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Buxton's Season Over, Placed on 60-day Injured List

The Twins have announced that Byron Buxton is being put on the 60-day injured list, and his season is over. Earlier today on MLB Network Radio, Twins manager Rocco Baldelli said the Twins are “bracing for the realization this this could be [Twins centerfielder Byron Buxton’s] season ending right now.” Shoulder surgery is being considered, which would make Buxton unavailable for the rest of the regular season or the postseason.

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We feel the same way Byron.


Buxton has been a linchpin for the Twins defense this year when healthy. Fangraphs.com’ Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR/150) shows him as being about 15 runs better than an average centerfielder over 150 games played. There is also an additional negative cascading affect, as his presence in center allows Max Kepler to play right field, where he is also six runs better in UZR/150 than his most likely replacement, Jake Cave.

Twenty-one runs, at a high level, represents two games over a full season, but the perception of the loss is magnified by the concern about the Twins defense around the diamond. Of the Twins seven infielders and outfielders who have played the most at their positions, only Buxton and Kepler are deemed above average by UZR. Plus, Kepler was also pulled out of Sunday’s game with an injury, although an MRI on Monday for an injured scapula came back negative.

Buxton’s shoulder injury, along with two other injuries, also have short-circuited a breakthrough season for the 25-year-old. He had posted the highest batting average (.262), on-base percentage (.314) and slugging percentage (.513) of his career. He was also showing a better eye at the plate (19 walks versus 68 strikeouts) and of course was a weapon on the base paths with 19 stolen bases.

However, injuries have remained an issue. Last year was torpedoed due to a broken toe suffered from a foul ball in AAA-Rochester. This year he missed 13 games in June with a wrist injury after he was hit by a pitch. He then missed 10 games in July with a concussion after making a diving catch in the outfield. He returned but ran into a wall on August 1st, suffering a left (non-throwing) shoulder subluxation. He has not batted in the majors since.

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Especially since AK is about 100% to start next year in AA/AAA for probably half the season anyway. Healthy, he's currently behind Buck, Rosie, Kep, Cave, Wade, Margo, Rooker, and possibly Arraez and Tortuga or maybe even Raley. He'll need to hold off Larnach as well. He projects to be good enough that options won't matter much.

There's no roster reason not to bring him up.

That said, he hasn't demonstrated he's good enough yet. His slow start to the season may indicate he needs time to adjust. And MLB playoffs would be a steep curve. I'm also not convinced his short compact Hrbek swing translates to elite MLB hitter these days.


And the terrible options playing instead have? At least with Kirilloff there is a chance.

And the terrible options playing instead have? At least with Kirilloff there is a chance.


I didn't place Lamare ahead of him... I don't expect AK to rake right away, but I'd be excited to see him or Larnach or Rooker this season. Just doubt it makes the team any better unless the plan is to run out lamare and wade every night.
I'd like a team to play for upside, and stop worrying only about downside. There is no upside in some of these players being here. This is a year where you have a chance to win it all, take that chance, rather than be afraid it might not work.
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jorgenswest
Sep 13 2019 06:18 PM
My first thought with Buxton out and Pineda’s suspension opening up a roster spot was Kirilloff.

I then went and looked and he really didn’t perform that well when returning from injury. He had a good end of season but minor league pitching is pretty thin at the end of the season. I think he is up if he dominated AA over the long stretch of the season. He didn’t. He wasn’t close to dominating. A .413 SLG for a power hitter isn’t encouraging. He probably should start at AA and dominate until June before heading to AAA next year.

My initial thought to call up Kirilloff was based on hope of who he might be some day based on 2018. I think he has a good ceiling but I don’t think he is anywhere near that ceiling this year and there is no reason it would be different against major league pitching.

I don’t see options. It is hard to plan for losing Buxton, Gonzalez and Kepler for a stretch. Add Rooker’s injury and Kirilloff’s set back due to injury and you get Wade and LaMarre.

My first thought with Buxton out and Pineda’s suspension opening up a roster spot was Kirilloff.

I then went and looked and he really didn’t perform that well when returning from injury. He had a good end of season but minor league pitching is pretty thin at the end of the season. I think he is up if he dominated AA over the long stretch of the season. He didn’t. He wasn’t close to dominating. A .413 SLG for a power hitter isn’t encouraging. He probably should start at AA and dominate until June before heading to AAA next year.

My initial thought to call up Kirilloff was based on hope of who he might be some day based on 2018. I think he has a good ceiling but I don’t think he is anywhere near that ceiling this year and there is no reason it would be different against major league pitching.

I don’t see options. It is hard to plan for losing Buxton, Gonzalez and Kepler for a stretch. Add Rooker’s injury and Kirilloff’s set back due to injury and you get Wade and LaMarre.


Or you take a chance on upside. Or not, and just play guys you know are bad.

Take a look at Kyle Lewis and Nico Hoerner's minor league numbers and MLB numbers since their recent call ups. 

 

Minor league numbers are meaningful but sometimes the talent just kicks in at the highest level. 

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yarnivek1972
Sep 13 2019 06:45 PM

Or you take a chance on upside. Or not, and just play guys you know are bad.


Wade had a .750 OPS at AAA. Why would you have any reason to believe that a guy who had a .750 OPS at AA would be better?

Wade had a .750 OPS at AAA. Why would you have any reason to believe that a guy who had a .750 OPS at AA would be better?


Well, LaMarre is also there and playing. And, Kirilloff is a better hitter than Wade. And, Kirilloff hit better as he got healthier.

Again, play it safe, or play for upside? In a playoff year? Upside.
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jorgenswest
Sep 13 2019 07:14 PM
It is hard to see any 2019 upside in Kirilloff. I do believe in his upside and look forward to his bat at 26 and hope that it arrives sooner. He needs to consistently hit in AA first. He didn’t.

It is hard to see any 2019 upside in Kirilloff. I do believe in his upside and look forward to his bat at 26 and hope that it arrives sooner. He needs to consistently hit in AA first. He didn’t.


26?

Good golly, he's a top fifty prospect....

What upside do you see in LaMarre?
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jorgenswest
Sep 13 2019 07:38 PM

26?
Good golly, he's a top fifty prospect....
What upside do you see in LaMarre?


His upside is average defender, average base runner and professional at bats against left handed pitchers.

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