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Article: Twins Trade Rumors Roundup: Teams Pondering Selling

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Blueprinting the Twins Deadline Plan

At the All-Star break Rocco Baldelli’s Minnesota Twins currently own the third best record in the American League. They have a 5.5 game lead on the Cleveland Indians in the AL Central division, and the +113-run differential is second-most in all of baseball. This team is good, but they have areas needing improvement and just a couple of weeks to execute that improvement. You’ve read plenty of names by this point, but what does the actual blueprint look like?
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Minnesota has been linked to players like Marcus Stroman and Madison Bumgarner. The Twins have ties to any number of relievers, and you can bet the front office has no desire to leave any stone unturned. We’re soon getting to decision time though, and what they acquire will matter almost as much as who they acquire.

Needs

The bare minimum here is two relief pitchers. Taylor Rogers has been nothing short of exceptional this season, but he needs to continue with an ability to operate as a hybrid pitcher. Keeping him solely locked into the ninth inning or late inning work isn’t necessarily ideal. He benefits Baldelli most by working as the fireman, and being able to work multiple innings is a massive boost.

Ideally one of the arms acquired should be a southpaw and finding an impending free agent over 30 years-old with an ERA right around the mid-3.00 range shouldn’t be a difficult task. Realistically hat type of get isn’t going to cost any significant prospect and the boost could be substantial.

On top of relief help a starter would be a definite bonus. Minnesota has just Jose Berrios and Martin Perez locked down for the rotation in 2020, and a controllable asset there makes a ton of sense. Giving up prospects for relief help is never an enticing plan of action but tying in a controllable starter would help to lessen that blow.

When the deadline comes and goes on July 31st success should be measured for Minnesota numerically. At least two relief arms would represent a job well done, and an additional starter could tip things over the top.

Process

Derek Falvey is going to need prospect capital in order to make any move. I’d imagine, and probably suggest, that both Royce Lewis and Alex Kirilloff be non-starters in almost any package. From there though the Twins will have significant depth at their disposal. Finding a way to both utilize and conserve talent at the same time would provide an optimal crossroads.

Opposing organizations are likely going to want trades completed for one big-league asset at a time. If I’m Minnesota however, pairing the starter with a reliever is a way to mitigate risk. Working to pass on parting with real prospects for a rental or relief arm, adding in controllable starting talent opens the door to more coveted names.

There’s a handful of selling teams that have assets in both areas Rocco Baldelli’s club currently needs to upgrade. There should be no reason that any deal with those clubs doesn’t go down the path of two players at once when discussions start. Settling on one at a time is fine but look to pair a maximized return with a protected parting.

Redundancy

It’s true that there’re specific areas on the farm that you’ll never have too many prospects. Up the middle and on the mound, teams will forever find a way to utilize talent. For the Twins, in their current situation, one of the best ways may be in using said players as trade chips.

Falvey has a system chock full of middle infield prospects and corner outfielders. Although there’s not a significant number of upper-tier arms, there are a select few that have significant upside. Most of this talent is still at or below Double-A which makes the future risk carry a hefty amount of uncertainty. Using a trade partner to thin out some of that talent and turn it into big league commodities is hardly a bad blueprint.

This offseason the Twins will also be up against a 40-man roster crunch that will put some bigger names in a position where they could be exposed. Utilizing them now in a way that draws a return is a significantly better decision than seeing them lost in the Rule 5 Draft.

At its core the trade deadline should be a ton of fun for fans of the Minnesota Twins. This team is in position to be a legitimate player for the first time in nearly a decade. Good at the big-league level and on the farm, there’s opportunity to make some serious noise. The goal should be to acquire at least two assets, attempt to engage big with one partner, and work through some of your similar assets. How it all shakes out remains to be seen, but we’ll have answers soon enough.

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By my unofficial research and some parsing of Roster Resource data the Twins have 70 players to fit into a 40-man roster come this winter with Rule 5 Eligibles and current 39 man roster (here's a link )

 

I gotta believe there will be several Rule 5-ers moving on

 

Here's who's Rule 5 Eligible this winter

 

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First off, what an incredible first half of the season! If the Twins are going to take a run at winning the World Series, this would be a good year to do it. At minimum, I think the Twins need to acquire one high end starter and two high end relievers. 

Those clamoring for sending Pineda to then pen realize he's pitching really well of late right?

 

This is a guy who is gaining strength and getting back into the swing after TJ surgery, he seems to be coming into his own at the halfway point of the season.

 

Over the last month he is 2-1 with 31 K's in 28.2 IP, a 2.83 ERA and 1.01 WHIP.

 

He's only allowed 1 run in four of his last five starts, with the other being one with a bad 5 run inning against Kansas City where he gave up a 3 run HR to Hunter Dozier. His good starts came against BOS, SEA, and TEX, who all have potent offenses.

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diehardtwinsfan
Jul 11 2019 05:16 AM

 

So you wouldn't trade Gordon, Mejia and Stewart for Bumgarner and Will Smith? I believe I would, and I wouldn't expect to be fired if I did...

Bumgardner isn't my top choice for a starter, but if that option is on the table, I think Falvine takes it before SF can hang up the phone. 

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diehardtwinsfan
Jul 11 2019 05:19 AM

 

Those clamoring for sending Pineda to then pen realize he's pitching really well of late right?

 

This is a guy who is gaining strength and getting back into the swing after TJ surgery, he seems to be coming into his own at the halfway point of the season.

 

Over the last month he is 2-1 with 31 K's in 28.2 IP, a 2.83 ERA and 1.01 WHIP.

 

He's only allowed 1 run in four of his last five starts, with the other being one with a bad 5 run inning against Kansas City where he gave up a 3 run HR to Hunter Dozier. His good starts came against BOS, SEA, and TEX, who all have potent offenses.

 

yeah, I suspect Perez goes to the pen before Pineda. 

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RatherBeGolfing
Jul 11 2019 07:01 AM

 

Those clamoring for sending Pineda to then pen realize he's pitching really well of late right?

 

This is a guy who is gaining strength and getting back into the swing after TJ surgery, he seems to be coming into his own at the halfway point of the season.

 

Over the last month he is 2-1 with 31 K's in 28.2 IP, a 2.83 ERA and 1.01 WHIP.

 

He's only allowed 1 run in four of his last five starts, with the other being one with a bad 5 run inning against Kansas City where he gave up a 3 run HR to Hunter Dozier. His good starts came against BOS, SEA, and TEX, who all have potent offenses.

 

That ruins the narrative, though!

"We may have enough guys to get by in the pen if the starters can get some relatively deep starts."

 

The run that the Nationals are on is a result of starters averaging 7 innings. Now its crunch time and if starters can't go deeper than 4 or 5 innings forget playoffs I don't care who they get in the pen. Maybe there is no magic wand to accomplish that but it must happen never the less.

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woolywoolhouse
Jul 11 2019 07:38 AM

Listened to Falvey on the SKOR North Twins Show podcast on 7/10. I'm going to paraphrase from memory here, but essentially he said that - because of the hard July 31st deadline date - sellers are more likely to lower their asking price the closer to the deadline they wait to pull the trigger. 

 

My positive side says "That's smart shopping."

 

My neutral sid says "But don't wait too long."

 

And my negative side says "So you're going to let the other teams get the good pitchers to win this year; take the third- or fourth-tier leftovers; and be happy with a first-round elimination, losing three straight to whichever team takes Bumgartner or Stroman."

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SpicyGarvSauce
Jul 11 2019 09:15 AM

 


 

And my negative side says "So you're going to let the other teams get the good pitchers to win this year; take the third- or fourth-tier leftovers; and be happy with a first-round elimination, losing three straight to whichever team takes Bumgartner or Stroman."

 

And this would be such a Minnesota Twins thing to do.

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diehardtwinsfan
Jul 11 2019 09:24 AM

 

Listened to Falvey on the SKOR North Twins Show podcast on 7/10. I'm going to paraphrase from memory here, but essentially he said that - because of the hard July 31st deadline date - sellers are more likely to lower their asking price the closer to the deadline they wait to pull the trigger. 

 

My positive side says "That's smart shopping."

 

My neutral sid says "But don't wait too long."

 

And my negative side says "So you're going to let the other teams get the good pitchers to win this year; take the third- or fourth-tier leftovers; and be happy with a first-round elimination, losing three straight to whichever team takes Bumgartner or Stroman."

 

If that's the case, you won't see many trades until the deadline... Truthfully, I'd rather we pay a bit more and add some help sooner than later... that's just me. If you start seeing trades in the next week though, then the Twins had better get on it or your negative side is right.

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Battle ur tail off
Jul 11 2019 09:44 AM

 

 

 

And my negative side says "So you're going to let the other teams get the good pitchers to win this year; take the third- or fourth-tier leftovers; and be happy with a first-round elimination, losing three straight to whichever team takes Bumgartner or Stroman."

 

Really, REALLY, hope this isn't the case. People have been waiting around a long time for our home grown talent to be here and producing to finally make a run for it. Well, here it is. Most of it is up here and producing but they need to add in order to give themselves a real shot to win in the playoffs. 

 

IMO, this trade deadline is the most important thing that has happened around here in a long time and definitely the biggest point in the careers of the 2 wonderkids we have running the show. 

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Really, REALLY, hope this isn't the case. People have been waiting around a long time for our home grown talent to be here and producing to finally make a run for it. Well, here it is. Most of it is up here and producing but they need to add in order to give themselves a real shot to win in the playoffs.

IMO, this trade deadline is the most important thing that has happened around here in a long time and definitely the biggest point in the careers of the 2 wonderkids we have running the show.


Thad Levine is 47 years old.
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yarnivek1972
Jul 11 2019 02:33 PM

Thad Levine is 47 years old.


wtf is that supposed to imply???

Did I mention I turn 47 in 3 months.

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wtf is that supposed to imply???

Did I mention I turn 47 in 3 months.

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That he's not a "kid", as the poster I quoted called him.

That he's not a "kid", as the poster I quoted called him.


Everyone is someone's "kid". :)

Everyone is someone's "kid". :)

So was Terry Ryan, and he was younger than Levine when he was promoted to GM. I don't think anyone derisively called him a wonderkid.


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