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CLE 5, MIN 2: Cleveland Prevails on Lindor Walk-Off Homer

It’s pretty difficult to win when your defense commits three errors, but the Twins nearly did just that this evening. Miguel Sano hit a game-tying home run in the top of the ninth, Max Kepler made a great catch as he crashed into the wall in the bottom of the ninth, but Francisco Lindor decided he’d just go ahead and hit one over the wall to walk it off.
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Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)
Jake Odorizzi: 50 Game Score, 4.2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 K, 2 BB, 58.4% strikes
Home Runs: Miguel Sano (8)
Multi-Hit Games: Miguel Sano (2-for-4, 2B, HR), Logan Forsythe (2-for-4, 2B)
WPA of 0.1 or higher: Sano .342, Forsythe .173
WPA of -0.1 or lower: Adrianza -.119, Kepler -.158, Polanco -.167, Morrison -.176 Hildenberger -.353
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Jake Cave committed a fielding error that led to the game’s first run and both Mitch Garver and Trevor May committed throwing errors. Garver was also picked off at second base, likely costing the Twins a run, and the team combined to go 1-for-9 with runners in scoring position.

Given those circumstances, it’s actually pretty incredible this game was tied heading into the bottom of the ninth.

Miguel Sano had an outstanding game. He made a couple of nice plays in the field, hit a double and that huge homer off Cody Allen to tie it up. It was the first time Sano has hit a home run since his return from the minors.

Something must be up with Trevor Hildenberger. He gave up the three-run homer to Lindor, meaning Hildy has surrendered multiple runs in six of his last 18 appearances. Over that span, he’s given up 19 earned runs in 16 2/3 innings. Yikes.

Postgame With Molitor

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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AL Central Standings
CLE 63-50
MIN 53-60 (-10)
DET 47-68 (-17)
CHW 41-72 (-22)
KC 35-79 (-28.5)

Next Three Game
Thu at CLE, 12:10 pm CT: Jose Berrios vs. Corey Kluber
Fri at DET, 6:10 pm CT: Ervin Santana vs. Jordan Zimmermann
Sat at DET, 5:10 pm CT: Kyle Gibson vs. Francisco Liriano

Last Three Games
MIN 3, CLE 2: Mitch Garver Makes it Rain
CLE 10, MIN 0: Who Needs Chris Gimenez?
MIN 6, KC 5: Cave Slugs Grand Slam as Twins Sweep Royals


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My diagnosis is that Hildy caught Belisleitis. I think they can put him on the DL for that, however.

Much like in the show Parks and Recreation, somebody needs to be the Jerry. Somebody on the roster needs to be Belisle.Poor Hildy drew the short straw.

 

 

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Molitor may "go" on his own but he will never be sent. He fits the mold of a Minnesota Twins manager perfectly. Rapidly becoming one of the worst run franchises in professional sports. Watching the Atlanta Braves beat Washington last night was so refreshing. Braves have a parade of fresh faces plus a real veteran first baseman in Freeman who can flat play the game. My guess is that every one of these players, including Freeman at some point, were probably available to the Twins. Again, where is the 2016 number 1 pick in all of MLB and why is his name never mentioned in 2019 plans, if not 2018? Will he even be called up during the ridiculous roster expansion in September? Never could understand that since that is crunch time and should be decided by the core team; not exhibition teams.

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Pretty predictable ending.For the life of me, I don't know why we had Hildy pitch to Lindor.Lindor hit a Hildy change up a mile the previous night so this time he was waiting on a changeup again and got it.I think the issue with Hildy is that he really only has 2 pitches so batters either sit on the fastball or, as Cleveland has been doing, on the the changeup.He throws from a variety of angles, but for a 77 mph changeup, it really doesn't matter what the arm angle is as the players have time to pick it up.I like coming over the top occasionally with the fastball, but not the changeup.I turned the channel before the Lindor home run even landed.

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Again, where is the 2016 number 1 pick in all of MLB and why is his name never mentioned in 2019 plans, if not 2018? Will he even be called up during the ridiculous roster expansion in September?

 

He plays for the Clearwater Thrashers of the Philadelphia Phillies organization.His name is Mickey Moniak.Don't think he's in the plans for the Twins quite yet as he's not in the Twins' organization.

 

Royce Lewis was drafted in 2017.

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yarnivek1972
Aug 09 2018 07:32 AM
A guy I would love to see as the next manager of the Twins: Tom Prince.

I still remember YEARS ago when Kyle Lohse was a largely enigmatic suspect. There was a game he pitched and was all over the place but was getting away with it. When the Twins were hitting in like the second inning there were several TV shots of Prince right in Kyle’s face for a solid 2-3 minutes. As I recall, the result was 5 near perfect innings after that.

THAT is EXACTLY the kind of guy the Twins need. A TEACHER.
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ashburyjohn
Aug 09 2018 07:52 AM

Should we find a CF now?

We'd probably better. They don't come cheaply though. Not if you want the complete package.

 

The collection we have now would be fine if we could combine skills. Unfortunately, the individuals who have range don't have judgement (Cave) or the ones who have judgement don't have an arm (Granite) or the ones with an arm don't have CF range (Wade, IMO), and the ones who do have all those defensive skills/talents either can't lay off breaking pitches in the dirt (Buxton) or are needed at an even more pressing position (Lewis).

 

We have a bunch of almost-maybes. Buxton remains our best hope, if he can shake off being cross-eyed from repeated concussions. But we're embarrassingly thin at the position.

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Carole Keller
Aug 09 2018 07:52 AM

 


 

They either shouldn't be on the roster or you need a new manager with the ability to trust.  

Concur; especially with the latter.

 

#MolitorNeedsToGo

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Molitor may "go" on his own but he will never be sent. He fits the mold of a Minnesota Twins manager perfectly. Rapidly becoming one of the worst run franchises in professional sports. Watching the Atlanta Braves beat Washington last night was so refreshing. Braves have a parade of fresh faces plus a real veteran first baseman in Freeman who can flat play the game. My guess is that every one of these players, including Freeman at some point, were probably available to the Twins. Again, where is the 2016 number 1 pick in all of MLB and why is his name never mentioned in 2019 plans, if not 2018? Will he even be called up during the ridiculous roster expansion in September? Never could understand that since that is crunch time and should be decided by the core team; not exhibition teams.

 

1.) Ummm, have you met the Marlins? The Padres? The Reds? The Twins have their warts but you're just being negative, per usual.

 

2) The 2016 #1 pick is Mickey Moniak and he's with the Phillies, not hitting in High A ball. I guess the Twins could try to trade for him but he's not that great a prospect so not sure why they world.

 

3.) The Braves were awful for years. They now are on the upswing. That's the way things go. In two years the Twins will be on the upswing hopefully. Not sure how you want the Twins to somehow fast forward time. Rebuilding takes time.

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Can't watch the bottom of the 9th on the road anymore. Too predictable.

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yarnivek1972
Aug 09 2018 08:21 AM

1.) Ummm, have you met the Marlins? The Padres? The Reds? The Twins have their warts but you're just being negative, per usual.

2) The 2016 #1 pick is Mickey Moniak and he's with the Phillies, not hitting in High A ball. I guess the Twins could try to trade for him but he's not that great a prospect so not sure why they world.

3.) The Braves were awful for years. They now are on the upswing. That's the way things go. In two years the Twins will be on the upswing hopefully. Not sure how you want the Twins to somehow fast forward time. Rebuilding takes time.


The Twins haven’t won a playoff game in 16 years. If rebuilding takes that long, you’re doing something wrong.

What indications are there that this FO is committed to rebuilding? If, as you say, the Twins won’t be on the upswing for two more years, why wouldn’t they have traded Kyle Gibson - who possibly could have brought in a blue chip prospect to build around? Why are Matt Belisle, Fernando Rodney, Logan Morrison, Logan Forsythe, Jake Odorizzi and Robbie Grossman still rostered and playing (until injury sidelined some of them)?

None of them figure to be around in 2020. Rebuilding to me (and to most) means tearing it all down and starting at square one. There is zero indication that this FO is committed to that nor has there been since they were hired. Indeed, their plan seems to be to tread water and be satisfied being borderline competitive in a weak division.
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Interesting.


If you are saying that “if Buxton doesn’t hit next year”. Rosters will be set and it will be much harder to find one that does. I think the Twins should be looking right now and into the off season for someone who can man the position in case “Buxton doesn’t hit next year”.

Interesting indeed.
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I realize that Forsythe isn't high on the list of concerns for this club. He's played well here, I'll definitely give him credit there. My issue is that he's playing every day. Why isn't Adrianza playing 2B to at least see if he can back up his good streak with the bat when he was playing every day. Unless Gordon finishes hot and has a hot spring, he's not going to be on the active roster come the start of next season. Forsythe isn't the future answer, Adrianza is at least signed for next year so why not give him a run there?

 

Molitor's refusal to actually try to build up the young guys continues to irk me. Just another reason why I don't believe that he's the right fit here.

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I realize that Forsythe isn't high on the list of concerns for this club. He's played well here, I'll definitely give him credit there. My issue is that he's playing every day. Why isn't Adrianza playing 2B to at least see if he can back up his good streak with the bat when he was playing every day. Unless Gordon finishes hot and has a hot spring, he's not going to be on the active roster come the start of next season. Forsythe isn't the future answer, Adrianza is at least signed for next year so why not give him a run there?


Because Adrianza has to be available to pinch-hit for Johnny Field, obviously!

Now Field may not be here next year either, but what do you expect Molitor to do, consider the future of multiple lineup spots simultaneously? While grieving over Belisle's knee?
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I realize that Forsythe isn't high on the list of concerns for this club. He's played well here, I'll definitely give him credit there. My issue is that he's playing every day. Why isn't Adrianza playing 2B to at least see if he can back up his good streak with the bat when he was playing every day. Unless Gordon finishes hot and has a hot spring, he's not going to be on the active roster come the start of next season. Forsythe isn't the future answer, Adrianza is at least signed for next year so why not give him a run there?

 

Molitor's refusal to actually try to build up the young guys continues to irk me. Just another reason why I don't believe that he's the right fit here.

 

I would say because Adrianza is the only viable backup for all the infield positions, so he is being used in a utilityrole.Let's be honest with ourselves here, Adrianza will be 29 next week and we know what he is.A light hitting, glove first infielder.If he were 23 and shown signs with his bat at any level, I would get this gripe, but eh...

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Molitor's refusal to actually try to build up the young guys continues to irk me.


I agree with you about playing Adrianza over Forsythe, but worth noting that Adrianza is almost 29 years old (birthday on August 21, which my wall calendar says is also Senior Citizens Day :) ).

So he's not that young, but he's definitely a bigger part of our future than Forsythe.
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The Twins haven’t won a playoff game in 16 years. If rebuilding takes that long, you’re doing something wrong.

What indications are there that this FO is committed to rebuilding? If, as you say, the Twins won’t be on the upswing for two more years, why wouldn’t they have traded Kyle Gibson - who possibly could have brought in a blue chip prospect to build around? Why are Matt Belisle, Fernando Rodney, Logan Morrison, Logan Forsythe, Jake Odorizzi and Robbie Grossman still rostered and playing (until injury sidelined some of them)?

None of them figure to be around in 2020. Rebuilding to me (and to most) means tearing it all down and starting at square one. There is zero indication that this FO is committed to that nor has there been since they were hired. Indeed, their plan seems to be to tread water and be satisfied being borderline competitive in a weak division.

 

They're in year 4 or 5 of the rebuild. We all forget they've been competitive in two of the last four years and have the #6 farm system. When I say upswing, I mean when the next wave of talent comes up. People get too focused on the here and now.

 

The Twins have good pieces now and good pieces coming up. Many organizations (not in big markets maybe) would be very happy to be in the Twins position. Glass is 3/4 full folks.

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diehardtwinsfan
Aug 09 2018 09:21 AM

 

If you are saying that “if Buxton doesn’t hit next year”. Rosters will be set and it will be much harder to find one that does. I think the Twins should be looking right now and into the off season for someone who can man the position in case “Buxton doesn’t hit next year”.

Interesting indeed.

 

I would plan on Buxton starting next season in the minors and try and find someone needing1 year make good contract (if one is out there). 

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Nine of twelve
Aug 09 2018 09:51 AM

 

Hildenberger is the latest Molitor overuse casualty.

I agree with this which is why I understand the complaints about it. But when it comes to a certain long-tenured player whenever he gets a day off the complaints seem to be that he is underused. Seems like a disconnect to me.

I could not care less whether we win or lose these games.The W/L's at this point are less relevant than those of the minor league teams.I'm interested in seeing the individual performances of those that are likely to be in 2019 plans.

 

To that end, I thought a few things were noteworthy.May looked encouraging.So did Sano.Two things happened in the 9th inning Sano at-bat that almost never happen with Sano.He was both looking for the breaking ball away ahead in the count...usually only looking FB in that situation...AND he seemed to consciously try to hit it to the right side of center.To me, he needs to take advantage of the low leverage games/at-bats remaining and keep working on this stuff and not worry about the HR totals, etc....almost as if he's still in the minors.

 

Also, Garver was awful behind the plate again.I don't care (for now)...needs to play more.

 

 

 

I agree with this which is why I understand the complaints about it. But when it comes to a certain long-tenured player whenever he gets a day off the complaints seem to be that he is underused. Seems like a disconnect to me.

Good point.I never thought of it this way.We probably have 'certain long-tenured player' on a step-count.

 

I agree with this which is why I understand the complaints about it. But when it comes to a certain long-tenured player whenever he gets a day off the complaints seem to be that he is underused. Seems like a disconnect to me.

 

It's kind of hard to overuse a hitter, compared to a pitcher. They are two different animals. Most hitters don't need time off, if they do, that handicaps the teams. Pitchers? totally different, they need time off.

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I agree with this which is why I understand the complaints about it. But when it comes to a certain long-tenured player whenever he gets a day off the complaints seem to be that he is underused. Seems like a disconnect to me.

As Mike noted, they are not remotely comparable situations.

 

 

 

I would say because Adrianza is the only viable backup for all the infield positions, so he is being used in a utilityrole.Let's be honest with ourselves here, Adrianza will be 29 next week and we know what he is.A light hitting, glove first infielder.If he were 23 and shown signs with his bat at any level, I would get this gripe, but eh...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing sleep over it. It's not as though Adrianza couldn't slide anywhere else on the infield if an injury came up during a game if he started. It's not like he's DH'ing. I just don't see much use in playing Forsythe since it's very unlikely that he'll be back.  

 

I agree with you about playing Adrianza over Forsythe, but worth noting that Adrianza is almost 29 years old (birthday on August 21, which my wall calendar says is also Senior Citizens Day :) ).

So he's not that young, but he's definitely a bigger part of our future than Forsythe.

Right, and I get that he's not all that young. Since he's much more likely to be here next season, it would stand to reason that he should see more action. I'm not losing sleep over it, I just see it as Molitor playing another veteran over somebody who could use the playing time more for future considerations.

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yarnivek1972
Aug 09 2018 10:35 AM
For all we know the FO could be intending to bring Forsythe back.

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