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Game Thread: Twins @ Milwaukee, 8/12/2020, 6:10PM CT

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 08:32 PM
      Good evening and welcome back to the always fun Twins Daily Game Thread! Get ready for some exciting baseball actio...
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Ump Jerry Meals is Unstoppable!

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 07:20 PM
I figured the star of the show last night deserved some special attention.  
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Where are they now? Ex-Twins in 2020

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 08:20 PM
I said in the 2019 thread that I would start this forum thread...    Let's start populating it. How many former Twins are on ro...
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2020 Twins Transactions

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 04:11 PM
There haven't been many yet, but I'll start this today...   The Twins just announced that Zack Littell (hamstring) has been placed o...
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Marlins: 14 positive Covid cases, home opener cancelled...

Other Baseball Today, 02:25 PM
Before the season started, I was wondering about what would happen if the virus started spreading like wildfire in a clubhouse. Well here...
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Multiple St. Louis Cardinals Test Positive for COVID-19

Saturday Update: Trevor Plouffe woke up and said there was more bad news today. Reports are now that one more player (3 total), two coaches and one other staffer tested positive.
Per John Heyman, the St. Louis Cardinals have multiple positive COVID-19 tests within the organization, and their game tonight with the Brewers has been postponed. Saturday, former Twin Trevor Plouffe reported at least four more Cardinals tested positive.
The Cardinals completed a two-game series with the Twins on Wednesday, and their current opponent, the Cleveland Indians, used the same visiting facilities yesterday that the Cardinals used Wednesday. At the very least this suggests that some portion of the Twins’ series versus Cleveland is in jeopardy.

We’ll update this story as news breaks.

Chris Long of KSTP reported that Twins players and staff should know the results of recent tests by game time.



SATURDAY

Right away on Saturday morning, reports have come out that at least four more Cardinals players have tested positive for COVID.



Plouffe's report has been confirmed by multiple other sources.

On a more hopeful note, no Phillies players have tested positive today, per Jon Heyman. So while the virus has spread across the Marlins roster, the team they played against does not appear to have been impacted at this time. Hopefully this will also turn out to be the case for the Twins.

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Sorry guys, it's blowing up. This should be an instructive lesson for pro basketball, pro football, pro hockey, etc. You just can't do pro sports during a deadly viral pandemic, no matter how hard we wish for it.

 

What indications do you have to believe that the NHL & NBA won't be able to do their seasons? I'd be interested in learning.

 

During the early days of the pandemic, MLB talked about keeping all of the teams in host cities, like other sports have since done. Phoenix and cities in Florida were mentioned.

 

I get that this changed, especially when Forida and Arizona got hit hard by COVID 19. 

 

But it was still so very much the right idea on what to do. 

 

It was also my sense that the players themselves disliked the idea, preferring to be able to see their families. 

 

I get that it is a sacrifice. But with a little hindsight, it now sure seems like the right thing to have done ... or to still do. If MLB is serious about having a 2020 season, including those playoffs the owners are so eager for, they've got to put these athletes and staff in bubbles.

That still might be the best idea, but outside of Spring Training sites, where is there a collection of enough fields with ML dimensions to do this? I think at best, they put each division in a city so that the only travel required is the inter-league games.

 

The issue with this is that you'd have 2-3 games per day in each stadium, two of which would be in the daytime. The whole point of this is for TV $. In any event, it's probably too late to go that route. They either plow forward with the current plan using taxi squads or pull the plug.

I'll say this regarding some of the statements on the thread:

 

1. I think the "bubble concept" was impossible with MLB. The outdoor Spring Training sites are in Florida and Arizona, it's like 100 degrees there and if you're playing 3-4 games per stadium in areas like that, you've got lots of day games in unbearable heat. Sure, you could have picked 5 "regional sites" and just gone from there, but at that point you've only got like six teams playing each other all year. Baseball tried to do their best to have ACTUAL BASEBALL. The NBA is hosting a tournament, it's not even the same.

 

2. "Multiple Cardinals" really just means "two players". That's it. This isn't a Marlins situation. At least not yet, so let's pump the brakes on whether or not there's some kind of outbreak.

 

3. This is what the MLB bargained for when they set the season in place. They have disinfected clubhouses, they have players wearing masks, half the team isn't in the dugout, and they've got guys on a taxi squad so players can be replaced quickly. BUT they seem to not want to just let the wheels turn with the current system. I think reporters/media love to break this type of news and add about five exclamation points - BREAKING NEWS!!! like some kind of asteroid is on the way. Mass panic. ESPN does a full day of coverage. It's almost like if the Indians choose to play tonight, they are going to be considered reckless.

 

4. Should baseball just fold? Give up? Frankly I think they could power through if they were a bit less image-conscious and a bit more about playing ball. But like anything else right now, this is going to come down to Public Relations. Nobody wants to look like they're taunting the Boogeyman right now.

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SF Twins Fan
Jul 31 2020 04:17 PM

 

Sorry guys, it's blowing up. This should be an instructive lesson for pro basketball, pro football, pro hockey, etc. You just can't do pro sports during a deadly viral pandemic, no matter how hard we wish for it.

 

You might actually want to look into the facts before you sound off on all sports.

 

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notoriousgod71
Jul 31 2020 04:30 PM

https://sports.yahoo...-210743171.html

 

 

Well, we better take the next three against Cleveland to clinch our division championship!

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What indications do you have to believe that the NHL & NBA won't be able to do their seasons? I'd be interested in learning.

Indications?? How about average physical collisions per minute? Even as a kid I could tell you the order of violence. Football by far was the worst, with regular concussions and injured limbs, every game. Second was soccer, with constant feet smacking together, lots of leg tackles, pushing and shoving, etc. Third and fourth were basketball and hockey, and somewhere around fifth was baseball, a relatively safe sport. Only tennis and golf were safer.

 

As far as spreading Corona with maximum physical contact, I'd start with kid wrestling, all combat sports, then football (face to face collisions on every play) basketball (constant contact around basket, indoors), hockey, etc. Because these men are going all out, there's no way masks would help them. Look what is happening to baseball - a relatively low contact sport, played outdoors, now with empty stands. Still, two teams are now stricken. Were they doing anything different than the Twins are doing? 

 

Anyway, if you can imagine how radically increasing player proximity to other players, plus regular hard physical collisions, plus men sweating furiously, gasping for breath, throwing off spit and sweat particles in all directions... how all that could spread Corona more efficiently than men spaced out on a baseball field, there's you indication. I predict those sports will grind to a halt within two weeks. 

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strumdatjaguar
Jul 31 2020 05:32 PM
Then again, ask yourself. How many persons close to you have tested positive for the virus. I know two who have tested negative. One of those was ME prior to elective surgery. The nurse at the office that tested me said they had two positive tests out of 600 people they tested (601 including me I guess). Nevertheless, MLB should have used the bubble method in 3 or 4 areas with two close ballparks (Chicago, NYC, Baltimore-Washington, Bay Area, L.A.).
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Nine of twelve
Jul 31 2020 06:13 PM

 

, they have players wearing masks,

Yeahright. Did you see the dugouts during the last week? Maskless players sitting with their faces less than 2 feet apart conversing extensively. Baseball people have never been known for being cerebral, but it has been hugely disappointing to me how ignorant teams have been. Everyone--EVERY ONE-- in the dugout should be wearing a mask.

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You may think that 99% sounds good. Now, write down the name of 100 people you know. Then cross one name off and say goodbye forever. An uncle of mine tested positive and passed away less than a week later. With the number of positive tests within MLB someone's going to become seriously ill and/or die. It's just a matter of time.

 

Come on. Don't use incorrect statistics that were used against you to further your own point. It just makes everyone dumber.

I stated about a month ago on this site that we were in the "bargaining" phase of our grieving process and nothing that has happened since in the whole country... to include baseball... has dissuaded me from this opinion.

Our society is behaving like petulant teenagers with entirely predictable outcomes.

Come on. Don't use incorrect statistics that were used against you to further your own point. It just makes everyone dumber.


It was the post he was responding to that was the egregious post. The 99% came from the other person. What the poster you quoted did was to emphasize what 1% means and should not be disregarded so callously as what the other poster implied. And the use of quote marks around “gets it” was either a misuse of quote marks, or further spreads misinformation with the implication that this is really nothing. That said, you are correct in that everyone needs to contain their comments as it relates to baseball. If you want to discuss broader issues of the virus, there is a dedicated thread in the Sports Bar forum. But callousness and disregard toward the seriousness of this situation, specifically or generally, will not be tolerated at TD.

MODERATOR NOTE TO ALL: This is not a general discussion of COVID-19. This discussion, as is with any baseball forum discussion, needs to stay as it relates to the subject of baseball. If you want to discuss the virus in more general terms, please visit the Sports Bar forum where there is an ongoing thread. However, let me be clear, be very careful. No matter how few you think get seriously ill, have lifetime complications, or die, do not treat that insignificantly or callously. People are affected by this one way or another and you don’t know who here has or how they have, so be mindful and respectful of that.
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And the Twins aren’t considering quarantine??
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They were able to complete soccer seasons in Spain, England, Italy, etc. without any major outbreaks, and there is a LOT more close physical contact in soccer than baseball.

 

My conclusion: MLB is proving inept and providing and enforcing a protocol that keeps players from getting/spreading COVID. 

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Nine of twelve
Aug 01 2020 11:01 AM

 

My conclusion: MLB is proving inept and providing and enforcing a protocol that keeps players from getting/spreading COVID. 

Bingo. Inept is the accurate descriptor.

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iowaguychris
Aug 01 2020 01:43 PM

Doesn't personal accountability play a role here?The Twins have something that could be special for this year.Didn't Rocco, and then Nelson stand up before the season started to share with the players that they need to make sure they are keeping themselves safe?If not - they should have.This virus is out there, and for the greater good of the team - players need to stay home, and keep themselves isolated.When playing - give up the high fives and such for a year.Wear the masks - sure they suck, but it all starts with one, just ONE player being exposed to it to negatively impact the entire team if they were to pass it on.They also should hold each other accountable, I hope they are doing just that.

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SkyBlueWaters
Aug 02 2020 03:04 PM

 

I'll say this regarding some of the statements on the thread:

 

1. I think the "bubble concept" was impossible with MLB. The outdoor Spring Training sites are in Florida and Arizona, it's like 100 degrees there and if you're playing 3-4 games per stadium in areas like that, you've got lots of day games in unbearable heat. Sure, you could have picked 5 "regional sites" and just gone from there, but at that point you've only got like six teams playing each other all year. Baseball tried to do their best to have ACTUAL BASEBALL. The NBA is hosting a tournament, it's not even the same.

 

 

 

First, I really hope you are right. I hope the full 60 games are played for everyone, and we have no further postponements.

 

What concerns me is how one Marlin (the commissioner says they know who he is, but obviously are respecting privacy) introduced the virus which rippled through the schedules of several teams.

 

How is it the NCAA can host multiple teams for the college world series but MLB, which is experimenting so much already--extra innings starting with runners in scoring position, 7 inning doubleheaders, etc., couldn't take similar quarantine measures? Is there some need for larger stadia that I'm missing? 

 

Again, I really hope they play all the games. I'm just concerned about another outbreak. The point wouldn't be to stop all travel, but to further what MLB has already done, minimizing travel, keeping people safe. I get that the regional networks want evening games. I don't think that would be so hard.

 

I'm glad they're playing. So much bleak news of late. It's a joy to see the game again. A friend who initially disliked the cardboard cutouts now has grown used to them and compares it to the Sgt. Pepper album cover. Fun to see.

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