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MIN 6, DET 0: Odorizzi Deals (Again), Twins Win Fourth in a Row

After earning the AL Player of the Week honors, Jake Odorizzi didn’t slow down and pitched a gem to lead the Twins to their 24th win of the season, as they beat the Tigers 6-0 in Target Field on Friday night. The Twins improve to a 7-1 record in the AL Central and maintain an MLB-best record.
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Box Score
Odorizzi: 7.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 69.4% strikes (66 of 95 pitches)
Home Runs: Garver (8), Kepler (8)
Multi-Hit Games: None
WPA of +0.1: Odorizzi .290, Polanco .150, Garver .130
WPA of -0.1: Rosario -.130
Attached Image: Win510.png
(chart via FanGraphs)

Things didn’t start as well as one might think for Odorizzi. He gave up a double while facing his second batter of the night and saw a lot of hard contact from Tiger hitters, but he went on to retire 20 consecutive batters, before leaving the game in the end of seventh inning. His ERA now drops to 2.32 overall and 0.86 in his last five outings. That was also his third consecutive scoreless start, all in which he pitched at least six innings.

The offense also came up big in support of Odorizzi. Jorge Polanco drove in three runs and Mitch Garver and Max Kepler each hit home runs. Minnesota has the third-best run differential in the AL at +50 and has hit 66 home runs, which is tied for third in the league.

Story of the Game
Odorizzi gave up a double in the top of the first, but that was pretty much all that happened in the inning. The top of the Twins' lineup couldn’t get anything done against Tyson Ross, who pitched a 1-2-3 inning. Both starters cruised through the second as well, retiring all the batters they’ve faced.

In the top of the third, Odo kept dealing, with another 1-2-3 inning, with two strikeouts, but this time the offense showed up in the bottom half. After loading the bases with a couple of walks (Garver and Kepler) and a single in between (Jonathan Schoop), Polanco came through with a two-run double.

Still no problems for Odorizzi in the fourth, as he retired all batters with only wight pitches, making it 11 consecutive. Then Garver did some more damage, blasting a two-run home run to the second deck in the left field making it 4-0 Twins.

Tiger hitters had no answer to Odorizzi, whatsoever. He had another three up, three down inning in the fifth, with over 73% strikes at this point (50 strikes in 68 pitches), making it fourteen consecutive batters retired. And he got some more run support later on, as Kepler hit a solo shot to right field, driving in the fifth run of the night.

Once again the Tiger hitters were dominated in the top of sixth by the Twins starter, who reached seventeen consecutive batters retired. He made it look easy. The offense continued to be effective, as Polanco drew a walk with the bases loaded, making it 6-0 Minnesota, earning his third RBI of the night.

Odorizzi completed his majestic outing by getting yet another 1-2-3 inning in the seventh. And even though the offense didn’t produce any more runs, things didn’t get any easier for Detroit’s bats. Matt Magill pitched a three up, three down eighth. Fernando Romero gave up two hits to leadoff the ninth, but he got some fielding help from Ehire Adrianza and Buxton to secure the win and the shutout.

After the game it was announced that Martin Perez would be going on the paternity list. Kohl Stewart will take his place on the 25-man roster and is slated to pitch the second game of tomorrow's doubleheader. The bonus 26th man for the doubleheader will be announced Saturday.

Postgame With Baldelli

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
Attached Image: Bullpen510.png
Next Three Games
Sat vs. DET, 1:10 pm CT (Pineda-Turnbull)
Sat vs. DET, 7:10 pm CT (Stewart-TBD)
Sun vs. DET, 1:!0 pm CT (TBD-Norris)

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Does Astudillo come off the IL and play 3rd today in Marwin's absense? Or are the Twins going to play Adrianza in both games? You'd think this would be an ideal time to activate La Tortuga. From all reports he's ready....or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

Hope Gonzalez is OK and not affected in any way long-term. We've seen those blows to the head derail careers.

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Tom Froemming
May 11 2019 08:35 AM

 

Not that it really matters, but after this 6-0 game they actually have a +50 run differential (not +44).And after the full night's action that is actually 3rd in the AL, and tied for 3rd across MLB (Cubs and Dodgers both also have +50).  

 

12 above .500 and +50 RD (for comparison's sake, 2017 twins ended with just a +27 RD).Heckuva season!

Fixed, thank you.

I asked in the game thread, but it was end of night. Has Romero been used in back-to back games in the minors yet?

 

Great win. I'm excited.

 

To nitpick, I'm a little surprised at the choice of Magill + Romero before the DH, just because those are the two candidate to give you 2+ innings if needed today.

 

Who a I kidding? Nothing can go wrong right now.

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Like others on this comment section I wonder why the love affair for Stewart.Is he the best in the minors right now?I know it is a push but I would rather see Graterol begin to experience the bigs - his stuff should play well anywhere. 

 

Reading the minor league report on TD I know that Addison Reed is not ready to come up and perform, and DeJong is earning his DFA status.Littell has a better ERA than Stewart, have we given up on him?And Poppen is better than both.  

 

Just curious.

 

I'm sorry, but it's a ridiculous idea to bring up Graterol at this point. He's only 7 starts in at AA and you want to toss him in the fire (and burn an option year) to pitch in the doubleheader? He's not even on the 40-man yet. Be patient on Graterol, he's the best option we have to develop an ace out of the minors right now, that's far more important than grabbing him for a doubleheader against the Tigers in May.

 

Stewart is the right choice, not just because of where he falls in Rochester's rotation but because he's also pitched in MLB and had a couple of successful outings. He's also going to understand that he's on the Rochester shuttle until he proves it.

 

Thorpe is a guy you want to bring up when he's going to have a chance to stick for more than a spot start, and hes shown he still has things to do in AAA. He only made 4 starts there last season.

 

Littell is certainly an option, and will probably get the next shot if Stewart tanks it, but he got rocked pretty hard when he was up last year.

 

Poppen isn't on the 40-man either, and has made exactly 1 start above AA, and frankly I'm not prepared to say hes better than Stewart at all. He's a year older than Stewart and while he deserved the promotion out of AA, the shiny ERA is a bit deceptive. He's walking way too many batters to have any confidence that he's ready to face MLB pitching.

 

Stewart is the right call for now.

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I'm sorry, but it's a ridiculous idea to bring up Graterol at this point. He's only 7 starts in at AA and you want to toss him in the fire (and burn an option year) to pitch in the doubleheader? He's not even on the 40-man yet. Be patient on Graterol, he's the best option we have to develop an ace out of the minors right now, that's far more important than grabbing him for a doubleheader against the Tigers in May.

 

Stewart is the right choice, not just because of where he falls in Rochester's rotation but because he's also pitched in MLB and had a couple of successful outings. He's also going to understand that he's on the Rochester shuttle until he proves it.

 

Thorpe is a guy you want to bring up when he's going to have a chance to stick for more than a spot start, and hes shown he still has things to do in AAA. He only made 4 starts there last season.

 

Littell is certainly an option, and will probably get the next shot if Stewart tanks it, but he got rocked pretty hard when he was up last year.

 

Poppen isn't on the 40-man either, and has made exactly 1 start above AA, and frankly I'm not prepared to say hes better than Stewart at all. He's a year older than Stewart and while he deserved the promotion out of AA, the shiny ERA is a bit deceptive. He's walking way too many batters to have any confidence that he's ready to face MLB pitching.

 

Stewart is the right call for now.

I will call it a little premature rather than ridiculous.  How many years does a guy have that throws high 90's?  I agree his stuff should play well anywhere, his walk rate is good and if he does well I would have no problem with him taking the 5th spot.  Is he really learning stuff or is he just waiting in a queue for his chance?  The reason I say it is premature is it is too early to give up on Pineda.  Bert was throwing shutouts in the Bigs at 19.  You might not like the comparison to a HOFer but he wouldn't have been HOF if they made him wait til 21 to get his chance.  Does he really burn a whole year of control if he comes up for a spot start?   

 

Not that it really matters, but after this 6-0 game they actually have a +50 run differential (not +44).And after the full night's action that is actually 3rd in the AL, and tied for 3rd across MLB (Cubs and Dodgers both also have +50).  

 

12 above .500 and +50 RD (for comparison's sake, 2017 twins ended with just a +27 RD).Heckuva season!

87 Twins ended with a -20 RD. That's 70 runs better.  I think that makes this team 3.5 times better than that team already.

 

I will call it a little premature rather than ridiculous.  How many years does a guy have that throws high 90's?  I agree his stuff should play well anywhere, his walk rate is good and if he does well I would have no problem with him taking the 5th spot.  Is he really learning stuff or is he just waiting in a queue for his chance?  The reason I say it is premature is it is too early to give up on Pineda.  Bert was throwing shutouts in the Bigs at 19.  You might not like the comparison to a HOFer but he wouldn't have been HOF if they made him wait til 21 to get his chance.  Does he really burn a whole year of control if he comes up for a spot start?   

 

It's not a year of control, it's an option year. reduces the number of times you can send the guy back down to work in the minors if he struggles in the majors.

 

It's hard to think that Graterol isn't learning things in AA. For one thing, you have significantly more advanced hitters and increasing numbers of hitters who have real chances of playing in MLB. more sophisticated approaches at the plate, as well as working with other pitchers who have more refined repertoires. Look, I don't want to hold him back if he's ready and its fine to bring a guy up from AA straight to the majors, but I don't see too many scenarios where Graterol comes up to MLB as anything other than a reliever later in the year.

 

In other news, Garver looks so confident at the plate right now. Sure doesn't seem to have any aftereffects from the concussion which is terrific news. He's got a plan up there, no question.

 

Hope Marwin really is ok. That looked really scary last night (and the slomo was awful). Fortunately, with Astudillo coming back we have some depth if he needs some time off.

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Like others on this comment section I wonder why the love affair for Stewart.Is he the best in the minors right now?I know it is a push but I would rather see Graterol begin to experience the bigs - his stuff should play well anywhere. 

 

 

Remember, Graterol was pulled from his last start due to tightness in his neck. Would make no sense to do that and then have his next start be his MLB debut.

 

And Poppen's 14 walks in 19 innings at AA have me less than convinced that he's ready.

 

We've got a strong top four in the rotation, but there's little depth that's immediately available.

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stringer bell
May 11 2019 11:30 AM

For the role of a spot start, I think Stewart and Littell would be the two most obvious choices.I would venture that both are considered limited upside guys at this point, but guys that can be adequate. 

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diehardtwinsfan
May 11 2019 11:31 AM

 

I will call it a little premature rather than ridiculous.  How many years does a guy have that throws high 90's?  I agree his stuff should play well anywhere, his walk rate is good and if he does well I would have no problem with him taking the 5th spot.  Is he really learning stuff or is he just waiting in a queue for his chance?  The reason I say it is premature is it is too early to give up on Pineda.  Bert was throwing shutouts in the Bigs at 19.  You might not like the comparison to a HOFer but he wouldn't have been HOF if they made him wait til 21 to get his chance.  Does he really burn a whole year of control if he comes up for a spot start?   

 

That was also a different era. That's worth noting.

 

But baring injury, there's no reason that he cannot maintain that velocity through his career. It will tick down slowly as he ages, but it's not like he'll be throwing low 90s come his 28th birthday either. And I think we all know that there's more to pitching than velo. Graterol will probably get a long look for one of the spots in the rotation next season, but I tend to agree with the other point, that putting him on the 40 and burning an option is poor management. We have people now that we need to look at now. Stewart is one of them.

 

Now that said, I do think he's a good candidate for a40 man add and September callup to the pen. I know there's some screwy rules with playoffs assuming we get there, but he could do something similar to what Jose Mijares did back in the early 2000s.

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stringer bell
May 11 2019 11:49 AM

Are the limitations to callups effective this year? The Twins may be only able to add a couple players in September.

 

That was also a different era. That's worth noting.

 

But baring injury, there's no reason that he cannot maintain that velocity through his career. It will tick down slowly as he ages, but it's not like he'll be throwing low 90s come his 28th birthday either. And I think we all know that there's more to pitching than velo. Graterol will probably get a long look for one of the spots in the rotation next season, but I tend to agree with the other point, that putting him on the 40 and burning an option is poor management. We have people now that we need to look at now. Stewart is one of them.

 

Now that said, I do think he's a good candidate for a40 man add and September callup to the pen. I know there's some screwy rules with playoffs assuming we get there, but he could do something similar to what Jose Mijares did back in the early 2000s.

I don't like burning options casually but there are players you look at and think "I don't think he is going to get sent down a bunch of times" and Graterol is one of them to me.I could be way off base here but I am thinking he might need exposure to the big leagues, get sent down to work on whatever and then will stick.You say barring injury there's no reason that he cannot maintain that velocity and I agree but the injury part is 100% why I said what I said. How many guys can throw 98mph year after year without getting arm injuries? His command seems very good and his stuff looks nasty (limited video) and is considered plus.If he truly has stuff he needs to work on to be major league ready then so be it but if they are just going through the conveyor belt of promotions cuz that is what they always do then to me it just seems like they are wasting bullets. Again, pitching at a high level for a couple years before getting the chance in the majors and then blowing out his arm soon after is my concern.


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