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Miguel Sano's Moonshot

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MIN 4, BOS 3: Twins Win in 17th Inning, Get First Walk-Off

For the first time this season the Twins win on a walk-off hit from (who else?) Max Kepler. It was the longest game of the season for both teams tonight and both bullpens were lights out, but one had to blow it. Kepler also hit a game-tying single in the eighth inning and a game-tying homer in the 13th.
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Box Score
Pineda: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 73.8% strikes (59 of 80 pitches)
Bullpen: 11 IP, 12 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 12 K

Home Runs: Max Kepler (18)
Multi-Hit Games: Cron (2-5), Kepler (3-5 HR), Rosario (4-8, 3 2B), Schoop (2-7)

WPA of +0.1: Kepler .847, Littell .288, Magill .288, Duffey .288, Rosario .263, Pineda .235, Rogers .144, Parker .144
WPA of -0.1: Harper -.129, Schoop -.161, Cave -.165, Cron -.228, Garver -.240, Morin -.289, Polanco -.294, Sano -.433

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(chart via FanGraphs)

Clutch Kepler
After not being in the starting lineup, Kepler pitch-hit for Gonzalez in the sixth inning. He drew a walk in his first plate appearance, then came up clutch in the eighth with a two-out single to tie the game at 2-2. In the 13th inning, with the game on the line, Kepler led off the inning with a solo shot, again to tie the game.



Who better to get the first walk-off hit for the Twins than the guy who tied the game twice earlier. With one out in the 17th inning, and bases loaded, Kepler delivered for the Twins to keep the streak going without losing three games in a row.



Bullpens Dominate
Both bullpens did an excellent job following the starters’ strong starts. David Price gave the Sox five innings and Michael Pineda gave the Twins six innings, and each allowed just one run. The bullpens came into work after that were very good through 12 innings. Ultimately, one of them was going to blow this game though.

The Twins’ bullpen was the first one to surrender a run, and it came off a leadoff home run in the seventh. Trevor May, Taylor Rogers, Tyler Duffey, and Blake Parker were able to keep the game going into the 12th with six shutout innings giving up only four hits with seven strikeouts.

The Sox bullpen had a little more work to do, but had the same results. They gave up the tying run in the eighth inning with a pair of walks and a two-out hit. They combined for seven innings giving up only five hits and striking out 11, but gave up four walks.

Both bullpens surrendered a run in the 13th inning which kept the game going. Both runs came from a lead-off home run. For the Sox it was Mookie Betts, and for the Twins, it was Kepler.

After the 14th inning, it was back to the stalemate. In the bottom of the 15th, Velazquez gave up a lead-off double, but C.J. Cron hit a hard line drive straight to first that ended in a double play when Eddie Rosario was caught drifting too far from second base. In the top of the 17th, Littell got out of a big jam with zero outs and a runner on third.

Familiar Foe
Pineda has faced the Red Sox 12 other times in his career and had a great outing tonight. In 12 games against the Sox, he is 5-5 and has a career 4.23 ERA and 1.2 WHIP in 66 innings. Pineda was with the Yankees for 11 of those starts and with Seattle for the other.

Coming off probably his best start of the season, Pineda followed up Berrios’ gem last night with a solid outing of his own, and arguably his best outing of the season. He faced 22 batters and got 15 first-pitch strikes. He faced the minimum number of batters in the first three innings thanks to a double play in the first. He had two double plays turned behind him tonight.

Unfortunately, the offenses failed to give these starters much aid and neither was able to pick up the win.

Here’s a great article on how Pineda has been a huge upgrade as the Twins’ fifth starter.

Postgame With Baldelli


Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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Apparently Eddie didn't actually break any rules on that bunt. Cora says he's sorry for whining
https://www.nbcsport...-it-wrong-after


Rule 6.06 (a) states that a batter is out for illegal action if, "he hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box."

Like tennis, any part of the foot on the line counts as in the box. The umps seem to never call the violation of this rule when the players intentionally kick the back line into non-existent and have the back foot totally out of the box.... that has no demarcation anymore. That happens all the time and is ignored.
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IndianaTwin
Jun 19 2019 12:07 PM

Not to make excuses for him, but it was extremely late! I know my judgement wasn't good after midnight, as I was still listening to this game. :)
 
And it must have seemed pretty egregious at the time -- Gladden also seemed to think he was out of the box on the radio broadcast. And it's a much different kind of call than balls & strikes too.


Not to mention that often times the explosion comes after a buildup of frustration on other calls. Particularly given the timing, this play was apparently the one that lit the fuse.

Again, not to excuse him. But I suppose I’m at least giving him an excuse.

 

They were saying on eddies bunt attempt he left the batters box.
I personally think he did a little but he made a conscious effort to stay in.

The rule states that the batter must be "entirely outside the batter's box."

The crazy thing - or at least until Cora lost his mind - watching on the MLB app - Jack Morris did not know the rule. How do you not know that rule? That seemed extremely odd to me.

Also, how could Cora really believe that Rosario had left the box entirely? Rosey was way out there, but the box is pretty dang big. And it always has been. Cora's entire career its been that big...

Man. That seems to betray the fact that the BoSox are not that good, are not playing that well, and are beginning to see a future that does not include them in the playoffs this year.

 

Not to mention that often times the explosion comes after a buildup of frustration on other calls. Particularly given the timing, this play was apparently the one that lit the fuse.

Again, not to excuse him. But I suppose I’m at least giving him an excuse.

He could also be trying to try and bolster his team after a tough loss because we have another one to play today.

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Rule 6.06 (a) states that a batter is out for illegal action if, "he hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box."

Like tennis, any part of the foot on the line counts as in the box. The umps seem to never call the violation of this rule when the players intentionally kick the back line into non-existent and have the back foot totally out of the box.... that has no demarcation anymore. That happens all the time and is ignored.

 

Yeah looking at the replay I couldn't see the line clearly either.Almost impossible to call it when it is that close and the line that hard to see.At any rate it appears to me looking at the video that umps made the right call. Honestly I don't know how they can keep track of everything they have to do behind the plate.

Didn't Boston have a 6 game winning streak going into this game? And they were pretty close to making it 7. I wouldn't call that "not playing that well", myself.
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I'll be the crazy fan that defends Sano. And my defense is this: It's a a long season, all hitters go through peaks and valleys. Hot streaks and cold streaks. Remember when Kepler was 0 for 21? Remember when Marwin couldn't hit anything for the entire month of April? Peaks and valleys. Also when you consider that Sano is an all or nothing hitter his valleys will look worse and are filled with strike outs. On the other side his peaks are filled with home runs and doubles. Right now he is in a valley, but I believe a peak is on the horizon.

 

I'll also defend Garver on the pick off, even though it was a bone headed play. He was trying to get a good lead so that if the ball was put in play on the ground he would be able to beat a throw home. He wandered farther than he should have and he should have slide back into third. It was a good lesson for him to learn in a regular season game. Now he knows not to do that again.

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MVP Nick Punto
Jun 19 2019 12:29 PM

And by 30 innings, I of course meant 30 pitches.


Or that game went even longer than I thought.

Ahh, good catch. I was ready to jump on ya.
Kepler is a star. Most underrated player right now in the MLB (outside of MN). Very few corner outfielders in the game that are better (yes, he’s better right now than Judge who plays on a T-ball field in NY).

He actually had a better game last night than the scorebook will tell you. Be got “robbed” of another XBH and RBI or two on the walkoff

Polanco has gotten a ton of praise (rightfully so?), but where would this team be without Kepler?. He might be my front runner for team MVP right now.

 

The rule states that the batter must be "entirely outside the batter's box."

The crazy thing - or at least until Cora lost his mind - watching on the MLB app - Jack Morris did not know the rule. How do you not know that rule? That seemed extremely odd to me.

Also, how could Cora really believe that Rosario had left the box entirely? Rosey was way out there, but the box is pretty dang big. And it always has been. Cora's entire career its been that big...

Man. That seems to betray the fact that the BoSox are not that good, are not playing that well, and are beginning to see a future that does not include them in the playoffs this year.

See 2 posts above yours: Rule 6.06 (a) states that a batter is out for illegal action if, "he hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box."

 

In real time, with the chalk worn away, it certainly looked like either one of Rosario's feet could have been outside of the box. He took multiple steps during the pitch!

I'll be the crazy fan that defends Sano. And my defense is this: It's a a long season, all hitters go through peaks and valleys. Hot streaks and cold streaks. Remember when Kepler was 0 for 21? Remember when Marwin couldn't hit anything for the entire month of April? Peaks and valleys. Also when you consider that Sano is an all or nothing hitter his valleys will look worse and are filled with strike outs. On the other side his peaks are filled with home runs and doubles. Right now he is in a valley, but I believe a peak is on the horizon.

I'll also defend Garver on the pick off, even though it was a bone headed play. He was trying to get a good lead so that if the ball was put in play on the ground he would be able to beat a throw home. He wandered farther than he should have and he should have slide back into third. It was a good lesson for him to learn in a regular season game. Now he knows not to do that again.


The Sano chatter is ridiculous. They don’t like the man personally, do it affect the baseball opinion (where are all of the overweight comments about fan-fave Tortuga?).

First off, he’s basically in spring training right now. He’s behind everyone, and he’s seeing real live pitching (not some guy working on his changeup or career minor leaguer).

Before last nights game, his OPS was still over .900, I believe, which is elite. After last night to sill above .850, still elite.

I saw a stat recently regarding his HR/AB. It was significantly higher than the year he was called up midway through and took the league by storm (everyone thought he was a future HOF then).

Your slump observation is perfectly valid. It’s laughable that people only fault Sano for this (have they seen Schoop lately?). Did people really expect him to hit 85 HRs in 3/4 of a season and OPS 1.200 the whole year?

Sano is a huge part of this team.

When it comes to Garver, there is no circumstance in any alternate reality where getting picked off of 3rd with 2 on and nobody out is defensible. It’s the worst possible mental mistake you can make. This team is OPSing higher than any other team in history. You don’t have to get the extra 5 ft. If he were a borderline player this year as in the past, he’s back in Rochester the next day.
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IndianaTwin
Jun 19 2019 12:44 PM

The rule states that the batter must be "entirely outside the batter's box."
The crazy thing - or at least until Cora lost his mind - watching on the MLB app - Jack Morris did not know the rule. How do you not know that rule? That seemed extremely odd to me.
Also, how could Cora really believe that Rosario had left the box entirely? Rosey was way out there, but the box is pretty dang big. And it always has been. Cora's entire career its been that big...
Man. That seems to betray the fact that the BoSox are not that good, are not playing that well, and are beginning to see a future that does not include them in the playoffs this year.


Maybe Jack did not know the rule because it’s so rarely enforced!

I was also thinking about how batters are typically hugging the back line. I wonder if that has the effect of making anyone in front the plate SEEM like they are out of the box.
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[quote name="spycake" post="866123" timestamp="1560969109"]

See 2 posts above yours: Rule 6.06 (a) states that a batter is out for illegal action if, "he hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box."

In real time, with the chalk worn away, it certainly looked like either one of Rosario's feet could have been outside of the box. He took multiple steps during the pitch![/quote

Yup. I thought he stepped out initially...it was closer than you think. After 17 inn of an emotion filled game, I get where he was coming from (during the game-not after when he went ballistic)
Living on the west coast is awesome for these types of games. One of the best games I have ever seen front to back.
Sano: think he will be okay. Most ABs a player gets 1 pitch to hit. Noticing he is fouling a lot of those pitches straight back the last few games.
Garver: got caught a bit in between on the pickoff...looked a combination of shocked and too close to the base to slide. But what a game to catch all 17 inn!
Guts and balls. Lots of both from a lot of players.
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tarheeltwinsfan
Jun 19 2019 01:33 PM

 

not on the 40 man, is he?

You are correct Chief. I really want to see him get a chance at pitching in the majors. He is a man who has high moral values...but then so do I, but I can't pitch very well.

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yarnivek1972
Jun 19 2019 02:05 PM
So, an .847 WPA, huh?

That’s got to be one of the highest single game totals of the year, right?
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yarnivek1972
Jun 19 2019 02:09 PM

The Sano chatter is ridiculous. They don’t like the man personally, do it affect the baseball opinion (where are all of the overweight comments about fan-fave Tortuga?).

First off, he’s basically in spring training right now. He’s behind everyone, and he’s seeing real live pitching (not some guy working on his changeup or career minor leaguer).

Before last nights game, his OPS was still over .900, I believe, which is elite. After last night to sill above .850, still elite.

I saw a stat recently regarding his HR/AB. It was significantly higher than the year he was called up midway through and took the league by storm (everyone thought he was a future HOF then).

Your slump observation is perfectly valid. It’s laughable that people only fault Sano for this (have they seen Schoop lately?). Did people really expect him to hit 85 HRs in 3/4 of a season and OPS 1.200 the whole year?

Sano is a huge part of this team.

When it comes to Garver, there is no circumstance in any alternate reality where getting picked off of 3rd with 2 on and nobody out is defensible. It’s the worst possible mental mistake you can make. This team is OPSing higher than any other team in history. You don’t have to get the extra 5 ft. If he were a borderline player this year as in the past, he’s back in Rochester the next day.


I have nothing personal for or against Sano. I do have a problem with a guy who was promoted, even to some degree by this FO - but moreso by the previous regime, as the next Harmon Killebrew and is looking more like the next Chris Davis.
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Nine of twelve
Jun 19 2019 02:15 PM

 

I still want to know why the 3rd base coach didn't notice the 3rd base getting in behind Garver.

When you are a MLB coach you need to keep track of batted balls because Mike Coolbaugh.

So, an .847 WPA, huh?

That’s got to be one of the highest single game totals of the year, right?

Yep, it's #1 so far.

 

All-time? Take a look at this game in 1966, where Art Shamsky came in during the top of the 8th inning as part of a double-switch when a reliever was called in. He hit a home run in the bottom of the inning to give his Reds a lead. Their bullpen coughed up a run in the top of the 9th, and then a go-ahead run in the 10th, so in the bottom of the 10th Shamsky launched another one to extend the game. The Pirates scored two more in the 11th, and Shamsky responded with a two-run shot to send it to the 12th. Only one Red reached base after that, so when the Pirates took the lead again in the 13th, the lead held up because Cardenas grounded into a game-ending DP, leaving Shamsky in the hole.

 

WPA of 1.503, and like Kepler it was only a partial game's worth of work. And the team still lost!

 

https://www.baseball...196608120.shtml

 

PS. Then there's Jimmie Foxx's 1.307 WPA game, in a 18-17 barnburner. He went 6-for-9 plus a walk, including 3 HR. He played all 18 innings, and I guess that watered down his clutch numbers a bit. Shortstop Johnny Burnett had a .910 WPA for the opponents. No pitcher for either team had a positive WPA, unsurprisingly. (There were only 5 pitchers total!)

 

https://www.baseball...193207100.shtml

 

Our own Nelson Cruz ranks third all time with 1.220 for this game while he was with Baltimore. He went 4-for-5 with two homers and a triple, driving in every Oriole run in a 7-5 extra innings win.

 

https://www.baseball...201409070.shtml

David Freese, .964 WPA for 2011 WS Game 6 is pretty impressive too!
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I rooted for the guy, but Cave is an automatic out. I realize La Tortuga can't play center but, he brings a mystical element to the team all unlikely champion teams need.

 

I rooted for the guy, but Cave is an automatic out. I realize La Tortuga can't play center but, he brings a mystical element to the team all unlikely champion teams need.

I don't know that it's fair to dump on Cave after one game in which a lot of guys struggled to hit. Also, I agree on La Tortuga, he is some type of mythical creature that brings joy and winning with him wherever he goes.

Also, I agree on La Tortuga, he is some type of mythical creature that brings joy and winning with him wherever he goes.

This season, when he's played the entire game, the Twins have gone 16-8. In his partial games, they are 6-3. In games he has not played (including his stint in Rochester), they are 26-13. I'm not seeing a big difference in win frequency. :)

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This season, when he's played the entire game, the Twins have gone 16-8. In his partial games, they are 6-3. In games he has not played (including his stint in Rochester), they are 26-13. I'm not seeing a big difference in win frequency. :)


He did say mythical ...
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jorgenswest
Jun 19 2019 06:17 PM

I don't know that it's fair to dump on Cave after one game in which a lot of guys struggled to hit. Also, I agree on La Tortuga, he is some type of mythical creature that brings joy and winning with him wherever he goes.


I agree. I am sure the day started with little sleep and a lot of travel followed by a long game.

 

Exactly. This is what the Sox were showing several times last night. I don't know how you look at that, either as a player or a manager, and not exploit it.

Not only will it get you on base, but it will make the other team feel like morons. Stuff like that turns a game around.

 

Unfortuneately, most of the guys on the Twins, when they try to bunt, can't do it. Pop it up, foul, or miss the ball all together. Seems like an easy skill to have. 


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