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Twins Daily 2019 Top Prospects: 11-15

The 2018 season was a turbulent one for the Minnesota Twins, and for some of their heralded upcoming talents as well. Two prospects who ranked among our top five a year ago now find themselves outside of the top ten.

But that's not necessarily damning in a robust system that shows well here in the 11 through 15 range.
15. Yunior Severino, 2B
Age: 19 (DOB: 10/3/99)
2018 Stats (Rookie): 218 PA, .263/.321/.424, 8 HR, 28 RBI
ETA: 2022
2018 Ranking: 18

It feels like a lifetime ago that the Atlanta Braves were handed severe sanctions for circumventing MLB's international signing rules, with GM John Coppolella banned for life and nine of the organization's signings released back into free agency. (Especially since Atlanta's internal rebuild coalesced so beautifully anyway in 2018.) But it was just last offseason that the Twins were able to capitalize and scoop up Severino, who enjoyed a solid rookie-level debut with his new franchise.

In 49 games at Elizabethton, Severino posted a .745 OPS that was nearly identical to the Appalachian League average (.746). He did so as an 18-year-old switch-hitting middle infielder, in a setting where the average player was two years older. His eight home runs tied for the league lead among second basemen.

Already closing in on 200 pounds as a teenager, Severino doesn't have much speed to speak of (he hasn't stolen a base in 107 games as a pro) and will probably end up at a corner spot defensively, so his bat will probably have to carry him. But there's plenty of potential in that department.

"He’s like Alex Kirilloff—his swing stands out from the others,” VP for player personnel Mike Radcliff told Baseball America when the Twins signed Severino. Not a bad comp.

14. Ben Rortvedt, C
Age: 21 (DOB: 9/25/97)
2018 Stats (A-/A+): 353 PA, .262/.331/.379, 5 HR, 43 RBI
ETA: 2021
2018 Ranking: 16

Since being drafted by the Twins as a second-rounder in 2016, Rortvedt's offensive game has lagged behind his relatively advanced defense. In that scope, his 2018 season has to be viewed as a success; between two levels of A-ball, the lefty-swinging Wisconsin native posted a .710 OPS, improving by more than 100 points on 2017's underwhelming mark (.599) at Cedar Rapids.

He certainly wasn't dominant at the plate following his midseason promotion to Fort Myers, but his approach was exemplary, with a 0.72 BB/K ratio that ranked second-best among Florida State League catchers with 100+ PA. At this point we're just waiting for a bit more power to emerge, which seems feasible as he keeps growing and adding strength. He totaled four home runs with the Miracle after hitting one in Cedar Rapids, the last a grand slam in late-August as part of a six-RBI outburst.

As a receiver, Rortvedt draws high marks. His excellent arm continues to control opposing run games, as he threw out 37% of base stealers last year following 2017's 36%. He figures to compete for a spot at Double-A this spring, but will have to fend off the next guy on this list.

13. Ryan Jeffers, C
Age: 21 (DOB: 6/3/97)
2018 Stats (Rookie/A-): 284 PA, .344/.444/.502, 7 HR, 33 RBI
ETA: 2021
2018 Ranking: N/A

I noted in recapping last year's list that while the system was generally balanced, "the notable area of concern is catcher." Rortvedt and Mitch Garver were the position's only representatives in the Top 20, and Garver would soon lose his prospect eligibility. So Jeffers immediately took on a great deal of importance when the Twins drafted him out UNC Wilmington in the second round, 59th overall, last June. He was the fourth catcher to come off the board, and the second collegiate backstop.

Answering the call, Jeffers arrived with a thunderous debut in pro ball. Although you'd generally expect a successful college hitter (Jeffers put up a 1.095 OPS with 16 homers in his final season at Wilmington) to catch on quickly in the low minors, Jeffers surpassed all expectations offensively, slashing a ridiculous .422/.543/.578 in 29 games at Elizabethton before moving up to Low-A, where he finished at .288/.361/.446 in 36 contests.

His bat looks legit. The key question is whether he'll stick at catcher. He's a big guy (6'4", 228) with a good arm (threw out five of 12 runners last year) but there are many raw aspects of his game behind the plate. For his part, he has no intentions of moving: "“The Twins haven’t even asked me to play anything else,” he told the Pioneer Press. “For me, that’s a good sign. They trust me behind the plate and want me to stick there. I want to stick back behind the plate. I don’t really want to play any other position.”

Jeffers and Rortvedt are two sides of the same coin, inspiring plenty of confidence in one dimension with less polish in the other. They're at roughly the same stage of development. It's tough to say at this point which one's more likely to emerge, but the Twins are much better off for having both of them in the system.

12. Nick Gordon, SS
Age: 23 (DOB: 10/24/95)
2018 Stats (AA/AAA): 591 PA, 248/.298/.355, 7 HR, 49 RBI
ETA: 2019
2018 Ranking: 3

In the plot line of Gordon's career, you can pinpoint the moment where his prospect stock absolutely peaked, and then embarked upon an abrupt nosedive. It was on May 22nd, 2018, when he was promoted to Triple-A and suddenly everything began to fall apart. Gordon had torn it up in Chattanooga over the first two months, slashing .333/.381/.525 to back up his preseason #3 ranking on Twins Daily's prospect list, but at Rochester his limitations took center-stage.

Gordon's offensive potential was always based more on projection than production. That he was able to remain a regular fixture in national prospect rankings despite never cracking a .750 OPS through four years speaks to the prestige of his pedigree. In Triple-A, the lack of power and patience caused him to tank. He endured multiple long hitless stretches. In his final 40 games he batted .166 with three extra-base hits in 170 plate appearances. Even with the context that a 22-year-old Gordon was young for the International League, it was tough to find silver linings.

Meanwhile, the questions about his viability at shortstop gained more weight, as Gordon ceded a higher percentage of playing time than ever before – nearly one out of every three starts – to second base. An eventual move across the bag was generally assumed, given his lack of standout arm strength, but if Gordon can't play short in the majors his need to add offense is magnified.

To that end, Gordon is said to be focused on gaining weight (and strength) this offseason. The Star Tribune reports that he's spent significant time at the team's facility in Fort Myers. If it all comes together at the plate, he'll have no trouble providing value at either middle-infield spot. Added to the 40-man roster in November, his options clock will start ticking this season.

11. Stephen Gonsalves, LHP
Age: 24 (DOB: 7/8/94)
2018 Stats (AA/AAA): 120.2 IP, 2.76 ERA, 120/65 K/BB, 1.17 WHIP
ETA: 2019
2018 Ranking: 4

In the plot line of Gonsalves' career, you can pinpoint the moment where his prospect stock absolutely peaked, and then embarked upon an abrupt nosedive. It was August 20th, 2018, when he arrived in the majors following an unconscious stretch at Triple-A and delivered the first in a series of clunkers.

Over his first four MLB starts, every flaw in the left-hander's game was exploited. Batters teed off on his low-velo arsenal, batting .414 and pushing across 16 earned runs in 12 1/3 innings. He constantly struggled to find the zone, with 13 walks and a 57% strike rate. He threw 287 pitches and induced 17 swings and misses (6%).

To his credit, Gonsalves turned things around and finished on a strong note, allowing two earned runs and four hits over 12 1/3 innings in his last three appearances, all following an "opener." During this stretch his strengths were more visible – namely a long-standing ability to limit hard contact – but he still was wild and unable to miss bats, reminding us of the tightrope he walks with limited stuff.

Despite his impeccable numbers throughout the minors, which were as good as ever as he climbed past the top rung, it was always difficult for analysts to envision Gonsalves as an overpowering major-league starter. In August and September, we saw why.

Gordon and Gonsalves in 2018 were both prime examples of weaknesses being exposed at the highest levels. But they're also both under 25, with ample development time ahead of them before options run out. It's important to keep in mind the positive attributes that earned each a spot in the top five a year ago.

At least each one now has a precise idea of what needs improvement. In the words of Henry Ford: "Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently."

Twins Daily 2019 Top 20 Prospects

Honorable Mentions

20. Jose Miranda, 2B/3B
19. Jorge Alcala, RHP
18. LaMonte Wade, OF
17. Zack Littell, RHP
16. Gilberto Celestino, OF

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sweetmusicviola16
Feb 02 2019 07:07 PM

 

I've got to side with poster Tomj14 on this one.

A year ago, there was a credible report that the Pirates were asking Gordon, Gonsalves and Zack Granite for Gerrit Cole. That's when those prospects still had some sparkle. That's what we are talking about. Moreover, regardless of Gordon's development or future here in Minnesota, there is a franchise cornerstone coming up the minors right behind him at the same position.

I heard those same reports/rumors also. Based on what Pittsburgh got from Houston I tend to believe that the reports were pretty credible.

I'd like to just make a couple comments on both Gonsalves and Gordon, admitting I am no expert:

Gonsalves: He was considered a 2nd round pick who slid due to some controversy for covering for his teammates. He has pitched very well at every level he has been at, sometimes struggling initially as many/most prospects do when promoted, and has always made adjustments and proven himself with production. He has risen steadily up the milb system and evaluation lists. But he doesn't not posses that single plus-plus pitch to allow him to overcome or compensate. Even young pitchers who have that ability tend to usually struggle initially unless they are just special, or figure it all out very quickly. Our own Berrios is not the same pitcher he was when first promoted, as an example.

While Gonsalves has been known for good control, generally speaking, he fought said control in 2018 with a rise in BB totals. Even that being a fact, his increase in negative numbers were "sandwiched" in a series of starts while being lights out in stretches. How good he can be remains an open debate. But given a little more time to harness his breaking stuff, and gain experience, I think he has a very good chance to fill one of the spots in the rotation for years to come. I do think, however, that Thorpe may have even better stuff and even more potential.

Gordon: I wasn't a fan of his original drafting. Over time I've come around on his potential. I think he has received undue criticism for things like his music interest. When you spend your off season working out with potential HOFers and refer to them as Mr. Soandso, I see a work ethic and respect. He has shown flashes of what he can do, followed by fades. Ugly fades at times. Let us consider what he has flashed, and those fades, and just examine his 2018 season as a microcosm of his career thus far. His first half of 2018 at Chatanooga was excellent and very worthy of his Rochester promotion. We know ugly the second half was. If he had struggled but still managed to hit .240-.250 in his first taste of AAA would we be judging him so harshly?

Why the second half fades? Does he just take longer to make adjustments than some, and longer than we'd all like? Does his body break down because he's still developing physically and needs more physical maturity? I don't have the answer. I wish I did. We'd all like a top draft choice to be ready NOW! But it doesn't always work that way. Still only 22, athletic, still growing physically, and at the AAA level, I think it's way too early to judge him too harshly.

Let's just assume he needs most of 2019 at Rochester to further develop, in all areas. Maybe he gets a cup of coffee. SS, 2B, really solid utility, let's say he doesn't stick until 2020 at age 24, still gaining experience as a young ML player. His future is still very fluid. I just wouldn't give up on him too quickly until I see what 2019 brings.
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It's possible. It's also possible that they are just very conservative with prospects, like the previous FO, and aren't pursuing trade talks like these. Hard to know. I doubt they "ran the numbers" and thought the offer wasn't any good. It's frustrating to me that they aren't playing in this particular trade market. It's my feeling (without any data) that it's ultimately going to be to their detriment to forego opportunities like those.


Great point!

Just my opinion, of course, but my opinion is based on observations of moves the FO HAS made, as well as comments they have made over their time in charge. My opinion is this, broke down in a different points:

1] Possitively "giddy"...and yes, I used the word "giddy"...to be placed in charge of an organization that had SO MUCH TALENT sitting at the ML level, with so much potential to unlock, and some decent milb talent available, it also recognized development and changes needed to be made from the top down, or bottom up, depending on how you look at it. Hence changes in the back office, scouting, milb staff, and now the ML staff.

2] You mention trade opportunities, as have others, and I agree. And while we can lament the trades of both Escobar and Pressly, there was a deliberate attempt to build the milb funnel with talent. Talent for depth and competition, but also maybe for future trades? The FO has made various veiled comments about augmenting the "core" in the future. We can debate at length about FA opportunity, available payroll to do so, sustainability for competition,etc. But are they looking for the ability to trade now, or soon, from positions of depth and strength? I sure hope So!

Despite opinions of ownership being cheap, this new FO has done some things we've never seen before, or rarely seen before. No matter how it turned out, while still trying to build a new system/structure, they made aggressive moves for 2018 to build off of the 2017 season. They also ate contract money to gain prospects. They even traded away some "free money" in the form of international dollars to add prospects.

Again, the debate about ownership being cheap. We can debate, and I will argue WITH most anyone they could have, and should have, done even more than they did! But instead of just "pocketing" all the Mauer and Santana and 1yr contract money, they HAVE forked out some payroll on some interesting options.

But back to the original idea:

Top down or down up, the organization is being re-built. I don't believe, like TR, this new FO is being conservative with moves or with prospects. In fact, I think they are being aggressive with their moves, even though I don't like all the moves they are making. (Perez makes me shudder still). I think they are being very deliberate in building the system, from management to coaching to the talent depth. I don't like the whole "Sano and Buxton or else" philosophy. But I kind of get it. I think they are trying to build the entire system. And I feel the trade aspect will come around mid season if the guys on hand just perform anything close to expected.
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So many people in this thread I want to quote.DocBauer, I view you as a solid sage on each thread that emits from TD.I'm glad someone brought up the Gerritt Cole proposition.I remember it as, Gordon, Tyler Jay, and Gonsalves.Should've, could've, and stop regretting.Geez he was good this year though...

Gonsalves haters, Stephen Gonsalves has eventually owned every level he's been at.I stress eventually.He doesn't ever come up and "wow" everyone.He is a product of his work ethic.He has figured out every level w/below stunning "stuff".I, for one, am excited for what Gonsalves has yet to show.He'll figure it out.

 

Gordon is 22.I'm over his "prospectusness".As is many of people w/any AAA player, unless they tear it up right away.Now it's just wait and see.Let's give this kid a chance.Dozier was the most recent guy to move from SS to 2B.That didn't happen overnight, but it worked out pretty well.

 

Jeffers comes off as more self-confident guy than Rortvedt.Rightfully so, if you like that type.I really like Rortvedt, after much criticism of his bat, but I like him as I like Drew Butera.Jeffers has the potential to be an A.J. Pierzynski, not as likeable, but likeable because he produces.

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drivlikejehu
Feb 03 2019 03:21 AM

The Pirates got an MLB starting pitcher, MLB starting 3rd baseman, MLB reliever, and decent prospect for Cole. The alleged Twins price didn't compare to that at all, which really makes it hard to believe. 

 

In general, most posters dramatically, comically overrate the trade value of Twins prospects. The whole 'why don't the Twins trade away X, Y, Z for awesome MLB players' is an exercise totally divorced from reality. The players that fans want are not available in exchange for B-level prospects. Other MLB teams are not interested in giving away MLB assets for the likes of Brent Rooker. 

 

It is very rare to have a "surplus" of high-level prospects . . . certainly a trade would make sense in that scenario, but I can't think of a single time it applied to the Twins, and it doesn't now either. 

The Pirates got an MLB starting pitcher, MLB starting 3rd baseman, MLB reliever, and decent prospect for Cole. The alleged Twins price didn't compare to that at all, which really makes it hard to believe.

In general, most posters dramatically, comically overrate the trade value of Twins prospects. The whole 'why don't the Twins trade away X, Y, Z for awesome MLB players' is an exercise totally divorced from reality. The players that fans want are not available in exchange for B-level prospects. Other MLB teams are not interested in giving away MLB assets for the likes of Brent Rooker.

It is very rare to have a "surplus" of high-level prospects . . . certainly a trade would make sense in that scenario, but I can't think of a single time it applied to the Twins, and it doesn't now either.


Not one time in history it was appropriate to trade prospects for MLB players? Or did I not read that right?
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drivlikejehu
Feb 04 2019 09:24 AM

 

Not one time in history it was appropriate to trade prospects for MLB players? Or did I not read that right?

 

That is not what I meant at all. Trading prospects for MLB players frequently makes sense. But a lot of posters here articulate highly unrealistic strategies and scenarios; the main conceit being that, if the Twins were just smarter, they could convert low-value minor leaguers into quality major leaguers. 

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Feb 04 2019 10:47 AM

 

That is not what I meant at all. Trading prospects for MLB players frequently makes sense. But a lot of posters here articulate highly unrealistic strategies and scenarios; the main conceit being that, if the Twins were just smarter, they could convert low-value minor leaguers into quality major leaguers. 

In the Gerrit Cole example, the prospects mentioned were not "low-value" a year ago, and Pittsburgh was looking to shed salary. This was a specific situation.

 

It looks lopsided to you in hindsight, but a year ago, it looked a little more equal.

 

To your statement that the Twins fan's "main conceit ... is that if the Twins were just smarter, they could convert low-value minor leaguers into quality major leaguers" -- that is exactly what they did with Palacios and Odorizzi.

 

 

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In the Gerrit Cole example, the prospects mentioned were not "low-value" a year ago, and Pittsburgh was looking to shed salary. This was a specific situation.

I think they were lower value than the Astros guys a year ago, sure. The Astros gave up 3 guys who were very much MLB ready, plus another guy. Musgrove was a roughly league average MLB SP in 2018 when healthy (19 starts); Moran could be viewed as roughly average MLB regular too, depending on how your view his defense (metrics didn't like it). I'm not sure if Gordon or Gonsalves are even MLB ready at that level today, a year later. And I don't think Pittsburgh was trying to rebuild with this trade, but rather reload.

 

There's more to value than MLB readiness, of course, but it's not like Gonsalves and Gordon had notably higher ceilings than Musgrove and Moran either, even if the Pirates were thinking rebuild at the time.

 

To your statement that the Twins fan's "main conceit ... is that if the Twins were just smarter, they could convert low-value minor leaguers into quality major leaguers" -- that is exactly what they did with Palacios and Odorizzi.

There's a bit of a quality/upside difference between Odorizzi and Cole. By fWAR, remember Cole hit 5.5 fWAR in 2015 and was considered one of the best aces in the game; Odorizzi has yet to eclipse 3 fWAR in a season. Cole had twice topped 200 IP in a season too, even without the DH, compared to Odorizzi topping out at 187, his only season eclipsing 170.

 

I don't think anyone would argue the Twins can't emulate the Odorizzi trade from time to time -- TR's acquisition of Luis Castillo fit that mold, Bill Smith basically did it when he acquired Pavano, Rauch, and Cabrera, etc.

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diehardtwinsfan
Feb 04 2019 02:56 PM

 

Yes. I like Gonsalves and Gordon. I think very highly of Rortvedt and Severino. But I'm sick of this organizational philosophy of sitting on these prospects until their fire has been completely snuffed out. 

 

While I agree in philosophy, it requires a knowledge of the future to execute as well as a practical need (when Gonsalves and Gordon were at their peak, there was no amount of MLB quality that this team could get that would have helped them). Prospects don't develop the same, and even the best orgs make mistakes. There's a reason that baseball as a whole is moving in the direction of hoarding prospects. 

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Hosken Bombo Disco
Feb 04 2019 04:18 PM

 

I think they were lower value than the Astros guys a year ago, sure. The Astros gave up 3 guys who were very much MLB ready, plus another guy. Musgrove was a roughly league average MLB SP in 2018 when healthy (19 starts); Moran could be viewed as roughly average MLB regular too, depending on how your view his defense (metrics didn't like it). I'm not sure if Gordon or Gonsalves are even MLB ready at that level today, a year later. And I don't think Pittsburgh was trying to rebuild with this trade, but rather reload.

 

There's more to value than MLB readiness, of course, but it's not like Gonsalves and Gordon had notably higher ceilings than Musgrove and Moran either, even if the Pirates were thinking rebuild at the time.

I'm not disagreeing with you or the other poster that Pittsburgh got a better (ahem, significantly better) return from Houston than whatever Minnesota was thought to be offering or willing to offer. The conversation for Cole never really took off here, not sure why not, since he was obviously available.

 

 

I'd like to see the Twins play in this trade market, and frankly I'm surprised they haven't yet. Kirilloff, Larnach, Rooker, probably each of them could headline a trade for major league talent. The chances of all three making it are slim. 

 

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Clearly front offices disagree. It's almost impossible to get good prospects in trade right now. If anything, as a group, they are currently over valued, and smart teams should be trading therm for proven players.


I am not sure what you mean here. The Twins made a bunch trades at the trade deadline, most were prospects, are none good in your view? If you mean great prospects, what about the prospects the White Sox obtained last year? Or do you mean right now the winter of 2019?

I'm not disagreeing with you or the other poster that Pittsburgh got a better (ahem, significantly better) return from Houston than whatever Minnesota was thought to be offering or willing to offer. The conversation for Cole never really took off here, not sure why not, since he was obviously available.
 
 
I'd like to see the Twins play in this trade market, and frankly I'm surprised they haven't yet. Kirilloff, Larnach, Rooker, probably each of them could headline a trade for major league talent. The chances of all three making it are slim.


Those are right now at least, significantly different prospects, with significantly different perceived ceilings. One is considered by many as one of the top 20 best prospects in all of baseball. Larnach has only played a little at A ball, I am sure many think highly of him, but he is not now on or probably even close to any top 100 lists. Rooker isn't likely to headline any trade. With low defensive value and questionable on base skills, he will have to show more this year to headline any trade.

Kiriloff could probably headline a trade, but you better get somebody pretty darn good and for more than 2 years.
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Hosken Bombo Disco
Feb 04 2019 05:12 PM

 

Those are right now at least, significantly different prospects, with significantly different perceived ceilings. One is considered by many as one of the top 20 best prospects in all of baseball. Larnach has only played a little at A ball, I am sure many think highly of him, but he is not now on or probably even close to any top 100 lists. Rooker isn't likely to headline any trade. With low defensive value and questionable on base skills, he will have to show more this year to headline any trade.

Kiriloff could probably headline a trade, but you better get somebody pretty darn good and for more than 2 years.

That seems to be the consensus on those guys. Opinions will vary and change over time. 

 

I am not sure what you mean here. The Twins made a bunch trades at the trade deadline, most were prospects, are none good in your view? If you mean great prospects, what about the prospects the White Sox obtained last year? Or do you mean right now the winter of 2019?

 

None are Kiriloff, Lewis, Larnarch gop 10-50 types, not even close.

 

It is rare to get great prospects in trades right now. There just aren't that many trades occurring, as teams horde prospects (this isn't just a random opinion, there have been articles written about it).

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Those are right now at least, significantly different prospects, with significantly different perceived ceilings. One is considered by many as one of the top 20 best prospects in all of baseball. Larnach has only played a little at A ball, I am sure many think highly of him, but he is not now on or probably even close to any top 100 lists. Rooker isn't likely to headline any trade. With low defensive value and questionable on base skills, he will have to show more this year to headline any trade.

Kiriloff could probably headline a trade, but you better get somebody pretty darn good and for more than 2 years.

 

Lanarch is 92 on Fangraphs board, FWIW.

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So many people in this thread I want to quote.DocBauer, I view you as a solid sage on each thread that emits from TD.I'm glad someone brought up the Gerritt Cole proposition.I remember it as, Gordon, Tyler Jay, and Gonsalves.Should've, could've, and stop regretting.Geez he was good this year though...
Gonsalves haters, Stephen Gonsalves has eventually owned every level he's been at.I stress eventually.He doesn't ever come up and "wow" everyone.He is a product of his work ethic.He has figured out every level w/below stunning "stuff".I, for one, am excited for what Gonsalves has yet to show.He'll figure it out.
 
Gordon is 22.I'm over his "prospectusness".As is many of people w/any AAA player, unless they tear it up right away.Now it's just wait and see.Let's give this kid a chance.Dozier was the most recent guy to move from SS to 2B.That didn't happen overnight, but it worked out pretty well.
 
Jeffers comes off as more self-confident guy than Rortvedt.Rightfully so, if you like that type.I really like Rortvedt, after much criticism of his bat, but I like him as I like Drew Butera.Jeffers has the potential to be an A.J. Pierzynski, not as likeable, but likeable because he produces.


Thank you for the ego boost Jrod! Lol (pointless but interesting, one of my best friends is named Jarrod and we call him J-rod). But seriously, thank you for the compliment! No ego on my end, but if you are willing so gracious publicly, then I can graciously thank you publicly as well. Quick...how do I post a blush icon? LOL

On a serious note, I always try to maintain an even balance when it comes to the Twins, despite being a fervent fan since I was 5yo courtesy of my father. I've always believed it's OK to being an optimist, but jts also OK to call out your team as well.

I liked your comment about Gonsalves to "haters" and his eventual "owning" each level be has been at. I have often commented on this, and expressed candidly I expected him to struggle initially. The move to the ML is seldom easy. This kid is smart and has ALWAYS learned to adapt. I take his last couple of appearances with a grain of salt due to being the primary, and not the actual game starter. But it's also an indication, IMO, of a young rookie settling in.

I also agree on Gordon, but again, IMO, if kept, he might fit best as a utility player who does a lot of things well. And despite disappointment for a 1st round pick, there is real value in that. I am a HUGE believer in Polanco as well as Lewis. In the next season or so, I can easily see those two as a tremendous keystones combo. At the end of the day, what's wrong with Gordon being a really nice role piece for a ML roster?

I find your comments about Rortvedt vs Jeffers interesting. What have you seen or heard that makes you feel Jeffers is more confident? Really interested in your AJ comparison to Jeffers.

Despite being so young I hate to make comparisons, but I could easily see Rortvedt as a better hitting and more powerful version of Butera. Jeffers is obviously older, though their trek through the system may parallel, as Seth alluded to. Jeffers, probably, is the better bat with even more power. Reports are the Twins like him behind the plate and like his framing. This could be a very interesting "battle" over the next couple of years!

 

I also agree on Gordon, but again, IMO, if kept, he might fit best as a utility player who does a lot of things well. And despite disappointment for a 1st round pick, there is real value in that. I am a HUGE believer in Polanco as well as Lewis. In the next season or so, I can easily see those two as a tremendous keystones combo. At the end of the day, what's wrong with Gordon being a really nice role piece for a ML roster?

I find your comments about Rortvedt vs Jeffers interesting. What have you seen or heard that makes you feel Jeffers is more confident? Really interested in your AJ comparison to Jeffers.

Despite being so young I hate to make comparisons, but I could easily see Rortvedt as a better hitting and more powerful version of Butera. Jeffers is obviously older, though their trek through the system may parallel, as Seth alluded to. Jeffers, probably, is the better bat with even more power. Reports are the Twins like him behind the plate and like his framing. This could be a very interesting "battle" over the next couple of years!

 

I actually do agree with you on possibly trading Gordon.I just thought that ship had sailed due to his AAA slump.So I figured we'd just see what he has to prove now.

 

I definitely agree on Polanco.He and Lewis up the middle could be fantastic.They are both driven gamers.Lewis is a bit more of an extrovert, but both are genuinely kind people as well that I'd love my children to admire (aside from Polanco's PED mistake).

 

As for Rortvedt, I would retract a bit and agree that he will hit better than Butera.Rortvedt is a General on the field as well.I just get frustrated that a .300 catcher is such a diamond in the rough.Hence, my affinity for Jeffers.When I mentioned Jeffers and the AJ comparison, I only say it because of AJ's confidence. Word has it that Jeffers came into CR feeling he should've been there earlier, being very confident of his 2nd round draft position (even though he was projected as a 5th rounder), and again bringing up that he was on the greater side of .400 in E-Town.All of which, I can't argue with, just as I couldn't argue with AJ's confidence.I can attest however, that Jeffers was quite genuine with our younger one this past summer.He gave him a game ball, and gladly signed it after the game (he didn't have a great game).Jeffers definitely doesn't talk as much trash during a game as AJ would either.

 

Regardless, the more TD articles being posted, the more excited I get for this season.I'm excited to read about Enlow at the #9 spot.

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I know its not politic on this site to praise the front office, but what was the Twins' minor league talent ranking say four years ago? After just a few years, the Honorable Mentions List would be the envy (as a top 10) of more than a handful of Major League Teams. I especially like how the bare cupboard at catcher is now well stocked.

It is true they haven't fielded a 90-game winner in Target Field, but the smart way for a mid-market team to build is from the bottom up.
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birdwatcher
Feb 06 2019 06:57 AM

 

In the Gerrit Cole example, the prospects mentioned were not "low-value" a year ago, and Pittsburgh was looking to shed salary. This was a specific situation.

 

It looks lopsided to you in hindsight, but a year ago, it looked a little more equal.

 

To your statement that the Twins fan's "main conceit ... is that if the Twins were just smarter, they could convert low-value minor leaguers into quality major leaguers" -- that is exactly what they did with Palacios and Odorizzi.

 

 

There's a valid middle ground in this question. We see plenty of examples of what drivlkejehu is trying to point out, which is unrealistic notions about the kind of MLB talent we could get in return for our prospects.

 

I agree that the Pittsburgh trade may not be a great gauge. Colin Moran as the centerpiece of that trade wasn't exactly a sign that teams are overpaying for MLB talent, as Feliz and Musgrove were uninspiring add-ons. In other words, I think an argument could be made that Cole got acquired on the cheap. 

 

But that doesn't mean the Twins somehow passed on an opportunity. We just don't know.

 

 


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