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ESPN Report: Twins Could Be Mystery Team for Harper, Machado

Dreams can happen right?

Last week, I mused about the possibility of Minnesota making a bid for free agent Manny Machado. He’s young, a five-tool player, and has the potential to impact the game in multiple ways. It also helps that the White Sox have been going after him. If the Twins could steal him from their division rival, it would make the signing that much sweeter.

Could the Twins make a splash and sign Machado or Harper?
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ESPN’s Buster Olney is reporting the Twins could be one of a handful of mystery teams interested in signing either Machado or Harper. Olney’s biggest reasons for identifying the Twins is their lack of free agent spending, which gives the club an opportunity to pull off this kind of contract.

Over the last week, Minnesota’s payroll has been a hot button topic in Twins Territory. (I wrote a little about it in this week’s Twins Daily mailbag and you can listen to Gleeman and the Geek discuss it in their latest episode). Joe Mauer’s contract came off the books and the organization has few contractual commitments moving forward.

According to Forbes, Minnesota ranks 22nd in MLB team valuations. The club made $261 million in revenue last year and spent $133 million on player expenses. Currently, the Twins are projected to start next season with a payroll around $100 million.

If it takes longer for these two players to sign, their asking price could continue to drop. It could also drop the length of the contract. Both players are relatively young for reaching free agency since they made their debuts as teenagers. This could allow teams to sign them to a longer contract because the prime of their careers would be throughout most of the new deal.

Since these two players debuted in 2012, Harper has the 12th highest WAR total, while Machado comes in at 15th. These are two of the best players of this generation and they are reaching free agency in their prime. All of baseball should be interested… why not the Twins?

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How about 4/120 for Harper? Allows him to hit free agency again for his age 30 season.

 

I would poop my pants if the Twins sign one of these guys. The money is absolutely there, but a long-term investment, and a very expensive one at that, seems highly unlikely for this organization. I sincerely doubt that this will happen, but we can always dream, right?

 

For the record, if we do, by some miracle, sign one of these guys, the Twins are winning the AL Central in 2019. Book it. Screenshot this and show me in September. If the Twins sign Harper or Machado, the Twins will win the AL Central in 2019.

Your laundress just donated her paycheck to the Yankees sign Machado fund.

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Honestly. I don't think it would necessarily have anything to do with Minnesota -- opt-out clauses seem pretty standard these days. Heyward and Darvish got them in Chicago, Price and Martinez in Boston, etc.

I tend to think opt-out clauses aren't so bad. They have a value for the player, of course, which should be taken into account in the price of the contract, but it's possible the Twins wouldn't even have to deal with the last half of a Machado or Harper deal, which seems to be a common complaint among fans (although given their ages, the latter half wouldn't necessarily be onerous either).


I too am not bothered by opt outs. However, the FO went on record after Darvish didn't sign here saying they aren't willing to offer them.

 

I don't believe this propaganda. As mentioned above, it's probably an agent or agents stirring the pot. Falvine's entire long-term strategy depends on avoiding a Mauer-type contract and maintaining short-and-midrange flexibility. We all saw what happened to Joe, who was well worth the contract when he signed it. Of course, Harpado aren't catchers, where the danger is higher of career-changing injury, but too many variables in a single player's ability to contribute at pre-contract stats after the money's been exchanged. Besides, I see the Twins competing without such a coup.

You look at our current roster and think we could compete with New York, Boston, Houston, etc in the playoffs? Or you think we could be competitive against the White Sox, Detroit, and KC in the Central? Because there is a huge difference between the two.

Sign 'em both and make me believe in the Twins again. That's why we were told we needed Target Field. Otherwise shut up!

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Boy, you guys are (mostly) a bunch of Red's.  I'll be waiting for you on the beach.
 
Falvey is Andy Dufresne, and he's been hollowing out his bible and chipping away at the prison walls for a while now.  If it was obvious what he was doing, he would've got caught already.  When this happens I want all of you to go outside shirtless in a rainstorm and spin around in circles.

 

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ESPN must have looked at its stats and found that the Minnesota audience has fallen asleep so why not try to wake them up with some outlandish speculation.Nice try, but I am going back for my nap.

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TheLeviathan
Jan 23 2019 08:23 PM

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Really? No way and I don’t blame the Twins in either situation

 

Harper, 3/115
Machado, 3/115
Keuchel, 3/60
Kimbrel, 3/60
Opt outs after the 2nd year for everyone

Let’s go win a WS!!!

I think there's a decent chance you could get either Harper or Machado by offering 3/105. They make $35 million per year and this era of the teams watching their budgets closely may have passed. Also, the new CBA will be coming along and salaries may have escalated for any number of other reasons.

$35M per year and sign again while still in your prime. Might tempt a player.

Also, it is relatively short term and the Twins would likely make out OK in the $/WAR equation.

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Doesn't have to be a 10 year deal.

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108Stitches
Jan 24 2019 01:26 AM
I’d guess you could find a similar story on every single team’s fan site. I don’t see either of them coming here. Harper to LA because he is a west coast guy and likes modeling his beard.
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twinssporto
Jan 24 2019 01:47 AM

Nothing to see here. Move along...

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Aerodeliria
Jan 24 2019 02:25 AM

I love to add Harper's Ferry to the Nelson Cruz ship. I also changed my photo....

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I love to add Harper's Ferry to the Nelson Cruz ship. I also changed my photo....

Yachta not make puns like those, canoe stop?

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Speaking of hurting, do you think that having their highest paid player not give 100% every time and publicly admitting it and justifying it will help or hurt the attitude and development of the Twins' young core?

 

Is that who you want to be their role model?

 

Unfortunately.... that is the role model of the generation. It isn't just Machado or Harper not running hard everytime to first base or after the missed third strike. It is most of the players. And that includes most of the Twins. It is a sign of the times.

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Heh.... 

 

Sign 'em both. 

 

Just to make heads explode all over baseball.

 

Come on, Falvine, you're playing with house money, anyway.

 

:jump:

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I’d guess you could find a similar story on every single team’s fan site. I don’t see either of them coming here. Harper to LA because he is a west coast guy and likes modeling his beard.

But if he came to Minny, at least he'd have some actual use for a beard. 

 

B-r-r-r-r-r-r......

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diehardtwinsfan
Jan 24 2019 07:08 AM

 

 

 
 
Boy, you guys are (mostly) a bunch of Red's.  I'll be waiting for you on the beach.
 
Falvey is Andy Dufresne, and he's been hollowing out his bible and chipping away at the prison walls for a while now.  If it was obvious what he was doing, he would've got caught already.  When this happens I want all of you to go outside shirtless in a rainstorm and spin around in circles.

 

 

Kudos for a pretty awesome movie reference!

 

mod note: we'll accept verbal confirmation. Link/pic not necessary.

And here I was looking forward to linking a picture of my depends.

 

Oh wait, TMI?

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nicksaviking
Jan 24 2019 07:53 AM

 

 

I think there's a decent chance you could get either Harper or Machado by offering 3/105. They make $35 million per year and this era of the teams watching their budgets closely may have passed. Also, the new CBA will be coming along and salaries may have escalated for any number of other reasons.

$35M per year and sign again while still in your prime. Might tempt a player.

Also, it is relatively short term and the Twins would likely make out OK in the $/WAR equation.

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Doesn't have to be a 10 year deal.

 

Great point. If they can't get a big 10-year deal, Three years might be the goal, at least an opt out at that time as it looks like the CBA expires December of 2021. There might be a lot of guys positioning themselves for free agency that year, though maybe their ideas on the matter would change if there's a strike? I don't know. Maybe 2022 would be the possible big free agent bonanza year?

 

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Harper, 3/115
Machado, 3/115
Keuchel, 3/60
Kimbrel, 3/60
Opt outs after the 2nd year for everyone

Let’s go win a WS!!!

I am against signing Machado to a long term deal. I don't like him, but this kind of contract I could live with.

 

One of the reasons I'm against Machado and a long term deal is that I think as soon as Machado loses interest in playing for the team he signs with, I'm pretty sure it would show up in his play on the field. At which point, the long-term contract become an albatross. However, short term, big money? You bet go for it.

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nicksaviking
Jan 24 2019 08:08 AM

And now Steve Adams at MLBTR is playing along too. If one were to assume he saved his most likely "Mystery Team" for last, then surely the Twins will come away with Machado:

 

https://www.mlbtrade...ny-machado.html

 

Also, the paragraph he wrote about the Twins was the biggest of all the "Mystery Teams" so, this has to be in the bag.

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And now Steve Adams at MLBTR is playing along too. If one were to assume he saved his most likely "Mystery Team" for last, then surely the Twins will come away with Machado:

 

https://www.mlbtrade...ny-machado.html

 

Also, the paragraph he wrote about the Twins was the biggest of all the "Mystery Teams" so, this has to be in the bag.

At least Adams titles and frames the article in a more up front way. In terms of need and resources, Twins make a ton of sense. We all know it isn't happening, but if logic mattered, the Twins would be legitimately in on Machado.

 

I'm not paying to read the ESPN article, but the click-bait nature of the title along with the consternation leads me to believe that ESPN wasn't very genuine.

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I think there's a decent chance you could get either Harper or Machado by offering 3/105. They make $35 million per year and this era of the teams watching their budgets closely may have passed. Also, the new CBA will be coming along and salaries may have escalated for any number of other reasons.
$35M per year and sign again while still in your prime. Might tempt a player.
Also, it is relatively short term and the Twins would likely make out OK in the $/WAR equation.
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Doesn't have to be a 10 year deal.


Exactly!! Thank you for expanding on my post. Both him and Harper seem to be just as concerned with breaking the AAV record as they are with getting that mega deal. They played in the same market all these years. I say why not let them continue that but on the same team.

I am against signing Machado to a long term deal. I don't like him, but this kind of contract I could live with.

One of the reasons I'm against Machado and a long term deal is that I think as soon as Machado loses interest in playing for the team he signs with, I'm pretty sure it would show up in his play on the field. At which point, the long-term contract become an albatross. However, short term, big money? You bet go for it.


I’m no Machado fan either, hitting catchers in backswings, Donaldson incident, Pedroia spiking, foot stomp, etc. He is definitely a top end talent though, and the Twins are horribly lacking in that dept.

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