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Why isn't Buxton on MLB OPS leaders list?

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Buxton is listed only on the MLB HR leaders list. Not on OPS or AVG or SLG or OBP. He should be the leader in several of these. He has as...
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Game Thread: Twins vs. Seattle, 4/10/21 @ 1:10pm

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Welcome back to the Twins Daily game thread party! After a rare Friday night off the Minnesota Twins will take on the Seattle Mariners t...
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Morneau

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I thought he was was really good last year. Maybe I'm on an opening day high (Not high) but he is so good.Who would have thought he would...
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The 5 Rule Draft

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This year's Rule 5 draft we lost Akil Baddo and Tyler Wells. So I thought I'd check to see how they were doing. 1st I checked on Baddo, h...
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Ex Twins in 2021: Where Are They Now?

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One of my favorite annual threads on the site. Let’s stay updated on ex-Twins in the news... This is a start of a list, and feel free to...
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MIN 2, MIL 0: Take a Bow, José Berríos

José Berríos pitched six no-hit innings with 12 strikeouts before Rocco Baldelli turned Saturday night’s game over to the bullpen. Come read all about it in tonight’s game recap.
Image courtesy of © Jeff Hanisch-USA TODAY Sports
Box Score
Berríos: 6.0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 12 K
Home Runs: Buxton (2)
Top 3 WPA: Berríos .366, Buxton .168, Rogers .111
Win Probability Chart (via FanGraphs):
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Everyone has at least one sports moment that is imprinted in their memory.

For those who fancy themselves as fans of the Minnesota Twins, these moments usually come in the form of Games. Game 163. Game 6. Game 7.

Saturday night, we witnessed another one of those Games, however, this one won’t be remembered for its numerical value. This one will forever be remembered as The José Berríos Game.

Berríos was hot from the start, averaging 95.3 mph on his four-seam fastball through the first two innings and touching 96 mph on multiple occasions. For much of last season as well as the later half of the 2019 season, Berríos’ velocity would tend to dip beginning around the fourth inning. That was not an issue Saturday night, however, as his fastball sat 95 all night in addition to a sinker that averaged 94.7 mph, according to Baseball Savant.



Berríos combined his fastball velocity masterfully with a devastating curveball and occasional changeup to keep the Brewers’ hitters on their heels all night. He exited after 84 pitches and six innings of ace-level pitching, accumulating 12 strikeouts and zero walks, as well as a 50% overall Whiff% and 34.9 WPA, along the way.



Unfortunately for the Twins, Milwaukee Brewers’ starter Corbin Burnes also brought his A-game. Like his Minnesota counterpart, Burnes was nasty from the opening frame, touching 99 mph with his sinker and 98 with his cutter.

Burnes is atypical in the current age of MLB as he has a legitimate five-pitch arsenal, all five of which he can employ to strikeout opposing hitters. The Twins found this out the hard way, as they struck out 11 times and did not register a hit.

That is until Byron Buxton came to the plate in the top of the seventh inning.



Buxton’s second home run of the season broke up Burnes' no-hitter and ended his night. While not as visually impressive as his 456-foot bomb Thursday afternoon, Buxton’s home run to center field in the middle of a no-hitter was perhaps just as impressive.



The Brewers’ broke up the Twins’ no-hitter when Omar Narváez laced a single off Tyler Duffey in the eighth inning. (Taylor Rogers entered the game in place of Berríos in the seventh inning and struck out the side.) Minnesota added a second run in the eighth inning on a Luis Arráez single that brought in Andrelton Simmons.

In all, the Twins struck out 17 Milwaukee batters Saturday night - in recompense for the 17 strikeouts they suffered at the hands of the Brewers on opening night - and did not walk any in what was arguably one of the most dominant nights of pitching in franchise history.

The Twins and Brewers will be back in action on Sunday afternoon when Michael Pineda and Adrian Houser face off with the series on the line. First pitch is scheduled for 1:10 p.m.

Postgame With Berríos

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Brock Beauchamp
Apr 04 2021 10:03 AM

I also have to disagree.

A baseball games that's under 3 hours if generally a better game to watch than the 4.5 hour opener. I've never heard anybody leaving the stadium after a shutout complain that they didn't see more wall catches or double plays.

I agree that yesterday’s game was a pretty good watch but when I noticed the game crossed the three hour mark, I groaned a little.

15 years ago, that’s a 2-2.5 hour game and it would be better for it.

PS. The opener was a terrible spectator game. Sloppy, slow, and boring.
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The Twins struck out 17 times on Friday, 13 times last night. The strikeout is the most common out for the Twins so far this year and it isn't even close. Combine that with Milwaukee's 17 strikeouts last night....frankly, reruns of the "Golden Girls" might be more exciting.

 

To be fair, Burnes' pitches were perfectly executed and on the money almost every time.

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Well, based on the season so far, they're clearly a .500 team. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a high draft pick. Bring on the Vikings. ;)

 

Sadly, the Vikings are an ~.500 team too (with where the roster is now, it could of course change)

 

Why on earth would Rocco yank Berrios? Let the man get his first career no-hitter!

 

 

So as not to blow out Berrios' arm so early in the season. As the season progresses and pitchers are more stretched out he would have been left in. It was a smart managerial move to pull him and preserve his health for a long season and longer career. Every pitcher knows that fact.

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Let a guy try to make history, no matter what time of the season it is. Berrios has no injury history anyways to be worried about. And all that stuff about not pitching much last year, that should mean they have more in the tank this year right? When a starter is that locked in, you ride that horse till it drops. 

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Brock Beauchamp
Apr 04 2021 10:48 AM

When a starter is that locked in, you ride that horse till it drops.

Yikes, no. The Twins have a good bullpen and I want to see Berrios pitch 30 times this season. There’s so little to gain by leaving him in and so much to lose.

Personally, I probably would have sent him out for the seventh but almost surely not the eighth.
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So as not to blow out Berrios' arm so early in the season. As the season progresses and pitchers are more stretched out he would have been left in. It was a smart managerial move to pull him and preserve his health for a long season and longer career. Every pitcher knows that fact.

 

Concur. Welcome to Twins Daily!

I like Rocco as a manager, but sometimes falls into the pattern with the bullpen...
I do not necessarily agree with Rocco's bullpen usage decision for game #2, using the same relievers again...Especially if they are unable to pitch in game #3.I don't like the idea using the "best' relievers in same game this early in the season... 
they are 8 relievers in the bullpen.If the Twins find themselves in lead in the 9th, one of "other" relievers will need close.

Why didn't Rocco PH with Garlick for Cave against the lefty-Sutter, especially if Hader may pitch later???

Call me old school but can you imagine taking Carleton, Seaver, Maddux, Clemens, Koufax, Palmer and countless others out of a no-hit game after 84 pitches, 12 k's and no walks...no matter when it was pitched? Come on. How often does a pitcher get to throw a no-hitter? By taking him out, does that insure he gets 30 starts?

This is major league baseball for Pete's sake. Or it least it was as I remembered it.

It was stupid taking him out. You always want a chance to see something exceptional...since afterall baseball is still entertainment, correct?

 

If starting pitchers today are that fragile (and apparently they are) the sportand its fans are the losers. When someone is doing something extraordinary...you let him finish the job.

 

Totally not a fan of that decision and I suspect I'll get booed off the site for feeling that way. I want to see a baseball game, not a scientific experiment in sabremetrics, statistics and all the other stuff that has infiltrated the game.

 

Ok. off the soapbox.

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FritzDahmus
Apr 04 2021 11:10 AM

Twins lose on opening day in the 9th to a really good team and it's complain, complain, complain, Twins win against same team in the SECOND game of a 162 season and it's; complain, compla..., I've loved this site since it's inception but I remember a few years back there was a "Rookies and Lurkers" thread where the 1st response mentioned the negativity of this site as a reason they probably won't visit often. I've come to that point; I appreciate all the actual BB reporting and talk but the number of negative micro-managing comments is wearing me thin. I don't have rainbow glasses and criticism is an important part of life, but seriously, it's baseball, this team is considered one of the top teams by people who aren't Twins fans, enjoy positive moments, and actually trust the "it's a long season" mantra.




You do realize..............you are complaining....about people complaining.

In your complaint you need specifics [makes it interesting]. For example: Berrios getting yanked early should not be complained about because [insert your complaint here].

Otherwise, it's just whining. You're the one with negativity [whatever that is]....and we are the interesting ones.

I bet you miss Sid's columns. I miss Sid...but not his columns.

I'll also say that after only two games, this board is a swirl of contentiousness already. Strong opinions in both directions. Frankly as in most things in the past few years, there is no middle ground and no one will more off their strongly held opinions, based on what I am reading. One side is just plain stupid to feel the way they do. the other side equally as stupid. Yay.

 

I agree with those who find strikeouts boring. Exhibit A is Sano. To enjoy a potential 500 ft bomb every 6th game, you also have to endure 5 games where he will fan minimally 10 times and kill perhaps as many rallies. If this is what everyone wants, fine. Be prepared for a season of it. And I will hope that that HR he hits every 6th game is a game winner. (no sarcasm...that too would be fine!)

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Well, it was 84 pitches, not 80 (and as noted elsewhere, it wasn't a perfect game since he drilled Wong), but I'm guessing that doesn't matter to you. What if he had been at 90? or 95? It's his first start of the year.

 

But the true silliness is the idea that this will have any impact on whether Berrios will sign an extension with the Twins or walk when he hits free agency. do you really think this is going to eat at him? "Those bastards, I could have had a no-hitter but they made a priority of my long term health and career!"

 

I think if it's May or later and he's got some starts under him he goes out for the 7th for sure. But they're not going to risk the season for one night in april, and that's fine. That's just the way baseball is played now, and I'm sorry if you're holding on so tight to a notion of "old school" baseball that it's ruining your enjoyment of the game, but the old ways aren't always best.

I won't bother to go through the literally 100 or even 1,000sof pitchers who had complete game shut outs in ***GASP**** April/May.

 

Not all pitchers have the same durability/injury risk much less even the same pitcher in different outings.

 

To be solely focused on pitch count alone is wildly simplistic and naive.

 

Yes there are other 'metrics' such as clear deviation in mechanics/control/velocity which are equally important. But that requires actually watching the game and not only the analytic cheat sheets.

 

Again, love analytics, but they need to be applied with real world observation/experience.

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KirbyDome89
Apr 04 2021 12:01 PM

 

Remember that time Johan threw a no hitter and went way over his planned workload and was never a good pitcher again*?

That was cool.

*we don’t know for certain that the no hitter was at fault for his rapid decline but we don’t know it wasn’t, either

That seems like a bit of a false equivalence no?

 

We're going to discount the anterior capsule surgery and his age at that time? 

 

Personally I disagree with pulling Berrios, but there's a defense of that decision which doesn't involve speculation that Johan's career ended because he was allowed to complete his own no hitter. 

We get an idea how good Berrios can be when his mechanics are...just...right. Suddenly his heater hops up to 96. Suddenly his curve breaks a foot in the last ten feet of travel. Suddenly he's popping all his pitches within inches of where the catcher holds his glove. 

 

Glorious. Reminds me of mid-career Roger Federer, who could effortlessly serve a tennis ball into a far corner or right down the middle. Almost always it was 127 mph. Federer himself said he could hit it harder, but there was no need. Perfect control at 127 will do just fine.

 

Same is true for Jose Berrios. When the mechanics are...just...right, the ball explodes out of his hand, with minimum effort. Because of this, a hitter cannot key off of the pitcher's "muscling up" to heave a big heater, much less read the change up, which was getting helpless whiffs. Same goes for his curve: By getting all the power early from his legs and torso, with such good poise, he can toss the curve wherever he wants.

 

Funny thing is, Berrios should be able to dominate even more, if he can hang onto the mechanics he had Saturday. This could be quite a season for the guy we all want to become the ace of the Minnesota Twins. 

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Is there game threads tis year? If so, where do I locate them?

Thank you.
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Brock Beauchamp
Apr 04 2021 12:48 PM

That seems like a bit of a false equivalence no?

We're going to discount the anterior capsule surgery and his age at that time?

Personally I disagree with pulling Berrios, but there's a defense of that decision which doesn't involve speculation that Johan's career ended because he was allowed to complete his own no hitter.

The point being that pushing a pitcher outside his typical work load in pursuit of a rather meaningless individual achievement is foolish and risky.

Doubly so if the pitcher is in his first start of the season.
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'a rather meaningless individual achievement'. That comment doesn't deserve further comment.

The point being that pushing a pitcher outside his typical work load in pursuit of a rather meaningless individual achievement is foolish and risky.

Doubly so if the pitcher is in his first start of the season.

Oddly, I don't think I've seen it brought up that Rocco alluded to an "individual achievement," in his post-game explanation for the "quick" hook. He said that the run Buxton scored was instrumental. With the lead, Berrios was suddenly in line to collect the "W". Take him out, and he can not be saddled with an unlucky "L". Instead, the downside for our prized arm was only a non-decision. That logic wouldn't apply if the score had remained 0-0, and Rocco implied Berrios would have gone another inning in that case. I can't know if the pitcher accepts this logic as partial compensation for losing the chance for a no-no, but my guess is that it helps.
 

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Is there game threads tis year? If so, where do I locate them?

Thank you.

 

Yes ... in the Twins Talk forum.

 

 ... maximizing performance (under whatever rules happen to be in place) is the object of major league baseball.  

 

Maybe, but if you are a fly on the wall at the owners meetings, I'll bet you'd conclude that the performance they most want to maximize is revenues minus expenditures.And that correlates with spectating experience.

In the end...Twins played real well..won the series and now have to 'worry' about where to play Arraez when Donaldson comes back. Keeping this hitting maching on the bench as a utility player is unthinkable.

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KirbyDome89
Apr 04 2021 09:51 PM

 

The point being that pushing a pitcher outside his typical work load in pursuit of a rather meaningless individual achievement is foolish and risky.

Doubly so if the pitcher is in his first start of the season.

Ignoring the assumed knowledge of where the line for manageable is, and what happens when it's crossed, he threw 84 pitches yesterday, which doesn't even put him into the typical workload range. The guy started the season with complete game just a couple years ago but letting him to continue to cruise yesterday was foolish and risky? Disagree.

Sign of the times: during the first 4 days of the 2021 season, no starting pitcher went further than 7 innings...and there were very few who managed that. If anyone chooses to go back into the archives of the 60's and 70's, they would see a totally different result from starting pitchers.

 

The game as we knew it has definitely changed. Some like it, some don't. I guess we just need to hop into the canoe and paddle downstream with the winds of change.

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Maybe, but if you are a fly on the wall at the owners meetings, I'll bet you'd conclude that the performance they most want to maximize is revenues minus expenditures.And that correlates with spectating experience.

Don't overlook Capital Appreciation. :)
 

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Great effort by Berrios.

 

Overall though, this game was still pretty tough to watch. The Twins struck out 17 times on Friday, 13 times last night. The strikeout is the most common out for the Twins so far this year and it isn't even close. Combine that with Milwaukee's 17 strikeouts last night....frankly, reruns of the "Golden Girls" might be more exciting.

 

You can frame it as a "classic pitcher's duel" if you must, and sure we can get away with that summary today. But this type of strikeout-heavy performance has become all too common in today's MLB. If the Twins strike out 15-20 times again today, even if they win, it's frankly unwatchable baseball. As someone else mentioned, if you wonder why MLB is losing fans, the strikeouts are Exhibit A.

 

Striking out not only removes chances for hits, but it also eliminates those exciting and athletic defensive plays that we come to the ballpark to see. Not sure what MLB can do aside from moving the mound back. Might be time for that discussion.

 

Great job Berrios, wish he'd have gotten the 7th. Here's hoping Buxton stays healthy! Arraez looking great so far at 3B. Duffey looking pretty shaky.

 

I'll take 1-1, here's hoping the Twins win the series today!

I too wish it was 1920. Lets deaden the ball and move the mound back and ban the shift and start throwing at players who show joy again. Sounds like a great plan.