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MIN 7, DET 6: Jake Cave Rakes, Twins Take Division Lead

Jake Cave had a big night in support of Kenta Maeda as the Twins beat the Tigers 7-6 Wednesday night. The victory combined with another White Sox loss puts the Twins back on top of the American League Central standings.
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Box Score
Maeda: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 9 K
Home Runs: Cave 2 (4), Rosario (13)
Top 3 WPA: Maeda .195, Cave .134, Clippard .122

Kenta Maeda Deal…. Again
Kenta Maeda continued to do what he’s done all year. Maeda allowed an infield single to Victor Reyes to start the game and responded by not allowing another hit until the sixth inning.

The sixth inning would be the worst and final inning of the night for Maeda. He allowed two Tigers hitters to reach base before surrendering a three-run home run to the future Hall of Famer, Miguel Cabrera.

Overall, Kenta Maeda did exactly what he’s done all year for Minnesota. He delivered yet another quality start, his eighth of the season in 11 starts.

He finished the night with a final line of 6 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 9 K

Small Ball and Bombas
The Twins offense got the scoring started in the third inning with a steady dose of small ball. Jorge Polanco singled on a soft line drive to the opposite field and would eventually steal second base. Marwin Gonzalez drove him in with a single to right and Marwin would later score the second run of the inning when Buxton grounded into a fielders’ choice.

Minnesota scored again in the fourth, this time with the long ball. The always patient and disciplined Eddie Rosario led off the inning with a walk and would eventually cross home plate courtesy of a two-run home run from Jake Cave, pushing the lead to 4-0. He got to wear the robe.



The Twins struck again in the fifth inning when Eddie Rosario followed in the footsteps of Jake Cave when he launched a two-run home run, extending the Minnesota lead to 6-0. He too got to wear the robe.



Jake Cave wore the robe again in the sixth when he led off the inning with an opposite field home run, answering the Tigers three-run inning and pushing the Twins lead to 7-3.

Twins Bullpen Closes the Door
It wasn’t clean but they got the job done. Bullpen ace Matt Wisler entered the game following the stellar outing from Kenta Maeda. Wisler didn’t pitch his best inning as he allowed the Tigers to load the bases with one out and was eventually relieved by Tyler Clippard.

Clippard showed veteran prowess as he was able to wiggle out of the bases loaded jam without surrendering a run and preserving the 7-3 Minnesota lead.

Jorge Alcala entered the game in the eighth and pitched a scoreless inning, setting up the ninth for Caleb Thielbar, who ran into some trouble after allowing two base runners and was relieved by Sergo Romo.

Sergio promptly served up a home run to Cabrera, his second of the night and narrowed the Twins lead to 7-6. Romo responded by inducing a ground out from the next batter and put the lights out on a 7-6 Twins victory.

After tonight's win and a loss from the White Sox, the Twins are back on top of the AL Central.

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Well, well, well....what do we have here?!

    • DocBauer, JoshDungan1, bighat and 2 others like this
Bullpen put a bit of a wet blanket on that one.

Big picture though, this was great. Way to go Maeda and the offense.
    • wavedog, mikelink45, Dman and 1 other like this

Great line on Eddie.I wish Alcala would pitch more regularly.He fights his control and not sure it helps him to have so many days between appearances. May happen next year

    • wavedog, mikelink45, DocBauer and 6 others like this

My thinking last week that the Twins should tank so they don't have to face the Yankees is looking pretty silly now

    • ashbury, adjacent, Danchat and 6 others like this
Another stellar recap got me thinking, is the definition of a "quality start" going to shift along with all the other changing dynamics?

Theilbar says thanks, Romo. It only took 4 total pitches and let 3 runs in. And Romo gets a save. 

 

Stribling got a save by pitching the last 4 innings in a 14-1 Toronto win over the Yankees. He came in the game in the 6th, already ahead 5-1. 

 

    • woolywoolhouse, mikelink45, bighat and 1 other like this
Clippard escaping from bases loaded, one out with no runs scored turned out to be pretty huge.
    • wavedog, Dantes929, USNMCPO and 11 others like this

Twins are in a mini-surge that gives them a shot Division and #2 or #3 seed. The Indians, if they win tomorrow may well pass the Chisox as well. This is good stuff - consider what things looked like when Twins lost last game to the Sox? 

    • mikelink45, Dman, puckstopper1 and 1 other like this

 

Twins are in a mini-surge that gives them a shot Division and #2 or #3 seed. The Indians, if they win tomorrow may well pass the Chisox as well. This is good stuff - consider what things looked like when Twins lost last game to the Sox? 

If the Indians pass the Sox also, then it'll be those very same White Sox the Twins will face in the playoffs.

 

If the Sox stay ahead of the Indians but behind the Twins, the Twins will play the Indians.

 

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd almost rather play the Yankees than either of those teams. In my defense, I haven't had my morning coffee yet.

    • birdwatcher, Dman, rdehring and 1 other like this

What an amazing turn around in the standings.Thanks Cleveland, just don't face us with all your pitchers at the top of their game.

 

The BP has been slipping.Too many BP games?Romo is one pitcher I definitely do not want to come in and face the Yankees. But Thielbar and Wisler have been living the dream and the bubbles might be in danger of bursting.I hope not.But I remember when Martin Perez (yes the starter for the BOSOX) came out of the gates and look phenomenal until he didn't and he was gone before the year ended.  

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A White Sox win today puts us tied and they have the tiebreaker. It would also put our magic # with the Tribe at 1.Gonna be one hell of a final weekend in the AL Central. And gotta agree with bighat above, also might prefer the Yankees to the Tribe, although we have played well against the Indians at Target Field.

 

Is Rosario heating up at the right time? Keep it going Eddie for at least another couple weeks. And please get Arraez back this weekend, he will make a huge difference if he isn't too rusty.

 

And what isn't to like about Alcala? He would be on my playoff roster, don't know about the Twins? Did Jeffers guarantee his roster spot last night?

    • Dman, DocBauer, bighat and 2 others like this

I'm just happy to see the offense producing. If our hitters are finally finding their groove, then we're a dangerous team that people aren't going to want to face.

 

Cabrera can still hit. Whoof, he stomped on us tonight, and nearly brought the Tigers back all by himself. Heck of a hitter, always has been.

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Glad to be done with Detroit, just as Cabrera woke up! Hope Cruz is ready to go against the Reds, need him in his groove come next week
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VivaBomboRivera!
Sep 24 2020 07:01 AM

My thinking last week that the Twins should tank so they don't have to face the Yankees is looking pretty silly now

Glad you've come around. Considering losing in order to win is just...

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Is it just me, or is the overall defense played by everyone on the team improving?Not just the flashy stuff like the 6-2-5 DP the other night, but much less mental mistakes, throwing to the wrong base, etc?The worst last night was the attempted tag by Sano on the wayward throw from Maeda but even that wasn't Sano's fault with the collision - couldn't believe they charged him with the error. 

 

What an amazing turn around in the standings.Thanks Cleveland, just don't face us with all your pitchers at the top of their game.  

Remember when we beat Bieber and Plesac just a short time ago? 

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woolywoolhouse
Sep 24 2020 08:00 AM

Romo knows how to work smarter, not harder. 

 

Theilbar says thanks, Romo. It only took 4 total pitches and let 3 runs in. And Romo gets a save. 

 

Stribling got a save by pitching the last 4 innings in a 14-1 Toronto win over the Yankees. He came in the game in the 6th, already ahead 5-1. 

 

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Playoff seeding will go right down to the last day. Too many variables at the moment.Its unlikely Cleveland can catch Twins. Even if they win today and trail Twins by 2, Twins would hold the tiebreaker. If Sox win today, Twins and Sox are tied, but Sox hold tiebreaker.Reds are on fire and will be a formidable foe for the Twins final 3 games. If Sox lose today, then I think Twins will be in the drivers seat.

If Twins win the Central, what seed will they be? An outside shot at catching Tampa and also a decent shot to overtake Oakland (by percentages?) fun stuff.

 

Last night...bullpen was very shaky. I still hope Rocco doesn't plan on running either Romo or Rogers out there with the game on the line. Forget their 'history'..what have they done lately? In Rogers case, he has been terrible. Romo has been totally inconsistent. Giving up that HR last night was not a good look for him. He got the 3rd out, but hardly deserved any kind of 'save'.

Cave is picking a good time to start looking sharp. Thats a plus. Sano, OTOH is still in an abysmal slump. Not only isn't he getting hits, his AB;s are weak. That has to change, but time is running out for that.

Is Cruz being kept out of the lineup for health precautions? Would seem he needs some AB's to break out of his slump too.

Experiment of Bux leading off followed by Donaldson...not a good look. If Bux gets on and refuses to steal, what good is having a DP machine hitter like Donaldson following him?(Bux had one of his rare off nights at the plate last night)

 

I still don't want to face NY in round one. Twins need a new opponent for post season. they can say all they want about 'this is a new season'. Yanks are in their heads and Yanks know it.

    • EPEZRider and AdoreAdorno like this

Last night showed why having experienced arms in the pen are needed.The less experienced guys had some issues.Wisler, who admits he does not know what the slider will do most of the time, kind of scary when the guy throwing it has no real plan, but been effective.His last hitter he set up perfect and made great pitch to be rewarded with a too weak of contact to get an out.That was just bad luck.Then the vet came in bases loaded and got the job done quickly.

 

Acala, did not have it going last night.I hope it was just a blip because he had been doing well and thought he could be someone to go to in post-season but he was all over the place last night.Got through it, but my guess if score would have been closer he would have got the hook too, before end of inning. 

 

Glad we won, but personally, I am a fan of miggy and as long as he is not killing Twins, I hope he can have a few good years left in him.  

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If the Indians pass the Sox also, then it'll be those very same White Sox the Twins will face in the playoffs.

 

If the Sox stay ahead of the Indians but behind the Twins, the Twins will play the Indians.

 

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd almost rather play the Yankees than either of those teams. In my defense, I haven't had my morning coffee yet.

Nah, I'd rather take on the Indians or White Sox. We beat Bieber last time out and our bats did well against them, and I like our hitters' chances against Giolito in Game 1. 

 

Nah, I'd rather take on the Indians or White Sox. We beat Bieber last time out and our bats did well against them, and I like our hitters' chances against Giolito in Game 1. 

The way the Twins hit him, Giolito is a guy that doesn't scare me at all.

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twinbythebay
Sep 24 2020 10:37 AM

 

The BP has been slipping.Too many BP games? 

I wish people would quit claiming that the bullpen is "overworked" without providing any evidence. Yes, the bullpen has been used a lot this year, but it has also been incredibly deep so no one pitcher has been overworked. I don't think any pitcher has pitched more than two days in a row, and the vast majority of their appearances have been one inning or less. The season is only 60 games long, and none of our bullpen pitchers have pitched more than 25 innings yet. They will have normal fluctuations in results, that's just how baseball works. But even after giving up 3 runs in 3 innings last night, the bullpen is virtually tied with the Rays for the highest fWAR in MLB, their ERA is 5th best in MLB, and their FIP is 6th best in MLB. Overall, the bullpen has been one of the team's most consistent strengths this season.

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Still worried about the mostly terrible at bats this team has collectively.  Has all year.  Come playoff time, everyone grips the bats a little tighter.  Runs typically more scarce.  I like our starters to compete, but all or nothing approach has me a bit nervous.  Miss all the doubles that drove in runs last year, as well as the bombs.

 

Bullpen is a tad shaky right now.  Now is not the time for Rocco to have the Gardy approach, that you are slotted where you are slotted.  Duffy should have highest leverage situations.  I would think about slider guy, and Acala, possibly before Rogers.  

 

Reds home run hitting team like Twins, so should be a fun series.

 

I wish people would quit claiming that the bullpen is "overworked" without providing any evidence. Yes, the bullpen has been used a lot this year, but it has also been incredibly deep so no one pitcher has been overworked. I don't think any pitcher has pitched more than two days in a row, and the vast majority of their appearances have been one inning or less. The season is only 60 games long, and none of our bullpen pitchers have pitched more than 25 innings yet. They will have normal fluctuations in results, that's just how baseball works. But even after giving up 3 runs in 3 innings last night, the bullpen is virtually tied with the Rays for the highest fWAR in MLB, their ERA is 5th best in MLB, and their FIP is 6th best in MLB. Overall, the bullpen has been one of the team's most consistent strengths this season.

This is good info, but beyond overwork, could exposure also be an issue? In a shortened season with a division-heavy schedule, these Detroit batters have seen the same pitchers repeatedly in a short time frame.

 

Good news is, that shouldn't affect our weekend series vs Cincinnati, and depending on who we draw for the first round of the playoffs, it might not be a factor there either.

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twinbythebay
Sep 24 2020 11:57 AM

 

This is good info, but beyond overwork, could exposure also be an issue? In a shortened season with a division-heavy schedule, these Detroit batters have seen the same pitchers repeatedly in a short time frame.

 

Good news is, that shouldn't affect our weekend series vs Cincinnati, and depending on who we draw for the first round of the playoffs, it might not be a factor there either.

I think this is a reasonable take. If our bullpen truly does pitch worse against teams that have had a lot of looks at them recently, one might draw the conclusion that it's better to face the Yankees in the first round rather than Cleveland. However, I'm sure that familiarity works both ways... The Twins have done well against Cleveland's best pitchers, especially in that last three game sweep. I honestly can't decide who I'd rather have the Twins face, but as long as they're at home, I still like their chances against any opponent.

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