAY Sports
Twins sign Simba
The Twins added four-time Gold Glove Award-winning shortstop Andrelton Simmons on a one-year, $10.5 million deal. Check out our full write-up here. Below is a replay of a live stream Twins Daily's Seth Stohs, Matthew Taylor and Nate Palmer recorded shortly after the move was announced.



Hall of Fame results announced... zero players make it in


No one makes it into the Hall of Fame which has been expected for a while, but still weird to see. Barry Bonds, the home run king, remains outside the hall for another year with just one chance left. Should players like Bonds and Schilling be voted in despite their actions? Leave a comment below and let us know!

If you're in need of a laugh...


Marcus Semien lands in Toronto

Shortstop Marcus Semien signed a one year, $18 million contract with the Blue Jays today. Semien was a known target for the Twins basically all offseason. Didn't take them long to pivot to Simmons.


J.T. Relmuto breaks a Joe Mauer record

Another free agent deal was announced today, as catcher J.T. Realmuto re-signed with the Phillies on a five year, $115.5 million contract. The annual salary will be $23.1 million, which breaks Joe Mauer's $23 million per year as a catcher. It always seemed inevitable that Realmuto ended up back in Philly, but it's a shorter contract than what he wanted.


Goodbye Ehire Adrianza

Infielder Ehire Adrianza and the Twins officially said goodbye after four seasons together. Adrianza signed a minor league deal with the Atlanta Braves after the Twins seemingly had little to no interest.

Adrianza had a pretty productive time in Minnesota for what he was asked to do. His best season was 2019 when he hit .272/.349/.416 (.765) with five home runs, but one big one that we can remember.


SEE ALSO
2021 Winter Meltdown Pint Glasses On Sale Now
Tales from the Central: Cleveland Indians
Who’s the Top Twins Prospect? Alex Kirilloff vs. Royce Lewis

  • mikelink45 likes this

  • Share:
  • submit to reddit
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

22 Comments

Schilling isn't mad, no sir. Why, in fact, he finds the whole thing funny and it's probably you who are mad

    • whosafraidofluigirussolo likes this

Very happy with the signing of Simmons and at practically half the price it took Toronto to sign Semien.

 

There's always a bit of an empty feeling when nobody makes the Hall of Fame.

Bonds and Clemens don't bother me.  

They were cheaters, plain and simple.

But Schilling is a different story.

Not once have I ever read of a former teammate accusing him of being a racist.

Not one former teammate has described him as the most vile person he ever knew.

Schilling's sin apparently is that he has political beliefs that offend many in the press

 

Is THIS where we are as a country now?Apparently so.Cancel Culture to the max

 

Reverse Schilling's situation for a moment.

 

"Lebron James is probably not going to get into the Basketball Hall of Fame.

LeBron's obvious "sellout" to China to enrich himself when he declined to call out the Communist Chinese Government for their oppressive treatment of many ethnic groups as well as his outspoken support for far left groups like BLM and Antifa and his obvious vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 Presidential Election have effectively disqualified James from ever being voted into the Basketball Hall of Fame"said many NBA Hall of Fame voters who consider themselves the ultimate arbiters of what is good and decent and what is immoral and deplorable in a human being."  

 

"Though LeBron's on court accomplishments are undeniable, he just doesn't measure up"said Hall of Fame voter Blizten McGurdy.  

 

I have to admire Schilling's statement basically telling the hall of fame voters "go take a flying leap at a rolling donut.""I don't need you to validate my life.'

    • Jpete, Heiny and Out State Twin like this

 

 


But Schilling is a different story.

Not once have I ever read of a former teammate accusing him of being a racist.

Not one former teammate has described him as the most vile person he ever knew.

Schilling's sin apparently is that he has political beliefs that offend many in the press

 

 

Dude, Schilling collects Nazi memorabilia. Only two people collect Nazi memorabilia: Museums and Nazis.

    • mikelink45 likes this
Photo
strumdatjaguar
Jan 27 2021 08:42 AM
I think Schilling should be in the Hall. Still, his baseball career is not equivalent to the supreme excellence of LeBron James.
Nevertheless, Schilling would point out that he collects WW2 memorabilia in general, not just Nazi memorabilia. There have been Civil War history enthusiasts (called Civil War Buffs, remember) who in the past collected notability for both sides and even conducted battle re-enactments. There are history enthusiasts who have followed all types of scoundrels through history. While Vlad the Impaler and the leaders of the Spanish Inquisition are certainly detestable, they are much more interesting historical figures to study than some benevolent monarchs who boosted local agriculture during their reigns. I don’t have a problem with any of this, but understand that society has become touchy about it. Now for those who disagree with this post, go back to reading that newspaper story about the serial killer while you skip the story about the Nun who has helped the homeless.
    • TopGunn#22 and Heiny like this

I think Schilling should be in the Hall. Still, his baseball career is not equivalent to the supreme excellence of LeBron James.
Nevertheless, Schilling would point out that he collects WW2 memorabilia in general, not just Nazi memorabilia. There have been Civil War history enthusiasts (called Civil War Buffs, remember) who in the past collected notability for both sides and even conducted battle re-enactments. There are history enthusiasts who have followed all types of scoundrels through history. While Vlad the Impaler and the leaders of the Spanish Inquisition are certainly detestable, they are much more interesting historical figures to study than some benevolent monarchs who boosted local agriculture during their reigns. I don’t have a problem with any of this, but understand that society has become touchy about it. Now for those who disagree with this post, go back to reading that newspaper story about the serial killer while you skip the story about the Nun who has helped the homeless.

As just a regular poster, I'll say this: I actually wouldn't compare Schilling to anyone in history. He's a former ball player, not a historical figure, good or bad. And nor would I compare the Hall of Fame and its process for admittance, to any event in history, either.

As to the merits or not of getting into the hall? Eh, there are some in the Hall I think are questionable to even being there, and several who should and aren't. I don't have a solution for changing that, but at this point, I don't really care who is in or who isn't.

And, further, isn't there something in there about character? I don't know, but there are more question marks for me about Schilling than his personal political stances. Based on baseball merits alone, he should probably be in. But if there is other criteria being considered? Eh, don't know ... and that is very subjective, so unless there are more guidelines to that ...

As I said, perhaps it is time to review how someone is/isn't elected to the Hall.

As a moderator, I'll say this to everyone ... stick to topic and tread lightly. It's possible to make general remarks about Schilling, whether you agree or disagree, without finding yourself too far into the weeds of a political discussion, whether in defense or admonishment. And please ... rebut the post and don't weigh in on the character or tone of other posters. Use the report feature if you feel remarks have become too personal.
    • nicksaviking, LanceJS and VivaBomboRivera! like this

Even more than Schilling falling short (and yes, he may have some questionable traits - not politics, but attitudes.) I get tired of the rejection of the all time HR king and one of the best RHP ever simply because they "cheated." Get over it.#1 - if it is that important to keep out anyone who is suspected, then why are Pudge Rodriguez, Piazza and Bagwell in?#2 - any reasoning for keeping them out was invalidated when their enabler Bud Selig was inducted.#3.David Ortiz is eligible next year.He should not be inducted either.After all, a) he failed as many drug tests as Bonds and Clemens (all of them failed zero), B) he had a sudden body change and dramatically increased production (always felt he just found better substances in Boston than Minnesota) and c) he was named on the Mitchell report.Yes, he claimed innocence and vowed to get whomever implicated him.How's that search going?About as well as OJ Simpson's search for the real killer of Nicole Brown.But of course, Ortiz will be in easily - so no, this isn't about "cheating", PEDs or anything like that - it's about personalities, period.  

    • Vanimal46 likes this

As for the other news - I was very happy to see the signing of Simmons.HUGE upgrade defensively and if Polonco can come close to his 2019 offense by playing wherever he has to be plugged in, so much the better.  

For HOF voting, it is up to the hall on if off field things are something that would bar you.If you gaged players that are in by todays standards they would not be.Cobb for example.Personally, I do not feel Shilling had the numbers to get in, even if you take away his after career issues.He was very good pitcher but it is more so his post season and longevity that he is known for.I would not be upset either way for him, but feel it is not just his political views that are keeping him out.

 

In terms of Bonds and Clemons.I would support them being in.They did take steroids, and by all accounts late in career, so did just about all of baseball it would seem.The were putting of HOF numbers before their expected use.Did it make their numbers go up even higher, most likely, but even if you take the last few years from them, you still would say they were both the best of their era, when everyone was juicing.That is just my take.

 

In terms the FA signings.It seems the dominos are starting to fall, which that happens every off-season.One player/team sets the markets for positions and then players fly off the board. 

    • LanceJS and SkyBlueWaters like this

those who admitted to using Illegal/banned I put differently than those who use prior to testing and those who are suspected of using.......

 

Without the proof opens a slippery slope.....but for me Bonds, AROD...not a chance...AROD specifically suspended...why would you take after the whole first round, then testing.....WOW....

 

Should not allowed to be around the game....as bad as Rose betting on baseball....broke the written rules......you are out of consideration.  

    • TopGunn#22 likes this
Photo
strumdatjaguar
Jan 27 2021 10:31 AM
Bonds is not personally liked by a number of the the Sportswriters. That is as much of a reason as the ‘roids. Are nice guys with lesser numbers more deserving? If so, then Torrii Hunter and Michael Cuddyer should be at the head of the class. I think the Hall is more interesting with a rogues gallery, anyways. Ty Cobb and Cap Anson are in it. Schilling’s numbers are worthy., so don’t let him be taken out snd vote him in anyways (his sour grapes induction speech will make the Hall more interesting). Maybe I’m crazy, but reinstate Pete Rose (another guy with a less congenial personality - especially compared to his teammates Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan).
Big HOF, small HOF, I don’t care. The voting process is a way for sports writers to put themselves on a pedestal and think they’re doing important work. Look at Tom Verducci. Dude literally made a promo video like he was signing a peace treaty for the world.

    • TopGunn#22, Heiny and LanceJS like this
Photo
nicksaviking
Jan 27 2021 10:48 AM

I like the HOF, mostly for the history and the displays, the busts are cool, but I don't really care who has them. "Getting In" is kind of a silly phrase anyway as there are tons of non-HOFers with displays and artifacts that are in fact in the HOF. If there hasn't been already, someday there will surely be an exhibit about the steroid era; I remember one about the Black Sox scandal, and it's probably still there.

 

Anyway, the thought of Bonds and Clemmons getting in used to bother me, it doesn't anymore. But I'll also say, I'm not going to feel sorry that some guys don't get busts when they knew getting caught meant they almost certainly weren't getting a bust. Seems kind of like catching your kid stealing a cookie, and then rewarding him with another cookie. But whatever, those guys are somebody else's kids, they can deal with them as they please.

    • TopGunn#22 likes this

I really like the Simmons' signing. They needed to get better defensively at SS and the difference with Polanco is striking. That said, I really hope we see Royce Lewis this year enough to get a sense if he is ready. 

 

As for Schilling, I think he pretty clearly deserves to be in the HOF based on his performance. Not just due to the regular season WAR of 80.5, but add in 11-2 2.23 ERA, .97 WHIP in the postseason. Plus, 5-0 with a 1.73 ERA in postseason elimination games. I understand and agree with exclusions for gambling on the games or using steroids, but I hate to see it for someone being an outspoken conservative. 

    • TopGunn#22 likes this
Maybe I just don't remember well enough but wasn't it basically ok to use steroids in baseball until GW Bush made it a statement during The State of The Union in like 2004. I hate that Bonds is the Homerun king. I loved Aaron and think the world of him. It is what it is though. MLB basically greenlighted using steroids and frankly, I can't blame the players for taking. It's easy to say from my couch I would never use but you toss in fat stacks of cash who really knows. If there was something I could take to increase my annual salary $20k would I? I'd like to think I wouldn't but to me, 20k is a ton of money. Ethical behavior is easy to analyze but hard to practice.

We're currently in a situation where many pitchers are using substances to increase spin rates. Cole in NY has the largest contract in history because of it. Bauer is about to get a huge deal because of it. Putting something on the ball is basically ok as long as it's hidden well enough. Is doctoring a baseball worse that steroids or hitting a trash can? I think it's in the same conversation myself. Though many will say they want the pitchers to use it for the batters safety. If so, make it above board.

Uff, that got long.
    • TopGunn#22 and Heiny like this

It really doesn't matter.Of course I would not let Schilling in and I would be fearful of what he might say at the Microphone, but in the long run none of this matters.

 

Does anyone talk about Earl Averill, Chief Bender, or Earle Combs?No, but they are all HOF players.We talk about Shoeless Joe Jackson, but what about his contemporaries?George Sisler? Carl Mays? Harry Heilmann who might have been as good a batter?  

 

Pete Rose is an annual conversation icon.But is Tony Perez, Ryne Sandberg, Dave Concepcion part of the annual conversation - two are in the HOF.

 

So we obsess over Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, but during their time of controversy we have put in Whitey Herzog, Deacon White, Alan Trammell while they have been on the voting list and I do not seem them in conversation except Trammell when they talk about Whitaker not being in. 

 

So in many ways they have been done a favor, they will have more attention than Larry Walker for much longer.

    • SQUIRREL likes this

I never could understand why Hall Of Fame candidates are on the ballot for so long. If they don't make it after 3 years on the ballot, they should be gone. After all, they don't get any better. I would still put Bonds and Clemens and even Sosa in the Hall. I also would have voted for Helton and Sheffield. How they can leave Helton off with his stats is a mystery to me. But I would set minimum standards for automatic entry into the Hall and dump much of the writer's voting if I were in charge. However many are held out because of their character which has increased in importance in recent years. That's why Visquel is out.

Photo
Longdistancetwins
Jan 27 2021 08:23 PM

 

I never could understand why Hall Of Fame candidates are on the ballot for so long. If they don't make it after 3 years on the ballot, they should be gone. After all, they don't get any better. 

But didn’t it take Harmon 4 tries?;)

    • TopGunn#22, mikelink45 and dex8425 like this

 

Even more than Schilling falling short (and yes, he may have some questionable traits - not politics, but attitudes.) I get tired of the rejection of the all time HR king and one of the best RHP ever simply because they "cheated." Get over it.#1 - if it is that important to keep out anyone who is suspected, then why are Pudge Rodriguez, Piazza and Bagwell in?#2 - any reasoning for keeping them out was invalidated when their enabler Bud Selig was inducted.#3.David Ortiz is eligible next year.He should not be inducted either.After all, a) he failed as many drug tests as Bonds and Clemens (all of them failed zero), :cool: he had a sudden body change and dramatically increased production (always felt he just found better substances in Boston than Minnesota) and c) he was named on the Mitchell report.Yes, he claimed innocence and vowed to get whomever implicated him.How's that search going?About as well as OJ Simpson's search for the real killer of Nicole Brown.But of course, Ortiz will be in easily - so no, this isn't about "cheating", PEDs or anything like that - it's about personalities, period.  

 

 

Agreed. My stance on PED users has changed over time. Initially I wouldn't have voted for any of them, suspected or not.Since Bud Selig is in there now, and Piazza, and Pudge, and everybody is going to vote for Ortiz, why not put Sosa in? Sosa's PED suspicion is the exact same as Big Papi. The league wasn't enforcing it at all. There was no testing. We don't even know what Sosa tested positive for. 

 

 

As for Schilling, I hate both the press he is getting, because it's not about his accomplishments on the baseball field, and the fact that he's an obvious HOF'er and won't be voted in by the writers because they don't like him personally. I don't like him personally either, but I would vote for him because he's a huge part of baseball in the 2000's, especially the postseason. 

    • LanceJS likes this

 

I never could understand why Hall Of Fame candidates are on the ballot for so long. If they don't make it after 3 years on the ballot, they should be gone. After all, they don't get any better. I would still put Bonds and Clemens and even Sosa in the Hall. I also would have voted for Helton and Sheffield. How they can leave Helton off with his stats is a mystery to me. But I would set minimum standards for automatic entry into the Hall and dump much of the writer's voting if I were in charge. However many are held out because of their character which has increased in importance in recent years. That's why Visquel is out.

 

 

If you look at when guys get in, the usual is 1st ballot, like Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Ken Griffey Jr. If you're not first ballot, then you get in the second year. Like Guerrero or Carlton Fisk. If you're not second, you get in the third year, or you have to wait until your final year of eligibility. 

 

I agree we could reduce the # of years guys are on the ballot, but only if you can vote for more than 10 players. Often there is a logjam and a deserving player has to wait for other more deserving players to get in until there's a lean year, then he gets in (Larry Walker). 

 

There was no Larry Walker on this years' ballot. 

 

I wouldn't have voted for Vizquel because he's a poor hitter, only has 45 WAR despite playing forever, and isn't in the same defensive realm as Ozzie Smith or Andrelton Simmons. 

 

For HOF voting, it is up to the hall on if off field things are something that would bar you.If you gaged players that are in by todays standards they would not be.Cobb for example.Personally, I do not feel Shilling had the numbers to get in, even if you take away his after career issues.He was very good pitcher but it is more so his post season and longevity that he is known for.I would not be upset either way for him, but feel it is not just his political views that are keeping him out.

 

In terms of Bonds and Clemons.I would support them being in.They did take steroids, and by all accounts late in career, so did just about all of baseball it would seem.The were putting of HOF numbers before their expected use.Did it make their numbers go up even higher, most likely, but even if you take the last few years from them, you still would say they were both the best of their era, when everyone was juicing.That is just my take.

 

In terms the FA signings.It seems the dominos are starting to fall, which that happens every off-season.One player/team sets the markets for positions and then players fly off the board. 

You can't actually think Schilling's numbers aren't good enough to get him in. He has 3100 something strikeouts. Every pitcher with more is in the hall, except Roger Clemens. He has 80 WAR, almost twice as much as Jack Morris. He is arguably the greatest postseason pitcher in modern baseball history. He has 3 world series rings. If he doesn't get in, he would be easily the best pitcher not named Roger Clemens to be left out of the hall of fame. 

 

Arguments against? Well, he never won a cy young, but he had three second place finishes and would have won two if his teammate wasn't Randy Johnson, who won two. Dozens of HOF pitchers don't have a cy young and many never finished top 2 or top 3. I suppose you could argue his ERA is relatively high. But his park adjusted ERA+ is 127, which is the same as Tom Seaver and Bob Gibson. He pitched in Fenway during the steroid era. 

 

He's not in because of character issues, period. 

    • LanceJS likes this

 

If you look at when guys get in, the usual is 1st ballot, like Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Ken Griffey Jr. If you're not first ballot, then you get in the second year. Like Guerrero or Carlton Fisk. If you're not second, you get in the third year, or you have to wait until your final year of eligibility. 

 

I agree we could reduce the # of years guys are on the ballot, but only if you can vote for more than 10 players. Often there is a logjam and a deserving player has to wait for other more deserving players to get in until there's a lean year, then he gets in (Larry Walker). 

 

There was no Larry Walker on this years' ballot. 

 

I wouldn't have voted for Vizquel because he's a poor hitter, only has 45 WAR despite playing forever, and isn't in the same defensive realm as Ozzie Smith or Andrelton Simmons. 

 

Being a Twins site, think of this, for those who don't know:Harmon Killebrew, who retired 4th on the all-time HR list and was hitting most them in an era when pitching dominated, had to wait until his 4th year of eligibility to get elected.So yes, I understand why a player can be on the ballot longer than just that first time. 

 

Being a Twins site, think of this, for those who don't know:Harmon Killebrew, who retired 4th on the all-time HR list and was hitting most them in an era when pitching dominated, had to wait until his 4th year of eligibility to get elected.So yes, I understand why a player can be on the ballot longer than just that first time. 

Voting is and always has been weird. Killer's first year there was Bob Gibson, then in his second year, Hank Aaron and Frank Robinson. His third year had Brooks Robinson. But Killebrew was arguably the most feared hitter of his era and should have been first ballot. 

    • LanceJS likes this