Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

The Forums

Article: Expansion Could Alter MLB's Landscape

Other Baseball Yesterday, 11:29 PM
The winds of change are in the air. Major League Baseball could be nearing an expansion to 32 teams which would signal a large shift in t...
Full topic ›

Go get Verlander

Minnesota Twins Talk Yesterday, 11:29 PM
http://www.espn.com/...astros-audition   Best possible combination of help in 2017 and help in the next couple years, right where th...
Full topic ›

Article: Diving Into The Offseason: A Buxton Extension?

Minnesota Twins Talk Yesterday, 10:17 PM
Last week, I considered what a potential long-term extension might look like for All Star Brian Dozier. Today, I want to do a little digg...
Full topic ›

Article: Supplementing the Twins: Lance Lynn

Minnesota Twins Talk Yesterday, 09:54 PM
The Minnesota Twins are now well underway into creating their offseason blueprint. Coming off a season in which the greatest turnaround i...
Full topic ›

IMO, this is why you acquire SP from outside

Minnesota Twins Talk Yesterday, 09:54 PM
I keep reading that a team shouldn't sign FA pitchers, because they don't always work out. Or, that a team shouldn't trade "real" prospec...
Full topic ›

MIN 7, DET 3: Gibson, Offense Keep Rolling

How about that Kyle Gibson? He delivered another quality start as the Twins beat the Tigers, and has people starting to wonder if he’s turned the corner. Of course, having some premium run support hasn’t hurt his cause, either. The bats delivered another nice cushion for Gibby tonight, scoring six runs while he was in the game.
Image courtesy of Rick Osentoski-USA TODAY Sports
Snapshot (chart via Fangraphs)
Attached Image: Snapshot922.png
Gibson held the Tigers to three runs over 7.0 innings. He gave up five hits, two of which were homers, and walked a pair of batters while striking out six. He also induced three double-play balls. He’s been a bit of a chameleon of late, mixing up his pitch selection to lean more on his four-seam fastball and slider as opposed to the two-seamer. Here’s a breakdown of his pitch mix from his previous start (9/17):
Attached Image: Gibby917.png
And that has been fairly consistent with how he’s pitched over the past two months. Well, here’s what he did tonight:
Attached Image: GibbyTonight.png
Back to tons of two-seamers (or sinkers, depending on who you ask). He doesn’t deploy the curveball or changeup as frequently, but hitters still have five pitches they need to prepare for when they dig in against Gibson. He's also working up in the zone more frequently.

Whether the goal is being a little less predictable, he's attacking his opponent's weaknesses or it’s simply that he’s leaning on a pitch he has the feel for that night, this new Gibson is rolling. In the 10 games he has started since the beginning of August, Gibson has a 3.32 ERA and the Twins are 8-2.

And, of course, the Twins have had the best offense in the American League since the All-Star break. They’ve been giving Gibby plenty of support, and Friday was no exception. The lineup provided six runs while Gibson was on the bump.

Byron Buxton led the way with three hits, two of which were doubles. He drove in two runs and also scored twice. Max Kepler had two hits, including his 19th home run of the season off lefty Daniel Norris. Brian Dozier hit his 32nd homer and stole his 16th base of the year.

Postgame With Gibson

AL Wild Card Standings
WC1: Yankees 85-68 (+5.5)
WC2: Twins 80-74
Angels 76-77 (-3.5)
Rangers 76-77 (-3.5)

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
Attached Image: Bullpen922.png
Looking Ahead
Sat: Twins (Ervin Santana) at Tigers (Matthew Boyd), 5:10 pm CT
Sun: Twins (Jose Berrios) at Tigers (Buck Farmer), 11:10 am CT
Mon: Off

Looking Back
MIN 12, DET 1: Once Again, The Twins Bounce Back
NYY 11, MIN 3: Twins Crumble At Yankee Stadium (Again)
NYY 5, MIN 2: Tough Night For Berrios, Twins

  • Blake, Oldgoat_MN, h2oface and 3 others like this

  • Share:
  • submit to reddit
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

35 Comments

Angels and Rangers lose. Great night

    • Jerr, Riverbrian, Dantes929 and 2 others like this

 

Angels and Rangers lose. Great night

KC also.  

    • Jerr, Riverbrian and DelusionalTwinsFan like this

Weakest pitchers lining up for Cleveland. Not that Berrios and Santana have been so consistent lately...... but still. And do we really have to see Colon again?! Really?

    • Dantes929 and DelusionalTwinsFan like this
You can make a decent case that Gibson has been better than both Santana and Berrios since the All star break. That's a fairly decent stretch 12 to 13 starts. Gibson is 7 - 3 and like a 3.58 ERA Santana is 5 - 2 with a 3.87 ERA. Berrios has not been very good at all since the All Star break. Actually he has had some good games just not consistent.
    • Riverbrian, Broker and DelusionalTwinsFan like this

Sure would have been nice to have Verlander pitching for the Twins.......

    • Oldgoat_MN likes this
Photo
mickeymental
Sep 23 2017 01:10 AM
verlander IS pitching for the twins. four wins this month: angels twice, mariners twice.
    • ashburyjohn, birdwatcher, Jerr and 15 others like this

I just realized I've yet to look at the Strib's coverage of the Twins this year.

 

With TD, I've realized there's no reason to.

 

Off topic, take a look at the hidden ball trick pulled off by Goins of the Jays. It's a thing of beauty.

 

Good job, Mr. Froemming and TD in general!

    • ashburyjohn, Jerr, Riverbrian and 5 others like this

If someone had told me July 1st that Kyle Gibson would have 12 Wins at this point in the season, I would of thought that person crazy. But he has really turned it around. And he is such a good person that it is great to see him having some success and contributing to this unlikely remarkable season. Just think what a full season of Kyle Gibson pitching like this would look like.

    • Jerr, Oldgoat_MN, PDX Twin and 4 others like this

Gibby has gone from "Why would you offer him Arb" to "Of course we will offer him Arb". 

 

 

And we really needed that. 

    • Jerr, Dantes929, Oldgoat_MN and 6 others like this

 

Weakest pitchers lining up for Cleveland. Not that Berrios and Santana have been so consistent lately...... but still. And do we really have to see Colon again?! Really?

 

Either Mejia or Colon will be skipped to line Santana up for the Wild Card Game. So game three in that series will be Santana. Molly has talked about doing that. And we're getting CLE pitchers #3 through #5 so that's decent. No Kluber, no Corrasco.

 

100% agreed on Colon. I'd like to see him skipped in CLE and he can make his last start against the Tiggers that last weekend when this thing will hopefully be sewn up. Mejia is flawed but at least interesting, Colon is just garbage.

    • h2oface likes this

 

Just think what a full season of Kyle Gibson pitching like this would look like.

 

I'm with you on liking watching Kyle Gibson pitch well but I think the issue is that he doesn't do this for a whole season. That's why he's not starting the Wild Card game. He'd certainly start an ALDS game and deservedly so.

Photo
ScooterDance
Sep 23 2017 07:01 AM
Pretty much sealed at least a game 163 last night. I really don't see a 8-1 or 9-0 stretch. Even 7-2 is unlikely - but if TEX or ANA rattle off a 7-2 stretch we just have to go 3-5 for a 163.

I'm pretty sure a random selection of TDers could win 3 of the 5 remaining games against the Tigers (they are 4-18 this month).
    • Broker likes this
I mentioned this before, I read an article in the The Athletic about Gibsons turnaround this season. It all started when he started pitching from the 3rd base side of the pitching rubber. Also, If everyone recalls, Gibson was sent down when the Twins acquired Garcia from the Braves and brought back up when Garcia was traded to the Yanks. The way Gibson is pitching now, I think I'd rather have Gibson than Garcia.
    • Dantes929, Oldgoat_MN, Broker and 3 others like this

Also, If everyone recalls, Gibson was sent down when the Twins acquired Garcia from the Braves and brought back up when Garcia was traded to the Yanks. The way Gibson is pitching now, I think I'd rather have Gibson than Garcia.


Mejia was injured shortly thereafter, so there could have been room for both. (And there was a case for sending him out instead of Gibson too, he wasn't pitching very deep.)
Photo
Tom Froemming
Sep 23 2017 07:41 AM

 

I mentioned this before, I read an article in the The Athletic about Gibsons turnaround this season. It all started when he started pitching from the 3rd base side of the pitching rubber. Also, If everyone recalls, Gibson was sent down when the Twins acquired Garcia from the Braves and brought back up when Garcia was traded to the Yanks. The way Gibson is pitching now, I think I'd rather have Gibson than Garcia.

There's been a ton of great coverage and analysis on Gibson's turnaround. Here are a few links for anybody looking for some extra weekend reading:

 

-As you mentioned, Brandon Warne wrote about him at The Athletic. There is a paywall, but you can get a free trial to read that piece.

 

-Matthew Trueblood wrote about Gibby for Baseball Prospectus. He also pointed out Gibby is throwing from a different arm slot, among other things. That article is free (thanks Aaron).

 

-Of course, Twins Daily has covered this too. Nick Nelson wrote about Gibson's turnaround at the end of August, before it was cool :)

 

-Ted Schwerzler also wrote about Gibson over at Off The Baggy, pointing out his increase in off-speed offerings. 

 

-Derek Wetmore covered Gibby's turnaround for 1500 ESPN, honing in on his four-seam fastball.

 

-Eddy Almaguer at Fake Teams also target Gibson as a fantasy sleeper earlier this month and shared some good, nerdy stuff.

 

I'm sure other blogs the STrib, Pioneer Press and the team's official site have had some good stuff too. Feel free to share links I may have missed. 

    • wavedog, Riverbrian, Oldgoat_MN and 2 others like this

 

Pretty much sealed at least a game 163 last night. I really don't see a 8-1 or 9-0 stretch. Even 7-2 is unlikely - but if TEX or ANA rattle off a 7-2 stretch we just have to go 3-5 for a 163.

I'm pretty sure a random selection of TDers could win 3 of the 5 remaining games against the Tigers (they are 4-18 this month).

Ohhh yeah!!!!! put some us in for a game and rest all the MLBers, they could use a day off ;) I call third base coach, so I can send on the fast TDers that round second  :)

    • Dozier's Glorious Hair likes this

 

Ohhh yeah!!!!! put some us in for a game and rest all the MLBers, they could use a day off ;) I call third base coach, so I can send on the fast TDers that round second  :)

Used to be I was fast enough that when the 2nd baseman said something nasty as I was rounding 2nd base I would slap the 3rd baseman in the catcher's mouth. Nowadays I run on the treadmill for an hour and look down to realize its only been 5 minutes.

    • Jerr, ThejacKmp, 70charger and 1 other like this

 

I mentioned this before, I read an article in the The Athletic about Gibsons turnaround this season. It all started when he started pitching from the 3rd base side of the pitching rubber. Also, If everyone recalls, Gibson was sent down when the Twins acquired Garcia from the Braves and brought back up when Garcia was traded to the Yanks. The way Gibson is pitching now, I think I'd rather have Gibson than Garcia.

I made that point the other day that if Garcia had not been traded maybe Gibson is still in the minors. Probably not completely true but maybe he comes up and faces the Dodgers or Indians and never gets into a groove.  What I have noticed in his bad streaks is that he looks like the bad Nick Blackburn where everything looks like the same speed. He's got really good breaking balls so what I see in his good games are a lot of those. I do think the 4 seamer helps though.

 

Either Mejia or Colon will be skipped to line Santana up for the Wild Card Game. So game three in that series will be Santana. Molly has talked about doing that. And we're getting CLE pitchers #3 through #5 so that's decent. No Kluber, no Corrasco.

 

100% agreed on Colon. I'd like to see him skipped in CLE and he can make his last start against the Tiggers that last weekend when this thing will hopefully be sewn up. Mejia is flawed but at least interesting, Colon is just garbage.

I would not put Colon on the playoff roster (KOW, KOW, KOW). It would be like Hernandez in 08. Nice job.  Thank you for your efforts.  They were very valuable. Its time to go.

    • ThejacKmp likes this
CAN YOU SMELL IT?

For the Twins not to make the playoffs, they will have to go 100% into the tank. With the young kids experienced winners from the minors AND 5 remaining against Detroit, that isn't likely.

And after dropping three to the Yankees this week, the Twins have them right where they want them....over confident!
    • Oldgoat_MN likes this

I would not put Colon on the playoff roster (KOW, KOW, KOW). It would be like Hernandez in 08. Nice job. Thank you for your efforts. They were very valuable. Its time to go.


I would start Colon over Mejia in a LDS game 4, but have an extremely quick hook. Make it more of a bullpen game.

Great to see Kepler heating up. We need him. Hell, we need ALL the bats to be alive with this pitching staff that has no real consistent shutdown starter or reliever. The offense has to be able to outscore the opposition. I hope they get a chance to come from behind a couple times in late innings and win, especially against Cleveland, and build confidence for the playoff game(s).

 

I would start Colon over Mejia in a LDS game 4, but have an extremely quick hook. Make it more of a bullpen game.

 

You've gotta be kidding me. 

    • jimmer likes this

You've gotta be kidding me.


Not especially. But I could be convinced otherwise with their next starts (mostly Mejia showing me something). For one game I'll take the experience over upside.
    • Dozier's Glorious Hair likes this
Photo
Hosken Bombo Disco
Sep 23 2017 01:17 PM

80 wins!

 

My preseason prediction was too pessimistic!!


Similar Articles


by John Bonnes , 15 Oct 2017
Photo


by Seth Stohs , 15 Oct 2017
Photo


by Seth Stohs , 12 Oct 2017
Photo


by Nick Nelson , 08 Oct 2017
Photo


by Seth Stohs , 05 Oct 2017
Photo