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DET 5, MIN 2: Bulldog Berrios and the Addison Reed Experience

On the mound for the Twins on Wednesday night, was phenom Jose Berrios. Heading into the game he got quite the compliment from a Hall of Fame pitcher.

Berrios did his best to live up to that comparison, also reminding Tiger’s manager Ron Gardenhire of a Twins Hall of Famer he used to coach all night.

Unfortunately, something may not be right with Addison Reed. He would be charged with his fourth blown save in his last seven appearances, making Berrios’ best effort at an impersonation all for naught.
Image courtesy of © Rick Osentoski-USA TODAY Sports
Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)
Current record: 29-35
Jose Berrios: 58 Game Score, 6.0 IP, 1 ER, 7, 1 BB, 71.7% strikes
Bullpen: 2.0 IP, 3 ER (4 R), 1 K, 0 BB
Lineup: 1-for-4 w/RISP, 6 LOB
Top three per WPA: Berrios .304, Pressly .112, Escobar .108
Attached Image: WP chart.png
The Twins jumped on Tigers starter Matthew Boyd in the first inning, with Brian Dozier getting hit by a pitch to lead off the game in front of a double from Eddie Rosario and a two-RBI single from the still scorching Eduardo Escobar.

#OldFriend Niko Goodrum got to Berrios in the second with a solo shot (his sixth of the year) to close the gap to 2-1, but that would be it for Ron Gardenhire’s squad against him. After that blast, Berrios buckled down and picked up six of his seven K’s, several to escape scoring chances as the Tigers went 0-for-8 with runners in scoring position against him.

After a one-two-three seventh inning from Ryan Pressly, Twins fans were treated to the Addison Reed Experience. Again.

Five singles and an ugly throwing error from Robbie Grossman led to four runs in the eighth inning and it was all over. Reed has now allowed a run in five of his last seven appearances, raising his ERA over a full run from 2.60 to 3.78 over that time frame.

The offense again held much of the blame in this one, as they managed just two more hits on the game after putting up a crooked number in the first.

At least we were able to watch Berrios out-maneuver the Tigers for six innings in ace fashion.

Postgame With Molitor


Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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AL Central Standings
CLE 35-30
DET 32-37 (-5)
MIN 29-35 (-5.5)
CHW 23-42 (-12)
KC 22-46 (-14)

Next Three Games
Thu @ DET, 12:10PM CST – RHP Lancy Lynn (4-4, 5.08 ERA)
Fri @ CLE, 6:10PM CST – RHP Kyle Gibson (1-4, 3.45 ERA)
Sat @ CLE, 3:10PM CST – RHP Fernando Romero (3-2, 3.92 ERA)

Last Three Games
MIN 6, DET 4: More Grand Slams, Please
MIN 7, LAA 5: Jake Cave Sparks a Fire
LAA 2, MIN 1: Is This a Rerun?

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Carole Keller
Jun 14 2018 07:55 AM

Molitor isn't going anywhere right after winning MOY and signing a 3 year contract. And he can learn. The egregious bunting from the last couple of years has not been seen this year.
Maybe we can get the pitching coach to decide who is available to pitch. That might protect the pitchers.
Then we can get someone to play some of the younger players when they first come up instead of riding the bench most of their first few weeks in MLB.
 
Now, if we can find someone to make up the line-up card, Molitor could start looking just fine...


I wasn’t an advocate of his signing either time. Was difficult not to offer him a contract after last season, I suppose, but I wouldn’t have offered 3 years because you are right, they aren’t likely to fire him even though I think they should. All the woulda, coulda, shouldas won’t change what is, though, so I just sigh and complain some then turn off the tv and move on with a little hope that something changes but expecting nothing.
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tarheeltwinsfan
Jun 14 2018 07:55 AM

In order to catch the "Pennant Fever" predicted for the Twins this summer, my son and I had planned a trip to Minneapolis from North Carolina.We have changed our plans due to the consistently discouraging ways the Twins.have found to lose games this season.Instead of Minneapolis, we will be headed to Chattanooga (after the post-Midwest League All-Star game promotions from Cedar Rapids) to see the Lookouts and to Elizabethton to see the Rookie League Twins. Maybe next year we will decide to visit the Twin Cities, but not now, due totally to the poor play of the Twins. (Someone please forward this comment to the Minnesota Tourism Commission)..

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Grossman should not be hitting and cannot field. Not nearly enough clutch walks from him to justify his roster spot. Totally agree Molitor needs help with decisions like bringing in the same two relievers every single game. I can see Jack Parkman saying "we're screwed" with most of Molitor's decisions.

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As much as I'd love to see Gordon called up this summer, I don't see that happening as long as we still have Dozier starting at 2B. I could either way on Wade, but I'd like to see Astudillo given a try as catcher. Who is Sawyer?

Wynston Sawyer is the other catcher in Rochester who's been hitting well.

Responses to a couple of posts on thread:

 

No point in nit picking Molitor's individual game decisions. He is not a good manager period and needs to go/should be gone. The fact that the Twins show no consistency in any category including season win- loss records speaks for itself. I am convinced that being manager of the Minnesota Twins is the best job in professional sports because there is no pressure to win and the job is yours as long as you want it. Twins fielded a team with a .234 batting average and Molitor expected more offense? Speaks for itself.

 

Dozier may get hot but hos approach is always the same. Home run or nothing and game situation means absolutely nothing as the posted late game stats reveal.

 

If the Twins win today they can still have a 3-3 road trip by only winning 1 in Cleveland which is ok. As long as they can hang around the .500 mark into the all star break the season is salvageable. Getting Polanco back and hopefully Santana in some decent form will make a difference.

 

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yarnivek1972
Jun 14 2018 08:26 AM
I think it is pretty obvious that Falvey wanted someone other than Molitor from day one but was then hamstrung by Jim Pohlad’s comments. I further suspect that the extension was more Pohlad than Falvey.

So, now it is (IMO) a battle about control. If Pohlad wants to run the team his way (eg country club rules), I think Falvey and Levine will walk away. If Pohlad truly wants Falvine making decisions in the best interest of the organization, he’ll allow them to do just that. Including firing Molitor.

Obviously, Pohlad will have to sign off on the decision, but I can definitely seeing Falvey (maybe not Levine so much) saying to Pohlad, “Well, we tried it with your guy and here we are. Again. So, decision time sir. Do you want Molitor or me?”
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If you accept (you shouldn't have to) that the offense is just putrid,  than this game is evidence to me that the Twins just don't have "it" this year.  Every decision available to Monitor is a tough one.  I doubt even he was ignorant of the fact that Reed is not right, but he rolled the dice anyway and came up snake eyes (that's bad, right?).  Pressly is equally overworked too, remember, and that turned out okay.  If he'd brought in Hildenberger for the second day in a row, that would have been wrong.  What were his choices?

 

A 'brilliant' manager would have known Pressly was going to be fine, and used him in the eighth, and Rogers (or Busenitz...) in the seventh.  A brilliant manager might have disregarded the naysayers on the internet and gone straight to Belisle in the eighth.  I credit Molly for at least having faith in his guys.  He let Berrios work through some tough spots.  

 

This offense needs a shot in the arm.  Actually, it needs an arm replacement.  This "team" just doesn't feel like much of one.  Dumpster diving last offseason seems to have worked better than what they did this year, shopping at Target for President's Day sales.

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yarnivek1972
Jun 14 2018 08:49 AM
A brilliant manager knows when it is important to protect the health and future of his players.

Magill last pitched June 5th. Molitor needs to use him, PERIOD. If he fails, so be it. Then it is on Falvine to get better relievers on the roster. But he simply CAN’T run Pressly and Reed out there every day and expect them to continue to stay healthy, let alone perform.
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"If the Twins win today they can still have a 3-3 road trip by only winning 1 in Cleveland which is ok. As long as they can hang around the .500 mark into the all star break the season is salvageable. Getting Polanco back and hopefully Santana in some decent form will make a difference."

 

 

I have to disagree mildly here.  Being .500 around the ASB really puts us in position for what?  The only playoff spot is the division, and I expect Cleveland to be about 10 games over .500 by then.  It's just too much for a flawed team like this to overcome.  If our c-MVPs turn back into pumpkins, we are in some real, real trouble.

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Brock Beauchamp
Jun 14 2018 08:52 AM

This was pretty easily a top five "most annoying game I've ever watched" experience.

 

What a terrible game past the first inning. Just pathetic and embarrassing performances from everyone not named Berrios.

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Aerodeliria
Jun 14 2018 09:08 AM
Hosken Bombo Disco, on 14 Jun 2018 - 1:03 PM, said:

Really disappointing response by Molitor.
"Had a chance to hold a lead, I get all that, but gotta have more offense." Well, 2-1 games are worth winning, too. Just my opinion. If he wants 7-10 runs every night he should quit and join a softball league.

Well said!


I've been a big fan of Molitor for a very long time, but he threw the offense under the bus to protect his decision to bring in Reed? It's Reed's job to protect the lead, not give up four runs and expect the offense to score five in the ninth.
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howieramone2
Jun 14 2018 09:11 AM

 

For those of you still keeping score at home...

 

Grossman and Wilson are still inexplicably on this team....sigh.....

Neither one of those 2 have anything to do with our current woes. Those keeping score at home would do well to see if Polanco and Buxton can match their second halves last season.

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howieramone2
Jun 14 2018 09:17 AM

 

Mauer, Wade, Gordon, Astudillo and Sawyer should be up. Grossman should be released. Sano, Wilson, Garver and LaMarre should be demoted. 

Who are Astudillo and Sawyer? 

 

Who are Astudillo and Sawyer? 

Rochester catchers who have been hitting well

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Kelly Vance
Jun 14 2018 09:25 AM

 

Regardless of the offense, they had the lead after 7. Molitor chooses to give it to Reed. Keeps doing the same thing and expects different results. 5 out of the last 6, now, isn't it? Hello Magill. Stick a fork in Reed. This is sickening.

Yeah, I have defended the MOY all season, but I can't understand letting Magill, who has been effective,  linger on the bench while Reed is off his game. Molly is overusing Pressley, Reed and Hildy.  He needs to learn to adjust to performance and stop being so rigid in his thinking. We have several other guys in the pen. Molly is signalling he doesn't have confidence in anyone else. That's bogus. But I am trying to stay positive.

 

I'm positive its bogus. 

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Kelly Vance
Jun 14 2018 09:33 AM

 

I also wanted to mention...last night's top of the 8th was why you put the contact play on. Escobar's at third, with one out. Sano hits a chopper that the pitcher doesn't field cleanly. If Escobar is running on contact, as he should be in every case IMO, he scores easily.

 

Instead, he's left standing at third as Sano is thrown out, and now there's two out and you need a hit (or mistake) to score him.

 

Sometimes you lose that gamble, and Escobar gets thrown out at the plate. But it's a much better gamble than waiting for a 2 out hit.

 

Another mark in the "against" column when judging Molitor, IMO.

A contact play with a hit back to the mound (which is what Sano did) gets you out at home.  This one got through, but I have lost runs doing exactly what you suggested more than once.

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howieramone2
Jun 14 2018 09:34 AM

 

I think it is pretty obvious that Falvey wanted someone other than Molitor from day one but was then hamstrung by Jim Pohlad’s comments. I further suspect that the extension was more Pohlad than Falvey.

So, now it is (IMO) a battle about control. If Pohlad wants to run the team his way (eg country club rules), I think Falvey and Levine will walk away. If Pohlad truly wants Falvine making decisions in the best interest of the organization, he’ll allow them to do just that. Including firing Molitor.

Obviously, Pohlad will have to sign off on the decision, but I can definitely seeing Falvey (maybe not Levine so much) saying to Pohlad, “Well, we tried it with your guy and here we are. Again. So, decision time sir. Do you want Molitor or me?”

The Pohlads are absentee owners. I doubt they could answer the one question required to become a member here. By the way, I been following the game for over 50 years. Could you explain to me and the board, WTF country club rules are and why the doom and gloomers on the board, continue to accuse our favorite team of this practice?

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Kelly Vance
Jun 14 2018 09:36 AM

 

I think it is pretty obvious that Falvey wanted someone other than Molitor from day one but was then hamstrung by Jim Pohlad’s comments. I further suspect that the extension was more Pohlad than Falvey.

So, now it is (IMO) a battle about control. If Pohlad wants to run the team his way (eg country club rules), I think Falvey and Levine will walk away. If Pohlad truly wants Falvine making decisions in the best interest of the organization, he’ll allow them to do just that. Including firing Molitor.

Obviously, Pohlad will have to sign off on the decision, but I can definitely seeing Falvey (maybe not Levine so much) saying to Pohlad, “Well, we tried it with your guy and here we are. Again. So, decision time sir. Do you want Molitor or me?”

I remember suggesting Red Dawg as manager. He was available. Also, if they had let Gardy go a little earlier Tito Francona was available. 

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Dave The Dastardly
Jun 14 2018 09:41 AM

Just an observation; Dougie has the Toledo Mud Hens in first place in the AAA International League. Too bad he wasn't good enough for AA ball with the Twins. We just might have had an in-house replacement for Molly.

 

IMO giving up 0-2 hits isn’t “unfortunate.” It’s an indication of poor “stuff,” poor location, and/or poor pitch selection.

I didn’t view last night as at all unlucky. It was more of the same. Too many 90 MPH fastballs in very bad locations.

 

Really?The league average in 0-2 counts over the last few years is like .150.Even if you take out the K's, the average is around .300.The Tigers hit .600 and four were ground balls.  

 

Otherwise, why is Victor Reyes with all his bat control and directional hitting prowess batting 9th on a mail-it-in franchise's lineup?

 

Again, I'm not advocating for the reliability of Addison Reed right now, but if one of those ground balls goes to the right or left a couple feet, it's a completely different outing.

 

The bigger problems in the game were going 0 for Farmer/Verhagen and not getting Escobar in from 3rd.

 

This was pretty easily a top five "most annoying game I've ever watched" experience.

What a terrible game past the first inning. Just pathetic and embarrassing performances from everyone not named Berrios.


Batters 4-9 in the lineup last night went 1-21 with 9 K, 8 LOB... And frankly they should have been 0-21 if Morrison didn't get that gift bloop single.

No opposing pitcher should be intimidated by any hitter in the lineup past the Eddies.
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I do not think the Twins smart guys ever talked about Niko and many laughed when Gardy grabbed him!Who wants Palka went you have have Grossman and Morrison?And now we grab Belisle instead of a minor leaguer and leave Gordon in the minors.What is going on?


Let's all remember, Ryan didn't think Palka would hit either. This is surprising.

But a good manager wouldn't have Grossman in the field late, or ever. A good front office would probably not have him on the roster, if they have as many other candidates available. Imho.

I do not understand their unwillingness to use young inexperienced relief pitchers, like much of the rest of the league, in a rotation with Rochester. Still waiting to be impressed by the front office.....
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ashburyjohn
Jun 14 2018 10:26 AM

Robbie Grossman's arm. You can't stop it. You can only hope to contain it.

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Robbie Grossman's arm. You can't stop it. You can only hope to contain it.

Next time they need to get women and children out of the first few rows of the stands just in case...

Copyright Dark Star talking about Frankie Franchise.
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Poor Robbie...taking the heat for Buxton's failure to perform and/or stay healthy, FO unwillingness to put (presumably) more talented prospects under the harsh glare of the major-league spotlight, and the manager's inability to consistently use him appropriately.

 

Having said that...and to be fair, he's also under performed against his own utility-player standard.But when we're moaning about Robbie, who are we really frustrated with?I'll continue to pull for Robbie...from what little can be determined by watching games, he seems like a good teammate...and I'll continue to hope we see less of him in the future.


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