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Buzzwords Will Ignite the Twins Front Office

Following the 2016 Major League Baseball season the Minnesota Twins ushered in a new era. Gone was Terry Ryan and in was Derek Falvey. From that point forward, no attribution of what the organization has always done held weight, and it will be buzzwords that ultimately decide the fate of the current duo.
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When Thad Levine was introduced, the talk was about collaboration. Their organizational restructure has been focused around internal infrastructure. Upon entering a competitive window in 2020, the suggestion was for a necessary "impact" pitching addition. Each of the small quips or phrases allude to a larger story or goal, but it is there they will now be held accountable.

Impact pitching is now gone from the open market. When the Toronto Blue Jays landed Hyun-Jin Ryu, there were officially no arms left that would slot into the upper half of Rocco Baldelli’s rotation. That leaves us questioning where the club turns, but it’s worth suggesting that this front office very likely may have intended this path all along.

Jim Pohlad has not protected his pockets against this duo, and Falvine has not collaboratively come up with black eyes like “bilateral leg weakness.” No, this front office bided their time before appointing a Manager of the Year-quality leader in his rookie campaign. They nabbed a topflight collegiate pitching coach, they’ve overhauled the Baseball Operations department, and they’ve pilfered talent from all over the nation no matter what notch had been achieved on their target's belt. In short, they’ve laid a foundation for a successful and sustainable plan designed around competition.

Not surprisingly, that’s also how they’ve handled the offseason thus far. Thad Levine suggested that the initial goal was to “stabilize” the roster, and then move toward a position of “impact.” In retaining top talent and filling out the bullpen, it’s now reached the critical juncture of impact acquisitions being the only thing left to accomplish. If the offseason ended today, you’d be hard-pressed to find a Twins fan pleased with where things stand. Fortunately, it doesn’t end today, and that’s where our focus should be.

Given the goodwill generated by shrewd and well-timed decision making thus far, it’s hard to imagine a complete failure waiting in the weeds. The Twins have something like $30 million yet to hand out, and those impact moves they’ve preached have yet to be made. Rather than operating from the standpoint that it was all just talk, the surmise that we will see those "impact" developments is a very exciting one.

I can listen on Terry Ryan failing to land big fish. Maybe the Pohlad’s weren’t willing to open their pocketbooks for the necessary resources. We haven’t ever seen otherwise at this point, but the circumstances today are not what they were a decade ago. This offseason won’t be defined by what Minnesota has always done, or how the former regime operated. This all comes down to the execution plan from a dual-headed monster that has done everything to position the club in its current state as favorites within the AL Central Division.

Should the buzzwords end up going undefined and unfulfilled once the club heads to Twins Territory South down in Fort Myers, a full-on roast should be sent toward 1 Twins Way. Until that point however, the anticipation of impact and belief in those having fostered all this promise seems like a far fairer expenditure of emotional resources.

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So the FO has been there three years have had the team in the playoffs 2 of the three years winning the second most in team history and coming off a great season and we are complaining? As I have stated we do need an ace to get to the next level but they are extremely hard to come by. We will need to trade for one or develop one ... so yes zero post season wins the past three years. Guessing there are about 25-28 teams and their fans that would trade places in a second.


I'm just saying, that's what treading water looks like.

I have no problem with someone who enjoys the regular season ride, and doesn't worry about the postseason. That's fine, I know many feel that way.

That ain't me though. To me the ONLY purpose of the regular season is seeding for the games that matter.
To me zero postseason wins is the exact same outcome whether it came after 101 or 41 regular season wins.

Again, not saying my view is better or right, but that's how I feel.
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Respectfully your logic is flawed. So they help us get to over 100 wins and are two of the better FA pitchers out there... if we don't sign them we are looking at "worse" options or inexperienced system minor leaguers. If treading water is 100 wins count me in.... 

They entered the off-season with the #2 starter locked down. They needed to add 3, a #1, a #3 and a #4.. Retaining Odo and Pineda filled the 3rd and 4th spots. But the biggest and most important was not addressed. There's no way to spin it as a positive.

 

Put another way, their job is to allocate their available payroll as effectively as possible to improve the team. Instead they are sitting on $30 million in unspent cash, because they couldn't get a "deal." That benefits no one except the Pohlads. But perhaps their's a GM award for "most wins per payroll $" or "team that had the least bad contracts" that we don't know about. Even then, the Rays will win.

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"we really like our internal options"

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Dec 27 2019 08:15 AM

Respectfully he wasn't a free agent....

 

It all comes down to what we've been told verses what they do and they are 2 different things.

1.Re-signing your own players is not adding.

2.Having opponents, especially in your division, (White Sox), ADD more quality players than you do is going backward. 

3.The reason for Target Field was to be competitive in the Free Agent market due to the increase in revenue. If we haven't reached the point yet where we can compete for top Free Agents, we never will. Saying we were in the running or wasn't quite enough or they didn't want to come here only means 1 thing, we failed. 

4.Not signing Free Agents means you only have 1 option left to get what you need and that is trading. When you trade it costs other players, usually prospects that you are counting on for your future.

Which would you do?

1.Keep loads of cash now and trade away your future for an Ace

or

2.Spend cash now for a Free Agent Ace, and keep your future intact.  

Guess we know what they have decided.

It all comes down to what we've been told verses what they do and they are 2 different things.
1.Re-signing your own players is not adding.
2.Having opponents, especially in your division, (White Sox), ADD more quality players than you do is going backward.
3.The reason for Target Field was to be competitive in the Free Agent market due to the increase in revenue. If we haven't reached the point yet where we can compete for top Free Agents, we never will. Saying we were in the running or wasn't quite enough or they didn't want to come here only means 1 thing, we failed.
4.Not signing Free Agents means you only have 1 option left to get what you need and that is trading. When you trade it costs other players, usually prospects that you are counting on for your future.
Which would you do?
1.Keep loads of cash now and trade away your future for an Ace
or
2.Spend cash now for a Free Agent Ace, and keep your future intact.
Guess we know what they have decided.


I'm as disappointed as anyone in the offseason so far, but there were 2 aces available in free agency, and it wasn't realistic to expect the Twins to be in on either of them.
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“We were in on....”

Impact line = "The Future Is Ours!"

 

Falvey and Levine were hired before the season began, stuck with management and roster pretty much in place, and the need to go forward with a plan. They put together a five year plan.

 

I do feel they wanted their own manager, but stuck with Molitor, who then won and the Twins shined and they had to playthe winning season card for season ticket success.

 

It took them to the 2018 off-season to begin to put their final pieces in place, overhauling the minor league system, which is almost complete, in terms of staffing. Making decisions of the 100 inherited prospects.

 

2019 was a surprise success, too. Weak division, perhaps? But Cleveland was in the hunt in the end and almost pushed thru. The swinging bats and run production, as well as a solid bullpen, put the Twins out front.

 

Now they HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS on the core - Berrios, Buxton, Sano, Rosario. If not in the plans, all four could probably be at their best trade value right now.

 

Once those decisions are in place, they can look at the depth of the organization and decided where names like Gordon, Mirilloff, Larnach, Javier and more fit into longer term plans.

 

Is there a frustration? Yes. They came into this season with upwards of $30 million in cash on top of a winning record that should excite ballpark hounds for the 2020 season. You could say that previous avings and the marketplace could push that amount to nearly $50 million. Combine that amount with the fact that $40 million will also be coming off the books after the 2020 season, well the financials are there to make a splash.

 

Why did they not make a splash. Somehow Texas and Toronto both remade their starting rotations. Are they betetr than the Twins. Can I be mad that the Twins were bridesmaids (as were pothers) in the top five pitching market. I can't be mad when long-term contracts are on the line. I would rather see them tie up their own, young talent for such things than aging arms or bats.

 

Do they know what they are doing? They have to. That is their job. They NEED to put a team on the field to stimulate not only season ticket sales, but also fill the seats longter for the season, get good ratings on radio and television, create ad revenue.

 

I'm waiting to see what the front office does do. Yes, the have to define what is needed. We, as fan, see the need for one top-fight starter...better than Kyle Gibson (and I say Gibson circa 2018). One more bulklpen arm would be nice, preferably a closer unless one thinks Rogers or May is the future - but then we need another lefty in the pen not named Thielbar. 

 

But it all boils down to where Rosario plays in the scheme of things. Is Sano an investment towards first base or the designated hitter longterm. Is Buxton worthwhile for more than a season, quietly repalced by any number of prospects (Lewis, Kirilloff) come 2021. Do you give Berrios $100 million now instead of $200 million in a couple of seasons, and do you see him playing towards potential when he ahs cash in hand? 

 

Cleveland is still in the hunt. Chicago isp uting together a pretty solid team and staying in budget. Detroit is filling holes but still has weaknesses. It is ahrd to believe that someone paid a billion for the Royals. 

 

It all starts with starters. Berrios is a stud, but... Odorizzi gives you five innings. Pineda doesn't show up for work for a couple of months. Dobnak is new kid on the block and hungry. Thorpe has all the talent in the world but can he go a full season and give you innings, keep you in the game. Still down a aprtial arm. And there has to be someone out there better than everyone on the staff NOT named Berrios for the adding, especially when you have upwards of $30 million in payroll to play with for a year or three.

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Battle ur tail off
Dec 28 2019 11:32 AM

 

 

Now they HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS on the core - Berrios, Buxton, Sano, Rosario. If not in the plans, all four could probably be at their best trade value right now.

 

Once those decisions are in place, they can look at the depth of the organization and decided where names like Gordon, Mirilloff, Larnach, Javier and more fit into longer term plans.

 

 

 

If they trade any of those guys off the club, I'm pretty sure pitchforks will be out and in full force. 

 

We've been waiting for years and years and years for those guys. Been told forever to wait until they get here then we will compete. To trade them now when they are actually good and producing would be the largest slap in the face this Twins franchise has ever given their fans. I for one, would never go to a Twins game again. 

 

Also, look how long it took those guys you speak of to actually be solid MLB producers? Do we really think this next wave of prospects are going to come up and produce immediately? Certainly it will take most of them 2-3 seasons to reach their potential, if in fact, they aren't busts. 

 

I do however agree with you that this season or next, decisions will need to be made on these guys. 

 

 

 

 

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Good thing buzz words will ignite this front office.

 

Obviously, obtaining quality starting pitching doesn't.

At least start counting wins and losses before complaining about off season performance. Nothing like having a great off season. Just ask the Washington Redskins.

At least start counting wins and losses before complaining about off season performance. Nothing like having a great off season. Just ask the Washington Redskins.

The Redskins didn't add any pitching either, IIRC.
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