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MIN 4, MIL 0: Big Sexy With 7 Scoreless Lifts Twins Back to .500

I don’t know where Bartolo Colon found the cheat code that’s allowing him to do the things he’s doing at 44-years-old, but this sure is fun. Big Sexy followed up a complete game by throwing seven shutout innings against the Brewers Wednesday night, boosting the Twins to their fourth straight win.
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Win Expectancy (via Fangraphs)
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There are very few things I feel I know for certain about baseball, and one of them is that the game is very difficult. That being the case, how in the world is it possible that Bartolo Colon can make it look this easy?

Big Sexy cruised through 7.0 innings of work, holding the Brewers scoreless on five hits and a walk. He even struck out five batters. Milwaukee only managed to get two runners as far as second base against Colon, one of who was after the Twins had already built a 4-0 lead.

You know what? Jorge Polanco and Brian Dozier have also been making baseball look really easy so far this month. Polanco got the scoring started with an RBI double in the second inning. He had a single later on in the game, and is now 12-for-24 so far in August. The second run came on yet another Dozier home run in the third inning, which was his fifth homer of the month.

The Twins tacked on two more runs in the seventh, one on a Joe Mauer reached-on- error and the other on a Miguel Sano double. Taylor Rogers pitched a perfect eighth and Matt Belisle struck out the side in the ninth. It was Belisle’s third outing in the past four games and it was not a save situation. Here’s hoping Paul Molitor doesn’t regret running him out there somewhere down the road.

The victory gives Minnesota four straight wins, which is their longest winning streak since May 21-24. This streak has also put the Twins back to .500.

Postgame With Polanco

Twins W-L Record
Overall: 56-56 (.500)
Last 10: 6-4 (.600)
Last 20: 9-11 (.450)
Last 40: 18-22 (.450)
Last 80: 38-42 (.475)

Defensive Lineups
Here’s a look at the starting lineups from the past seven games:
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Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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Looking Ahead
Thursday: Twins (Dietrich Enns) at Milwaukee (Zach Davies), 7:10 pm CT

The Twins acquired Enns in the trade that sent Jaime Garcia to the Yankees. He’ll be making his major league debut. The 26-year-old lefty has made just eight starts in Triple-A this season, posting a 2.38 ERA and 1.08 WHIP while averaging 8.1 K/9.

To make room on the 25-man roster, poor Kennys Vargas is being optioned back to Rochester yet again.

Friday: Twins (Kyle Gibson) at Detroit (Anibal Sanchez), 6:10 pm CT
Saturday: Twins (TBD) at Detroit (Jordan Zimmermann), 5:10 pm CT

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I criticized the Vargas call up but now it looks like the FO was smarter than I am (no surprise there) and did a good thing. He can't come back for 10 days and I'm glad they didn't burn Garver for one day on the bench. Hopefully Garver can be the next man up.

 

Let's be honest. Vargas is the shuttle guy because the FO doesn't see a long term future for him with the team. He's got enough MLB experience to do the shuttle and he isn't a Twin next year unless he wants to come back on a split contract of some kind and spend most of the year in AAA. You hate to see  anybody jerked back and forth but he's the right guy for this job.  

 

Or, they could have decreased the RP list by 1, and still called up Garver and Vargas......what they did was not the only option.

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LA VIkes Fan
Aug 10 2017 09:41 AM

I agree with that, but they seem fixated on having 8 RPs even with the starting pitching starting to stabilize. I'm not sure if that's the FO or Molitor talking but they seem very reluctant to send any RP down and risk not being able to bring him back for 10 days, even Busenitz who never gets to pitch.  

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lukeduke1980
Aug 10 2017 09:41 AM

So is it time to extend Bartolo?

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LA VIkes Fan
Aug 10 2017 09:49 AM

We laugh, but we all have to admit that if Colon can pitch another year like he has since joining the Twins, he might be the best 4th/5th starter available in the organization for 2018....

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Dave The Dastardly
Aug 10 2017 09:49 AM

Anybody know what the elderly Colon is drinking? Find out so I can buy a case.

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IndyTwinsFan
Aug 10 2017 10:19 AM

 

Twins still don't need 8 relievers. Not sure I see the logic of pushing everyone else back a day either. Why not just have Enns start Sunday? Instead of messing with the rhythm of one pitcher, the choice is to mess with 3?

I heard that today was Enns' scheduled start date for Rochester. I suspect that was a big factor in the decision.

 

Small Sample Size. I predict he doesn't maintain this pace the rest of the way. (The .545 BABIP also looks unsustainable.)

 

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Polanco has been choosing better pitches and driving the ball. His process at the plate looks good, and he's keeping the bat head cocked longer, so he's got good outward snap. Doesn't mean he'll go on an incredible tear for a month, but he's got his confidence back. The slump is over. 

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Willihammer
Aug 10 2017 11:14 AM

I guess Polanco's done grieving.

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Brock Beauchamp
Aug 10 2017 11:19 AM

 

So is it time to extend Bartolo?

The front office should offer him the Bobby Bonilla Special.

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diehardtwinsfan
Aug 10 2017 11:38 AM

 

So is it time to extend Bartolo?

 

If he keeps pitching like this, there would certainly be a lot worse 1 year contract offers. I'd prefer going big personally and trying to get a guy like Darvish, but if they want a 1 year guy, he would be a pretty good option if he's figured out the cause of his early season issues.

 

Anyone else remember when the Twins went 21-2 and only gained 2.5 games back in 2016.  

Last year? Are you sure?I just remember an uninterrupted string of misery last year. Was it 2015? 2006? 1988?

Looks like the old fat man can still pitch.

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Major Leauge Ready
Aug 10 2017 12:28 PM

I really enjoy watching him pitch.It's nice to see someone throw it right where they intend to most of the time.Let's see how he looks at the end of the year.A 1 year contract would be just fine with me if he looks anything like he did last night. 

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Last year? Are you sure?I just remember an uninterrupted string of misery last year. Was it 2015? 2006? 1988?

Whoops.  2006. .

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yarnivek1972
Aug 10 2017 02:08 PM

 

It's late in the season, getting everyone an extra day of rest is not a bad idea. I hope they do it more often.

Pitchers are already coddled too much.

 

The strategy of the great Braves pitchers of the 90s and beyond was to throw MORE, not less.  Jim Kaat always said that a pitchers arm will "rust out before it wears out".  

 

An extra day of rest means an extra start for the worst starter on the team.  That is something you want to avoid.

 

Even factoring in AAA, no one except Ervin figures to have more than 195 IP.  There are exactly 50 team games left, so that is 10 times through the rotation.  At most, a couple guys might make 11 more starts.  Ervin will probably be at 210-215 IP. Adding in the 40 at AAA for Berrios, he might hit 195.  He threw 170 last year, so not a big jump at all. In terms of pitches thrown, it might end up being a wash as Berrios threw a lot of pitches in few MLB IP last year. Gibson probably 165, assuming he actually makes 10 more starts.  Assuming Mejia only misses two starts, he figures to check in at 155 to 160.  That after 135 last year.  Santiago, who knows?  Maybe 150 if he makes 9 more starts.

 

Point being, really no one has thrown more than they should.

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yarnivek1972
Aug 10 2017 02:14 PM

 

I heard that today was Enns' scheduled start date for Rochester. I suspect that was a big factor in the decision.

Actually, now that I think about it, I understand the logic too.  I don't agree with it, but I understand it.  Enns is the guy most likely to be lifted from the rotation when Santiago returns.  I believe Santiago pitches tonight as well.  Coincidence?  I say no.

Funny, after the last 3 starts, the posters ripping the "old fat guy" in the rotation as stupid and incomprehensible have all but disappeared.
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Funny, after the last 3 starts, the posters ripping the "old fat guy" in the rotation as stupid and incomprehensible have all but disappeared.

 

 

Well, we can't let that happen! ;)

 

Two games sucked, one better, and 2 games good (some might be more accepting, and say "There's one legit bad start, one slightly bad/meh start, one acceptable start, one good start, one great start."). Even with the Twins, he is down 3 games to 2, or 2-2-1. Seems he owes us a couple 3 more before I get excited. The first 13 games of his season don't just not happen, either. We (and he) got lucky a couple games is how I look at it so far. He certainly will be getting at least a couple more starts that I will not enjoy watching him, no matter what happens.

Well, we can't let that happen! ;)

Two games sucked, one better, and 2 games good (some might be more accepting, and say "There's one legit bad start, one slightly bad/meh start, one acceptable start, one good start, one great start."). Even with the Twins, he is down 3 games to 2, or 2-2-1. Seems he owes us a couple 3 more before I get excited. The first 13 games of his season don't just not happen, either. We (and he) got lucky a couple games is how I look at it so far. He certainly will be getting at least a couple more starts that I will not enjoy watching him, no matter what happens.


Why does he need to perform like an ace to satisfy you?
Since joining the Twins he's got a 4.02 ERA (4.06 FIP, so it's not luck based), and his 5.33:1 k:bb ratio suggests to me that he should be able to keep it up.
That is pretty good compared to what the Twins had been getting from the back of their rotation.

Saying he owes us 2 or 3 more good starts, despite the numbers above, implies that nothing short of top of the rotation production will justify him being in the rotation. Well, I don't understand that.

Even with him, we still have one unclaimed spot, so he's not blocking anyone.

In regards to his starts with Atlanta, sure those happened. But obviously Falvey didn't think that's who he was or they wouldn't have brought him in.
I said when we signed him that they must see something from his time in Atlanta that is fixable.

I really don't see any downside to this at all.
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Actually, now that I think about it, I understand the logic too.  I don't agree with it, but I understand it.  Enns is the guy most likely to be lifted from the rotation when Santiago returns.  I believe Santiago pitches tonight as well.  Coincidence?  I say no.

 

Santiago pitched last night and didn't exactly wow anyone.

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yarnivek1972
Aug 10 2017 06:04 PM

Santiago pitched last night and didn't exactly wow anyone.


Regardless, they can't keep him on rehab indefinitely. Eventually, the Twins will have to activate him. More to the point, prior to September 1. So they can't just not use him. The Twins will have to get some kind of usage from him at least until rosters expand.

 

Why does he need to perform like an ace to satisfy you?
Since joining the Twins he's got a 4.02 ERA (4.06 FIP, so it's not luck based), and his 5.33:1 k:bb ratio suggests to me that he should be able to keep it up.
That is pretty good compared to what the Twins had been getting from the back of their rotation.

Saying he owes us 2 or 3 more good starts, despite the numbers above, implies that nothing short of top of the rotation production will justify him being in the rotation. Well, I don't understand that.

Even with him, we still have one unclaimed spot, so he's not blocking anyone.

In regards to his starts with Atlanta, sure those happened. But obviously Falvey didn't think that's who he was or they wouldn't have brought him in.
I said when we signed him that they must see something from his time in Atlanta that is fixable.

I really don't see any downside to this at all.

 

This is where I bow out. I am expressing my opinion, and do not enjoy others assigning theirs to me. I am happy for you that you are happy with Colon.

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Sorry. Certainly didn't mean to assign an opinion to you.
He's been a low 4 ERA starter here, and the numbers show its not luck dependent.
Yet, that doesn't appear to be good enough for you, since not all of his starts have been good (and only aces don't regularly have bad starts mixed in).
I'm just trying to understand your opinion on him.
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Pitchers are already coddled too much.

 

The strategy of the great Braves pitchers of the 90s and beyond was to throw MORE, not less.  Jim Kaat always said that a pitchers arm will "rust out before it wears out".  

 

An extra day of rest means an extra start for the worst starter on the team.  That is something you want to avoid.

 

Even factoring in AAA, no one except Ervin figures to have more than 195 IP.  There are exactly 50 team games left, so that is 10 times through the rotation.  At most, a couple guys might make 11 more starts.  Ervin will probably be at 210-215 IP. Adding in the 40 at AAA for Berrios, he might hit 195.  He threw 170 last year, so not a big jump at all. In terms of pitches thrown, it might end up being a wash as Berrios threw a lot of pitches in few MLB IP last year. Gibson probably 165, assuming he actually makes 10 more starts.  Assuming Mejia only misses two starts, he figures to check in at 155 to 160.  That after 135 last year.  Santiago, who knows?  Maybe 150 if he makes 9 more starts.

 

Point being, really no one has thrown more than they should.

 

No one has thrown more than they should but even in the 90s teams worked to have a bullpen game every once in awhile and give a guy a break. I can do ten sets of ten pushups but will do better on the later ones if I get a bit of a break between sets six and seven (well no I can't do ten sets of ten, but if I could this would be true). Getting an extra day off in the heat and drag of August is probably not a bad idea.

 

An extra start might mean an extra start for the worst starter (might not too depending on how things end - with 50 games each of the five spots should get 10 starts so who cares what order the five are in) but the point is that the starts in between might be better if guys get an extra days rest 2/3 of the way through the year.

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yarnivek1972
Aug 10 2017 08:06 PM

No one has thrown more than they should but even in the 90s teams worked to have a bullpen game every once in awhile and give a guy a break. I can do ten sets of ten pushups but will do better on the later ones if I get a bit of a break between sets six and seven (well no I can't do ten sets of ten, but if I could this would be true). Getting an extra day off in the heat and drag of August is probably not a bad idea.

An extra start might mean an extra start for the worst starter (might not too depending on how things end - with 50 games each of the five spots should get 10 starts so who cares what order the five are in) but the point is that the starts in between might be better if guys get an extra days rest 2/3 of the way through the year.

Other than Berrios, the Twins current starting pitchers aren't flamethrowers. For the most part, Gibson, Santana and Colon rely on command and movement to get outs. Every time I've seen/heard anyone discuss the subject, they say those type of pitchers tend to do worse with extra rest.
 


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