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UPDATED: On Friday night, Byron Buxton was named the Best Defensive Centerfielder by Wilson. Also, at the Rawlings ceremony, Buxton was presented the Rawlings Platinum Glove as the best defensive player in baseball!

For the first time since 2007, the Twins have multiple Gold Glove winners. Brian Dozier and Byron Buxton each won their first career Gold Gloves.
It is the first time since Joe Mauer won his third Gold Glove behind the plate in 2010.

Dozier and Buxton are the 42nd and 43rd times the Twins have won Gold Glove Awards.
Image courtesy of Jordan Johnson, USA Today
While there is little surprise with the selection of Byron Buxton, despite great competition in center field, many will be surprised that Brian Dozier won.

Some of the advanced metrics indicate that while his range may be just league average, or a little lower, he makes the plays that he gets to. Of all AL second basemen with more than 1,000 innings played this year, he had the fewest errors. He also had a lot of web gems.

Dozier topped veterans Ian Kinsler and Dustin Pedroia for the award.

Buxton beat out Lorenzo Cain and Kevin Pillar, both terrific center fielders, for his award. Kevin Keiermeier was not eligible because of all his time on the disabled list.

Buxton ranked third in defensive runs saved this year and second among outfielders to right-fielder Mookie Betts. He had some of the greatest web gems of the year.

Congratulations to both. They are both extremely hard workers who deserve any awards they may have coming.

Also, Joe Mauer was still snubbed!

In addition, Twins Hall of Famer Jim Kaat was named to the Rawlings 60th Anniversary Gold Glove team!


VOTE!!!! For the next 24 hours, fans can vote for the Platinum Glove Award to recognize the best defensive player of the 2017 season. Byron Buxton should get a lot of votes!

UPDATE


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Don Walcott
Nov 08 2017 09:14 AM

Buxton not winning would have been a travesty. He was spectacular this year. If he stays healthy, he will definitely win a bunch of these. Even if he doesn't deserve it in some future year, there seems to be an incumbency factor to the award that's just as pervasive as the gold batting glove factor.

 

And good for Dozier. Despite defensive metrics, yada yada yada, I don't see Kinsler and Pedroia as being noticeably better than him. His playing a lot of games very consistently with the glove was valuable to his team.

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Brock Beauchamp
Nov 08 2017 09:31 AM

 

Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

 

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

 

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

1. Because Dozier didn't deserve this particular award. That's not a knock on Brian, as he had an excellent season.

 

2. A guy who at least deserved consideration, Mauer, didn't even make the finalist cut.

 

I'm glad for Brian but I wish this award was based more on defensive merit and not reputation and/or offense.

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Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

No need to apologize for getting on a moral high horse. Your post doesnt put you on a moral high horse at all.

People have a right to discuss whether or not players are deserving on an award. NO ONE SEEMS TO BE UPSET Dozier won (and there of tons of congratulations). Some are just wondering if he was the best choice, and I dont know wondering that means that peole want him gone for new shiny propsects.

Some fans are putting their fandom aside and asking if he was deserving in the same way some people are wondering why Hosmer even warrants a top 3 spot much less winning the thing.

Its a baseball discussion about the merits of an award.
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Buxton not winning would have been a travesty. He was spectacular this year. If he stays healthy, he will definitely win a bunch of these. Even if he doesn't deserve it in some future year, there seems to be an incumbency factor to the award that's just as pervasive as the gold batting glove factor.

 

And good for Dozier. Despite defensive metrics, yada yada yada, I don't see Kinsler and Pedroia as being noticeably better than him. His playing a lot of games very consistently with the glove was valuable to his team.

Definitely an incumbency factor which really diminishes the award for me. Hrbek never winning one always comes to mind. Gordon in the past has played so well in left field that I can hardly believehe shouldn't be on the 60 year team but 2017 he must have been perfect in games I didn't watch because he was far from it in games I did watch. 

Gibson has had some really good defensive seasons at pitcher but he could be the best ever and not get close to the award if his ERA is north of 4.00. 

Dozier?meh, he has had some better years based on my eyeball test but as has been pointed out there are probably worse winners every single year.

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BTW, for the award, they do take SDI into account for 25% of the vote. I dont know much about that stat.

Dozier did finish 2nd for AL 2B in that, whereas Hosmer finished 12 out of the 13 AL 1Bs listed.
Overall for American League SDI Twins rankings.

Castro: 4th out of 17
Mauer: 3rd out of 13
Dozier: 2nd out of 13
Sano: 11th out of 13
Polanco: 8th out of 13
Rosario: 7th out of 14
Buxton: 1st out of 11
Kepler: 5th out of 12.
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tarheeltwinsfan
Nov 08 2017 10:13 AM
What do you call a player who is awarded a Gold Glove award, even though his advanced metrics aren't the best at the position? THE GOLD GLOVE WINNER! Hardy congratulations to Buck and Bull Dozer. I am extremely happy for both of them.
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Brock Beauchamp
Nov 08 2017 10:16 AM

Overall for American League SDI Twins rankings.

Castro: 4th out of 17
Mauer: 3rd out of 13
Dozier: 2nd out of 13
Sano: 11th out of 13
Polanco: 8th out of 13
Rosario: 7th out of 14
Buxton: 1st out of 11
Kepler: 5th out of 12.

Impressive. Six out of eight guys in the top half of the rankings.
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Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

 

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

 

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

 

I don't know if it's necessarily a Minnesota thing.I think Mauer gettting snubbed at even being a finalist is the root cause for some lesser enthusiasm on Dozier's win. 

 

Fear of coming across as a hypocrite for saying, "WTF, Hosmer?" followed by "Yeah, Dozier!" is definitely a driver.

 

If Mauer had even been a finalist, I very much doubt Dozier's defense would have been picked on the way it has in both the finalist thread and this thread.

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tarheeltwinsfan
Nov 08 2017 10:18 AM

Overall for American League SDI Twins rankings.

Castro: 4th out of 17
Mauer: 3rd out of 13
Dozier: 2nd out of 13
Sano: 11th out of 13
Polanco: 8th out of 13
Rosario: 7th out of 14
Buxton: 1st out of 11
Kepler: 5th out of 1

That is an average of 5.125. Not bad. The left side needs improvement.

Can someone share a link to the SDI stats?

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howieramone2
Nov 08 2017 10:24 AM

 

That is an average of 5.125. Not bad. The left side needs improvement.

There is no reason to believe Sano and Polanco won't improve in their 2nd full season at the position.

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stringer bell
Nov 08 2017 10:24 AM
Expanding on Don Walcott’s comments above. According to espn, all qualified second basemen were grouped between +1 and -1 wins IIRC. There weren’t any great or horrible defenders. Dozier won, good for him. Because of Altuve, he may never win a Silver Bat and in another era, he might already have won multiple Silver Sluggers.
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I wouldn't have given it to Dozier, but at least he's not an awful choice. He did have a very good season out there: made very few mistakes, made a lot of spectacular plays. I don't know there was a slam dunk choice like Buxton was for CF in the AL at 2B this year, so Dozier caught a bit of a break.

 

Buxton was an easy choice. Gosh, he's fabulous to watch. And frankly, he could be better next year. A little more experience at judging balls in MLB parks, a little more work on his routes, a little better recognition on balls off the bat...and hopefully no early season drought at the plate to distract him, either! Seriously: we may not have seen Peak Buxton in the field yet!

 

I'm still disappointed that Mauer didn't win the GG, and leaving him off the finalist list was a crime. Hosmer won on reputation and that's a shame. He's a fine player, but his D wasn't there this season and it felt like the bad old days where 1Bs were winning based on their bat not their glove.

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Ian Kinsler was the clear leader in SDI, DRS and UZR while being 2nd in RZR to Altuve.

Still happy for Dozier that he got it.

 

1. Because Dozier didn't deserve this particular award. That's not a knock on Brian, as he had an excellent season.

 

2. A guy who at least deserved consideration, Mauer, didn't even make the finalist cut.

 

I'm glad for Brian but I wish this award was based more on defensive merit and not reputation and/or offense.

 

 

No need to apologize for getting on a moral high horse. Your post doesnt put you on a moral high horse at all.

People have a right to discuss whether or not players are deserving on an award. NO ONE SEEMS TO BE UPSET Dozier won (and there of tons of congratulations). Some are just wondering if he was the best choice, and I dont know wondering that means that peole want him gone for new shiny propsects.

Some fans are putting their fandom aside and asking if he was deserving in the same way some people are wondering why Hosmer even warrants a top 3 spot much less winning the thing.

Its a baseball discussion about the merits of an award.

Gentleman, I must agree that you are both probably **cough** correct **cough**.:)  

 

Are there 2B who are better/more athletic/greater range, etc. with the glove than Brian? Yes, that I will never argue.

 

In short, thank you for accepting my rant (most likely with a Spock eyebrow arch and a "Who let the village idiot out again??").

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Gentleman, I must agree that you are both probably **cough** correct **cough**.:)  
 
Are there 2B who are better/more athletic/greater range, etc. with the glove than Brian? Yes, that I will never argue.
 
In short, thank you for accepting my rant (most likely with a Spock eyebrow arch and a "Who let the village idiot out again??").

Like Spock, the posters you copied in your response do not have the ability to allow human emotions to enter into any equation! They operate on a cold, analytical, soulless, and pragmatic platform! :) :) Live Long and Prosper!
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Like Spock, the posters you copied in your response do not have the ability to allow human emotions to enter into any equation! They operate on a cold, analytical, soulless, and pragmatic platform! :) :) Live Long and Prosper!


Nicely played.... As for me, I more choose to use my emotion on things I actually care about.... Sports has become more about analysis and examination for me, and less about attachment, especially individuals.
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Nicely played.... As for me, I more choose to use my emotion on things I actually care about.... Sports has become more about analysis and examination for me, and less about attachment, especially individuals.

Your point is well made, and sad. I understand the use of, and somewhat obvious benefits of analytics. But that does not make the game more interesting. To me it makes it almost sterile! :(
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Your point is well made, and sad. I understand the use of, and somewhat obvious benefits of analytics. But that does not make the game more interesting. To me it makes it almost sterile! :(

I have no problem with being able to love the game of baseball (and the Twins) passionately while also being able study and/or analyze the game. My love of the game isnt tied into enjoying the game the same way as I did as a kid.


Just because I dont think Dozier deserved the award, doesnt mean I cant love the fact he won as a Twins fan.
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I don't watch analytics. I watch the games.

 

Buxton won the award from Wilson as well.

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Once again, the GG award is all over the place. Another award in baseball for which the criteria is on a "need to know" basis, and a true mystery.



Buxton won the award from Wilson as well.

Buxton was awesome and deserving,but he didnt lead all MLB OF in DRS. Betts did.

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