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Buxton's Season Over, Placed on 60-day Injured List

The Twins have announced that Byron Buxton is being put on the 60-day injured list, and his season is over. Earlier today on MLB Network Radio, Twins manager Rocco Baldelli said the Twins are “bracing for the realization this this could be [Twins centerfielder Byron Buxton’s] season ending right now.” Shoulder surgery is being considered, which would make Buxton unavailable for the rest of the regular season or the postseason.

Update: This story is being updated as new announcements are made.
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We feel the same way Byron.


Buxton has been a linchpin for the Twins defense this year when healthy. Fangraphs.com’ Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR/150) shows him as being about 15 runs better than an average centerfielder over 150 games played. There is also an additional negative cascading affect, as his presence in center allows Max Kepler to play right field, where he is also six runs better in UZR/150 than his most likely replacement, Jake Cave.

Twenty-one runs, at a high level, represents two games over a full season, but the perception of the loss is magnified by the concern about the Twins defense around the diamond. Of the Twins seven infielders and outfielders who have played the most at their positions, only Buxton and Kepler are deemed above average by UZR. Plus, Kepler was also pulled out of Sunday’s game with an injury, although an MRI on Monday for an injured scapula came back negative.

Buxton’s shoulder injury, along with two other injuries, also have short-circuited a breakthrough season for the 25-year-old. He had posted the highest batting average (.262), on-base percentage (.314) and slugging percentage (.513) of his career. He was also showing a better eye at the plate (19 walks versus 68 strikeouts) and of course was a weapon on the base paths with 19 stolen bases.

However, injuries have remained an issue. Last year was torpedoed due to a broken toe suffered from a foul ball in AAA-Rochester. This year he missed 13 games in June with a wrist injury after he was hit by a pitch. He then missed 10 games in July with a concussion after making a diving catch in the outfield. He returned but ran into a wall on August 1st, suffering a left (non-throwing) shoulder subluxation. He has not batted in the majors since.

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A: Injuries suck. 

 

B: I see they are being super aggressive with the call up. When is this team going to be aggressive? It wasn't at the break, that's for sure. I keep being told "just wait, they'll make a big move when they are serious contenders". Like, if not the trade deadline, and if not now, when?

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Errrgh.... on the plus side, there isn't going to be high expectations in the playoffs this year. Perhaps that will allow the team to play their best baseball.

This is one of those times that I remind myself that the Twins weren't supposed to contend this year, that to some degree we're playing with house money, and the window really opens in the next couple years.

Needless to say, it's not a great balm.


Depends who you ask and when. Most thought our window was opening last year. then last year happened. But this year with the contracts coming od the books was pointed to for years as the year. Our rotation for next year is starting to look like the AAAA carousel of old... If you wanted to bet that next year's team will win more games than this year's team, I'd take the under for pretty hard.
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Kinda miss Jaylin Davis right about now.


Agreed as he'd be up around now, maybe even before August ended. But...and this is no slight to Davis...he would only be up because the Twins needed to go to their arguably 6-7-8 OF.

I mean, Marwin is the 4th OF. Cave is the 5th. Adrianza and even Arraez can play the OF, but with injuries, it could be argued who is/was the 6th/7th OF between Wade and Davis. And it may not have been either if Raley hadn't hurt his ankle so badly.

Just crazy!

A little hard not to be despondent right now.
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Oof, so the red shirts gotta survive in this scenario?Redshirt_characters_from_Star_Trek.jpg


Of course, I know that episode from just the one clip, lol!
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"Ensigns Wade, Miller, and LaMarre, I know that none of you were expecting this. I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to ask you to grow up a little sooner than you expected. Warp five."
 
/ edit - I know, I know, LaMarre is 30, Miller is 27, and even Wade is no spring chicken anymore at 25. Humor me.


Good news: There is defense, speed and maybe a little contact and OB ability there.

Bad news: Questionable hitting at best and virtually zero power.
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FlauerPauer
Sep 10 2019 04:22 PM

Should have traded him for Syndagaard. Plain and simple, this dude can't stay healthy. He absolutely needs to think about the big picture and realize that the highlight catch is great in the moment, but if he's only playing an average of 90 games a year, those catches that save a run one game end up costing the team way more runs in the long run. Hard to tell an athlete not to go balls-to-the-wall, but something needs to give. Twins have been fine without him. I expect them to continue to do so.

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For those interested, I did an old blog post regarding Wander Javier's shoulder surgery, which I suspect is quite similar to what Buxton is going through. Feel free to post with additional questions and I’ll do what I can.

All right, here's my question: given Javier's first season back, from surgery on the non-throwing shoulder, with rather poor results at the plate, are there grounds for optimism with Buxton for 2020?

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I feel really bad for the guy. I hope he has a speedy recovery, and takes to heart that playing smart can lead to a much better career than playing with uncompromising reckless abandon. He will have plenty of time to think about it, that's for sure.

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Original Whizzinator
Sep 10 2019 05:12 PM

I would love to see some data on what percent of players go from being injury prone youngsters to ever playing more than a fluke full season.

Kyle Rudolf

All right, here's my question: given Javier's first season back, from surgery on the non-throwing shoulder, with rather poor results at the plate, are there grounds for optimism with Buxton for 2020?


Javier missed a full season, though, and was simultaneously making his full season debut. I think there were development issues at play there, beyond the injury.
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MVP Nick Punto
Sep 10 2019 05:54 PM
Man, Pineda/Buxton was the 1-2 punch I definitely didn't need. Wind right out of the sails in rapid fashion.
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tarheeltwinsfan
Sep 10 2019 05:57 PM

Sorry Byron. I wish you healing and a speedy and complete recovery.

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You slow him down... He isn't the same player. 

 

Yes... he has been injury prone but not all of the injuries were fearless reckless baseball injuries. 

 

 

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You slow him down... He isn't the same player. 

 

Yes... he has been injury prone but not all of the injuries were fearless reckless baseball injuries. 

Circumstances dictate actions.If we are playing Wrigley you want him playing the same way?

He might die if he didn't learn to adapt.

 

I don't like the idea that he doesn't need to change.What he is right now really isn't all that impactful.He's played in about 40% of the games over the last two seasons. Playing the way he has resulted in 115 games in two seasons isn't the ticket.Not for a guy who was 24 and 25 years old during those seasons.

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Circumstances dictate actions.If we are playing Wrigley you want him playing the same way?

He might die if he didn't learn to adapt.

 

I don't like the idea that he doesn't need to change.What he is right now really isn't all that impactful.He's played in about 40% of the games over the last two seasons. Playing the way he has resulted in 115 games in two seasons isn't the ticket.Not for a guy who was 24 and 25 years old during those seasons.

 

It hasn't resulted in 115 games in two seasons. 

 

Migraines are not a product of his play... A foul ball of his toe is not a product of his play. 

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Oof brutal.... hopefully a strong recovery in the offseason and Buck hits the ground running in the spring
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Nine of twelve
Sep 10 2019 06:47 PM

 

I would love to see some data on what percent of players go from being injury prone youngsters to ever playing more than a fluke full season.

See Molitor, Paul.

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All right, here's my question: given Javier's first season back, from surgery on the non-throwing shoulder, with rather poor results at the plate, are there grounds for optimism with Buxton for 2020?

 Obviously I don't have any specific knowledge of Buxton's case, so I really can't say with any certainty. But, I can give my interpretation of the freely available info.  Buxton's issue has been called subluxation, which typically means less significant structural damage as compared to a dislocation. As a result, there is typically not a need for as extensive surgery (when surgery is needed). Because there is usually less damage to the ligaments/labrum, fewer anchors and less tightening of the tissue around the shoulder would be expected. This (hopefully) means easier recovery of range of motion after surgery, which hopefully will lead to fewer problems with overall function and (hopefully) a slightly quicker recovery than more extensive surgery. 

 It can often take several months for recovery (I think I saw somewhere a 5-6 month timetable, which I would consider about right). Once 'recovered', there can still be some additional time needed to be 'back to normal'. I often specify to my patients that I would define 'recovered' differently from 'back to normal'. Sometimes those two are the same, and sometimes it takes more time to feel 'normal'. On occasion, the joint never feels back to 'normal', but many athletes can adapt to their 'new normal' and perform at a very high level. 

 So to answer your question, I would expect the surgery to have a more significant effect on Buxton's hitting than his fielding. The magnitude of that difference is basically impossible to predict with any reliability. Despite Buxton's many injury issues, I don't recall ever reading anything regarding him being less than diligent about his recovery, and I would expect this to be no different. My guess is that he will be a full go either at the beginning of spring training or soon thereafter- though obviously many things could happen between now and then that could have an effect on that. For Byron's and the Twins' sake, I hope everything goes smoothly and he is back to his speedy, joy-to-watch self. Dr. ElAttrache is certainly a well-respected surgeon within the orthopedic world, so he is in good hands. 

 

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Brock Beauchamp
Sep 10 2019 06:58 PM

It sure would be refreshing if this team could have nice things in October for once.

 

2006, it was Liriano, lost while he was potentially the best pitcher in baseball.

 

2010, it was Morneau, lost while he was on pace for a 10 (!!!!) WAR season.

 

2019, it's roughly a quarter of the team that is questionable with two of its most important pieces out for the season.

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It sure would be refreshing if this team could have nice things in October for once.

Well, there was 1987 and 1991. It could be worse! :)

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Aerodeliria
Sep 10 2019 10:17 PM

 

Kinda miss Jaylin Davis right about now.

That reminds me; isn't there some kind of clause about receiving damaged goods? I mean obviously Dyson had this injury before SF 'dumped' him on the Twins. It's hard to believe that they had no knowledge of his shoulder problem.

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KirbyDome89
Sep 10 2019 10:26 PM

 

This is one of those times that I remind myself that the Twins weren't supposed to contend this year, that to some degree we're playing with house money, and the window really opens in the next couple years.

 

Needless to say, it's not a great balm.

It's always next year right?

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Aerodeliria
Sep 10 2019 10:44 PM

The problem is that the injuries, if they continue (I assume that they will), will start to have a negative effect on his play in a more permanent way. In other words, he may never actually fully recover to the point where he feels like his old self. As a similar example, Jacob Ellsbury was going to be the Yankees' dream outfielder. He could hit. He could run. He could play "D." Now, he can't hit like he should be and he really isn't doing that much running because most of the time he is dealing with the effects of all those nagging injuries. He can't play "D" because he can't stay in the lineup.

 

Is there a point where the Twins say, "Let's cut our losses?" (Lest the poison arrows rain down from the heavens, I'm only asking the question--not advocating. I just want to know others' opinions.)

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Brock Beauchamp
Sep 10 2019 10:54 PM

 

The problem is that the injuries, if they continue (I assume that they will), will start to have a negative effect on his play in a more permanent way. In other words, he may never actually fully recover to the point where he feels like his old self. As a similar example, Jacob Ellsbury was going to be the Yankees' dream outfielder. He could hit. He could run. He could play "D." Now, he can't hit like he should be and he really isn't doing that much running because most of the time he is dealing with the effects of all those nagging injuries. He can't play "D" because he can't stay in the lineup.

 

Is there a point where the Twins say, "Let's cut our losses?" (Lest the poison arrows rain down from the heavens, I'm only asking the question--not advocating. I just want to know others' opinions.)

Ellsbury is not a great talking point because he made his name on a single outlier year and wasn't great beyond that single season. His defensive metrics were mostly meh.


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