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DET 5, MIN 3: Is There Anything Left?

It’s easy to forget just how good Ervin Santana was for the 2017 Minnesota Twins. He was an All-Star, finished fifth in the American League in both ERA and WHIP. He was seventh in Cy Young Award voting. Ervin made his fourth start of this season, and saw his ERA jump to 6.53.
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Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)
Ervin Santana: 44 Game Score, 6.0 IP, 3 H, 5 ER, 5 K, 2 BB, 58.5% strikes (55 of 94 pitches)
Multi-Hit Games: Ehire Adrianza (3-for-4, 2B) Jorge Polanco (2-for-4, 2B), Logan Forsythe (2-for-4), Jake Cave (2-for-4, 2B)
WPA of 0.1 or higher: Forsythe .153
WPA of -0.1 or lower: Kepler -.101, Morrison -.129, Mauer -.165 Santana -.223
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Santana topped out a 90.6 mph and averaged 88.8 mph with his fastball tonight. To his credit, he was able to stay one step ahead of most batters. Ervin only allowed three hits over his six innings of work, but two of them came in the form of two-run homers.

It’s actually been impressive to see Ervin execute with diminished stuff, in sort of a depressing way. He should be getting clobbered. Like bounced outta the game in the second inning clobbered.

The lineup certainly could have executed better. The Twins outhit the Tigers 10-3, but were only 1-for-5 with runners in scoring position. Detroit even committed two errors, but the Twins couldn’t capitalize.

It’s pretty fun to see what Niko Goodrum is doing with Detroit. He hit his 11th home run of the season tonight and has a .720 OPS.

After the game, Santana did what you'd expect a professional veteran ballplayer to do. He took responsibility for his shortcomings and ... oh wait, no, he didn't. Jump head to about the 1:20 mark on this postgame interview:

My take: It's not like Ervin is going on a rampage here, but that's not his style. Still, I say just let him go. Honestly. I'm already wondering if this finger injury has derailed his career, he's certainly not getting his $14 million option picked up and now he's taking shots at the front office.

Even worse, by saying "it’s difficult to play without our good pieces" Santana is being disrespectful to his new teammates who've joined the club in the wake of those players leaving. Just end it now, there are plenty of other starting pitchers dying to get an opportunity.

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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AL Central Standings
CLE 64-50
MIN 53-62 (-11.5)
DET 48-68 (-17)
CHW 41-73 (-23)
KC 35-79 (-29)

Next Three Game
Sat at DET, 5:10 pm CT: Kyle Gibson vs. Francisco Liriano
Sun at DET, 12:10 pm CT: Kohl Stewart vs. Matt Boyd
Mon: Off
Tue vs. PIT, 7:10 pm CT: TBD vs. Jameson Taillon

Last Three Games
LE 5, MIN 4: Walks and a Walk-Off
CLE 5, MIN 2: Cleveland Prevails on Lindor Walk-Off Homer
MIN 3, CLE 2: Mitch Garver Makes it Rain


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He absolutely deserves it. Ervin Santana should be grateful he has an opportunity to keep pitching in the major leagues right now. This isn't the media using Santana to obtain inside information, I don't think Mike set him up to take a cheap shot at the front office, this is Ervin using the media to be a cry baby.

It's good that he's frustrated about how the season went, he should be, but that's not the way to go about voicing frustrations. He also should also be able to acknowledge a part of what's unfolded lies upon his own shoulders.

If this is what comes out when he ventures outside of the "PR handbook," then he should probably stick to the script.


Tom, respectfully, I can't disagree with this enough.

I don't think it was a cheap shot at all. I don't hear it as him placing undue blame on the front office, or even saying they necessarily did anything wrong. It is really just an acknowledgement of the fact that the front office and players are in very different roles. The front office can sell assets when they feel it is strategically wise to do so, and they can send a letter to season ticket holders explaining themselves. But the players can't do any of that. They have to keep playing. They have to keep working toward the same goal of winning games (and divisions), same as always.

And sometimes these different roles will come into conflict. Like right around a trade deadline when we were a long shot but not quite a "no shot" and we we were coming up on a bunch of games with our chief rival (the most recent two having been walk-off losses where perhaps Rodney was unavailable due to trade talks/agreements).

If the front office addressed the team right now, I am 100% sure they would acknowledged responses like Ervin's as perfectly valid. I bet his teammates would too, they are all caught up in the same conflict.
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Being mad at the FO for selling at 48-56?That's just ridiculous.It really is.  

 

I agree that would be ridiculous, since they actually sold at 48-53. :)

This is a very fair counterpoint to 48-56. The die was not cast, until the moment Escobar was traded.

 

(And how pathetic is it, if trading your super-sub utility infielder is what constitutes raising the white flag of surrender?)

 

But trades don't happen overnight, and decisions to raise that white flag even less so. Escobar's trade on July 27 happened to come at an awkward moment, following a four game winning streak. But, on July 22 the team's record was 44-53, and I'm going to infer that it was on this date or shortly afterward that the front office put their stake in the ground and decided the plug was to be pulled. Several trade discussions no doubt had to be put into high gear before the first one was signed. We fans can't look at July 27 as a simple go/no-go date. 44-53 looms large, to me.

 

(And how pathetic is it, if 44-53 followed by 48-53, followed by 48-56, constitutes differences in how the team's chances at post-season play are viewed?)

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TheLeviathan
Aug 11 2018 08:55 AM

With all due respect spycake, I think you're spinning this way too positively.Given the question he was asked, he had no sound basis to say the FO "gave up on them".I especially love the line of "We were only 10 games back".

 

That comes off as willfully ignorant.

 

Ervin Santana is an adult who, by now, should know that the game he plays is also a business.He is absolutely welcome to feel upset that many of his teammates and friends were traded away, but he should also understand the context.He had many avenues to answer that question candidly while also understanding the predicament the FO was in at the deadline.He chose instead to use that question as a sounding board to unfairly attack the FO.  

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TheLeviathan
Aug 11 2018 08:57 AM

 

This is a very fair counterpoint to 48-56. The die was not cast, until the moment Escobar was traded.

 

(And how pathetic is it, if trading your super-sub utility infielder is what constitutes raising the white flag of surrender?)

 

But trades don't happen overnight, and decisions to raise that white flag even less so. Escobar's trade on July 27 happened to come at an awkward moment, following a four game winning streak. But, on July 22 the team's record was 44-53, and I'm going to infer that it was on this date or shortly afterward that the front office put their stake in the ground and decided the plug was to be pulled. Several trade discussions no doubt had to be put into high gear before the first one was signed. We fans can't look at July 27 as a simple go/no-go date. 44-53 looms large, to me.

 

(And how pathetic is it, if 44-53 followed by 48-53, followed by 48-56, constitutes how the team's chances at post-season play are viewed?)

 

Exactly, this team was flirting with 10 games under and 6-10 games back in their division.The FO didn't have the luxury to wait out the games with Cleveland.We'd have all loved to have those games before the deadline, but the decision makers didn't have that luxury.  

 

Yet it feels like a repeated hammer against their decisions that they didn't "wait" for those games.The problem with a lot of the criticisms on this board, and Ervin's, is a complete omission of the larger context of how and why the decisions had to be made.

 

And, just like Ervin, frustration is totally fair.But without the context, the criticisms that stem from that frustration are often ridiculously unfair.

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Anyone who deems Ervin's comments insensitive may want to steer clear of locker rooms in general.......

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Anyone who deems Ervin's comments insensitive may want to steer clear of locker rooms in general.......

That was my reaction. I simply have no way of guessing whether ESan's remark crosses a line or not. The same words could have a different impact, depending on a dozen individual factors in that particular clubhouse. I'm not there, regardless of whether I'm qualified to judge or not. This is one of a manager's primary jobs, to gauge this and a thousand other things that get said or done over the course of a season, and take decisive steps, or subtle steps, in the rare case he deems it necessary - or, more likely, do nothing. Molitor, Glynn, etc, have seen it all by now. As a fan, I'll merely note this instance, and remember it if some kind of fallout occurs in a week or two. It probably falls in the large category of "do nothing".

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The Wise One
Aug 11 2018 09:23 AM

 

Pitching is about ability and pure stuff, at the end of the day. It's also about experience and knowledge. How many dynamic arms, over the years, have we all just seen flame out due to the inability to throw secondary stuff, or learn "how to pitch"? And how many guys have we seen that weren't flamethrowers but had that secondary stuff to succeed? And how many guys have we seen who used knowledge and command to offset a loss of velocity over time?

Your answer would undoubtedly depend on age and how long you've been a baseball fan. The ultimate example, IMO, would be Greg Maddux, who began his career with dominate stuff, and finished with dominate stuff based on said control and pitchability.

So where does Santana fit in this conversation? He's had a long and great career. He's been mostly steady his whole career. If you look at his numbers, his brief Twins career he has performed about as well as he ever has. I would never diminish a pitcher, or any athlete, undergoing surgery. Something is wrong/hurt, and you are attempting to correct it. But physically, Santana has always been in shape. Mentally, he's always been strong. I've heard rumors and whispers for some time now that age will catch up, and that he has a tendon just waiting to give out.

A pitcher doesn't just need a healthy shoulder and elbow...along with hips, knees, etc...but something as simple as a wrist and fingers to control the ball and snap off his stuff. Considering his career, and his season last year...not to dimish surgery...but is it possible the velocity and such are still there waiting for a normal prep time?

The Twins have financial flexibility, and prospects to trade, and talent in their nucleus to work with, that they could afford to bring Ervin back. Not at his $15M to be certain, but maybe on a cheaper 1 year deal with incentives. Unless there is something else going on physically, would it be such a bad move? Would you bet against him?

This year the comp might be Mike Maddux. While Greg Maddux preformed well his last half decade of his career, he was at an over 4 ERA. 

Frustrating year, with all three areas breaking down- Players,Manager,F.O.Let see where we go from here, but I'm for playing out the rest of the season looking towards next year.To me Spring Training starts today.  

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The Wise One
Aug 11 2018 09:39 AM

The Twins traded a few of their under performing assets and a lefty reliever. That is not quiting

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What did he say that was so terrible it was fact and if you could get true Front Office opinion is they do not care if they win the more losses the better there draft selection for next year. They have given the fans very little reason to go watch this team unless your baseball loving person. Santana is being pitched with hopes they can still trade him by August 31 deadline which I wouldn't be surprised they do. Morrison should have been released at least two months ago or paid somebody to have taken him in a trade. The core of this team is Sano and Buxton if this fails were looking at another 3 to 4 year rebuild for this team. The question is can this Front Office fix these players or are we going to see them fix by another organization my guess is that latter is true for one of them and maybe both of them. Kepler is other core piece and I am afraid were going trade him and he will become super star some where else. The Twins should have called up number prospects from the minors but because of business side and team control that doesn't happen anymore. So were basically stuck with group to play out the season. The good part is only month and half left of this year.

Ervin said the same thing Johan said at about this point in his last season here.

 

Santana isn’t healthy, and since we are not in any races we might as well do Santana a favor and shut him down and bring up Gonsalves or Romero (and give Thorpe a taste of AAA) a spot in the rotation. If we aren’t in contention there’s no reason to keep an injured 36 year old starting pitcher who has nothing in our rotation for the rest of the season.

 

Without multiple doctors signing off on something saying he's injured, him and the player's union would sue the Twins so fast your head would spin.

(And how pathetic is it, if 44-53 followed by 48-53, followed by 48-56, constitutes differences in how the team's chances at post-season play are viewed?)


The front office essentially did exactly that last year. Added, then sold, in the space of a week.

And they turned out to be wrong, BTW.
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After listening to the interview with Ervin, it sounds like they called him up too early. 

This is a very fair counterpoint to 48-56. The die was not cast, until the moment Escobar was traded.

(And how pathetic is it, if trading your super-sub utility infielder is what constitutes raising the white flag of surrender?)

But trades don't happen overnight, and decisions to raise that white flag even less so. Escobar's trade on July 27 happened to come at an awkward moment, following a four game winning streak. But, on July 22 the team's record was 44-53, and I'm going to infer that it was on this date or shortly afterward that the front office put their stake in the ground and decided the plug was to be pulled. Several trade discussions no doubt had to be put into high gear before the first one was signed. We fans can't look at July 27 as a simple go/no-go date. 44-53 looms large, to me.

(And how pathetic is it, if 44-53 followed by 48-53, followed by 48-56, constitutes differences in how the team's chances at post-season play are viewed?)


I don't thibk the ordering of the wins and losses mattered much by that point -- you picked a date where they just lost 3 in a row, the Escobar trade came when the followed that with 4 wins in a row. They could have gone WLWLWLW over those 7 games and it wouldn't have made a difference.

I actually think the "die was cast" even earlier, the trade market just wasn't going to develop until late July. I don't think there was a precise date. Probably no later than the Milwaukee sweep at the beginning of July. Maybe even earlier if you think the Belisle addition was a sign the FO was prepping for trade deadline departures.

I think by the time the team was swept in Milwaukee, we needed something like a 15 game win streak, or a 15 game losing streak by Cleveland, for the front office to change their mind from selling. And we actually did pretty well after that -- 13-5, making up 5 games in the standings up until the Escobar trade -- although I understand if it wasn't enough.
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KirbyDome89
Aug 11 2018 10:53 AM

 

Near as I recall, I don't remember Falvey or Levine stinking it up during any games on their way to being 8 games under .500.  

 

I love all these people "rah rah"ing a guy who is passing the blame.Yeah, he was candid, but he refused to take accountability like an adult.You want candid?  

 

Don't suck your way to a 48-56 record and maybe your FO doesn't sell.That's candid and it also has the benefit to be truth rather than sour grapes.

I think we can appreciate a moment of honesty even if we don't agree with the sentiment.

 

I also think if we're going after Erv based on only the context of this game we're missing his point entirely. 

 

As a fan I agreed with the sale. If I'm a player near the end of time on a MLB roster and I've watched this FO sell during a season a WC berth was achieved and then again before a glut of games with the team I'm chasing then yeah, I'm probably not happy. I don't think he's really passing the buck here. I didn't read his comments as blaming the FO or new teammates for his performance, or the Twin's record to date. I read them as him venting frustration over the timing of the sale. 

I think we can appreciate a moment of honesty even if we don't agree with the sentiment.

I also think if we're going after Erv based on only the context of this game we're missing his point entirely.

As a fan I agreed with the sale. If I'm a player near the end of time on a MLB roster and I've watched this FO sell during a season a WC berth was achieved and then again before a glut of games with the team I'm chasing then yeah, I'm probably not happy. I don't think he's really passing the buck here. I didn't read his comments as blaming the FO or new teammates for his performance, or the Twin's record to date. I read them as him venting frustration over the timing of the sale.


I'm also not upset by his comments. But, to defend Tom a little, you'll notice that nowhere did Ervin say that if he'd been on the field and performing, the FO might not have been in a situation to sell on his friend Rodney.
I think that is where the lack of accountability comes into play.
One half of the coin may be that the FO "gave up". The other half of the coin is that through injuries, suspension, and poor play, the key players on the roster put them in that situation.
Santana only pointed out the one side of the coin, perhaps conveniently.
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The front office essentially did exactly that last year. Added, then sold, in the space of a week.

And they turned out to be wrong, BTW.

Alright, fine, that did happen last year. And they were promptly crushed in the playoffs.

 

That wasn't going to happen this year. This team clearly isn't ready to compete for anything. I know in hindsight it's frustrating that they didn't go for it, but the 2017 squad didn't have the foresight to see the 2018 being a massive disappointment. The FO did what they had to do at the 2018 deadline even if they may have done the wrong thing at the 2017 deadline.

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KirbyDome89
Aug 11 2018 11:14 AM

 

He absolutely deserves it. Ervin Santana should be grateful he has an opportunity to keep pitching in the major leagues right now. 

That seems a little heavy handed. 

 

He signed a contract to provide services, and the Twins still deem those services worthwhile. When they don't pick up his option it'll be a business decision, and that's fine, but in the meantime he doesn't owe this organization anything, gratuity included. 

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Fritzderkat
Aug 11 2018 11:19 AM

 

Pitching is about ability and pure stuff, at the end of the day. It's also about experience and knowledge. How many dynamic arms, over the years, have we all just seen flame out due to the inability to throw secondary stuff, or learn "how to pitch"? And how many guys have we seen that weren't flamethrowers but had that secondary stuff to succeed? And how many guys have we seen who used knowledge and command to offset a loss of velocity over time?

Your answer would undoubtedly depend on age and how long you've been a baseball fan. The ultimate example, IMO, would be Greg Maddux, who began his career with dominate stuff, and finished with dominate stuff based on said control and pitchability.

So where does Santana fit in this conversation? He's had a long and great career. He's been mostly steady his whole career. If you look at his numbers, his brief Twins career he has performed about as well as he ever has. I would never diminish a pitcher, or any athlete, undergoing surgery. Something is wrong/hurt, and you are attempting to correct it. But physically, Santana has always been in shape. Mentally, he's always been strong. I've heard rumors and whispers for some time now that age will catch up, and that he has a tendon just waiting to give out.

A pitcher doesn't just need a healthy shoulder and elbow...along with hips, knees, etc...but something as simple as a wrist and fingers to control the ball and snap off his stuff. Considering his career, and his season last year...not to dimish surgery...but is it possible the velocity and such are still there waiting for a normal prep time?
 

I can't speak for anyone's tendon or lack of velocity because of it, but I can lend my personal experience, modest as it may be. In the Navy, I 'threw out my arm' so to speak, developing what later was diagnosed as rotator cuff tendonitis. The result, as a catcher, is that I no longer could throw farther than second base, not with any zip, anyway. It pained me and in fact would stiffen up between innings so that with my first few warm-up throws back to the pitcher I had to 'toss like a girl', if you will. I played another 10 years with it, and fortunately had enough strength so that throws to second base to catch would-be stealers would land smack on top of the bag.

Okay, so what?

Wahl, in addition at the age of around 40 I developed what is called Dupytren's Contracture in both hands, which for the sake of abbreviation means hard, cartilege-like growths impeding the flow of the tendons in fingers, six in my case, so that the digits curl, at exteme, fist-like,i into the palms of the hands. It can be modified to a degree by surgeries, of which I've had seven, or enzyme injections, of which I've had three. As I type this, it's on a extra large keyboard which allows ,better than not. the crippled digits to function.

Again, so what?

So what is that I'm saying in the case of Ervin Santana there is no overestimating the impact of a weakened, surgically compared finger, especially one in the middle, for a major league pitcher. The same may be said for a weakened tendon. 

In that, I'd give the guy a break. He may be done, may never return to the level of skill he has produced over many years, but if I am correct, for good reason. Given what he has done in his brief stint with the Twins, especially last year, I for one would fall far short of saying "he sucks." 

 

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The front office essentially did exactly that last year.

Since I pointed to July 22 as a date where buy/sell decisions might start to get serious as opposed to contingency planning, note that last year the Twins record after the game on that date was 49-47. Garcia was acquired two days later.
 
I'm not bothered by different FO responses to different scenarios.

 


I actually think the "die was cast" even earlier, the trade market just wasn't going to develop until late July. I don't think there was a precise date.

We're probably using "die is cast" in different senses. Until late July, I look at it as only contingency planning. There's no hard and fast date - it's until the paperwork for a first trade is signed.
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With all due respect spycake, I think you're spinning this way too positively. Given the question he was asked, he had no sound basis to say the FO "gave up on them". I especially love the line of "We were only 10 games back".

That comes off as willfully ignorant.

Ervin Santana is an adult who, by now, should know that the game he plays is also a business. He is absolutely welcome to feel upset that many of his teammates and friends were traded away, but he should also understand the context. He had many avenues to answer that question candidly while also understanding the predicament the FO was in at the deadline. He chose instead to use that question as a sounding board to unfairly attack the FO.


Before I bow out of this conversation, I will ask again for you to consider the context.

This was the very end of a post game interview, after a disappointing loss, where Ervin just finished answering a series of questions about his own dimished stuff. Then he gets asked for his feelings about the trade of his friend and fellow countryman, following a couple walk-off losses against our chief rival that the trade possibly impacted.

Obviously that's no excuse to take shots at anybody -- but my point is Ervin's "they gave up on us" response was so brief and generic that it hardly constitutes "taking a shot" at anyone given this context.

Do you agree with Tom that Ervin should be traded/released immediately in part due to this comment, and its offensive nature to his teammates and the FO? I don't.

I can't imagine any reaction to this from the front office or his teammates other than, he cares about winning. It's a players job to care about winning, all the time. Sometimes the business of baseball is at odds with that, and it can be challenging for all involved.

If you don't like his comments as a fan, that is absolutely your right too. But Tom seemed to be going beyond that, and it is that I objected to.
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KirbyDome89
Aug 11 2018 11:49 AM

 

I'm also not upset by his comments. But, to defend Tom a little, you'll notice that nowhere did Ervin say that if he'd been on the field and performing, the FO might not have been in a situation to sell on his friend Rodney.
I think that is where the lack of accountability comes into play.
One half of the coin may be that the FO "gave up". The other half of the coin is that through injuries, suspension, and poor play, the key players on the roster put them in that situation.
Santana only pointed out the one side of the coin, perhaps conveniently.

I'm almost certain that Erv would acknowledge that poor play and an inability to stay on the field got the team to the point of being sellers. His finger injury played a part, but it's hard to "blame," him for that.  

 

That's why I said it has to do with the timing of the sale. I'm sure a lot of players in that clubhouse had the glut of games with Cleveland circled. In their mind they still had a chance, albeit slim, to catch the Indians. That was how I interpreted his comments; not as shrugging off blame for the struggles through the end of July, but rather frustration with selling before they believed they were dead in the water. 

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Tom Froemming
Aug 11 2018 11:53 AM

 

Tom, respectfully, I can't disagree with this enough.

I don't think it was a cheap shot at all. I don't hear it as him placing undue blame on the front office, or even saying they necessarily did anything wrong. It is really just an acknowledgement of the fact that the front office and players are in very different roles. The front office can sell assets when they feel it is strategically wise to do so, and they can send a letter to season ticket holders explaining themselves. But the players can't do any of that. They have to keep playing. They have to keep working toward the same goal of winning games (and divisions), same as always.

And sometimes these different roles will come into conflict. Like right around a trade deadline when we were a long shot but not quite a "no shot" and we we were coming up on a bunch of games with our chief rival (the most recent two having been walk-off losses where perhaps Rodney was unavailable due to trade talks/agreements).

If the front office addressed the team right now, I am 100% sure they would acknowledged responses like Ervin's as perfectly valid. I bet his teammates would too, they are all caught up in the same conflict.

I get what you're saying, but to me it depends on who the message comes from. If this would have come from Eddie Rosario, Jose Berrios, Kyle Gibson, Max Kepler or any of the other guys who've been around this year and will be around in the future, I think I'd feel the same way as you do.

 

Ervin Santana has contributed zilch this season, it's not looking very promising that he'll contribute much the rest of the year and seems highly unlikely to me that he'll be around next season. He's basically Matt Belisle. The main reason to keep Ervin around is for leadership/an example to the younger guys of how to prepare/conduct yourself as a major leaguer. If he's not even doing that well, then he's just in the way.

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Fritzderkat
Aug 11 2018 12:07 PM

Who can possibly argue with the statement, "The pieces aren't there"?

When's the last time for the Twins they've had the right pieces?

Fact is, the Twins, like practically every franchise in the majors besides Boston, New York, Houston, the Cubs and the Dodgers are jokes. Once in a while,a different squirrel will find a nut, but not very often.

Beyond those, there is no competition, and for fans like "ours" to sit around and bellyache is a joke in itself. 

Whoever keeps saying the only goal of the Twins is to put fannies in the seats and turn a profit pretty much says it all.

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