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Elizabethton Twins Roster Preview

Tonight, the Elizabethton Twins will open up their 2016 season on the road. Below you can find the 2016 Elizabethton Twins Opening Day roster (along with a few names who will be there shortly).

This team has some older players, college guys drafted this year or last, but there are some very intriguing younger players who are certainly worth watching.

Elizabethton is a great little town for minor leaguers to make their professional debut. Many of these players, particularly those drafted this month, have likely never been real far from home, had to pay their own bills, etc. Others have been in Ft. Myers for the last three months, eagerly anticipating getting to Tennessee (if not Iowa) to start playing games where box scores show up online!

Manager Ray Smith has been on the coaching staff in Elizabethton for 30 seasons now. This is his 22nd season as manager. His hitting coach, another former big leaguer, Jeff Reed will be in that role for the 14th straight year. This year, Luis Ramirez is the team’s pitching coach. It is his second season in that role after spending 2014 in that same role in the GCL and 2013 in the Venezuelan Baseball Academy.
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Here is a very brief look at the players on the 2016 Elizabethton Twins Opening Day roster (plus a couple of others who could soon be there). Please feel free to ask questions on these players and we’ll try to answer them. With regard to the 2016 draft picks, hopefully Jeremy Nygaard can help out with some answers too. Note also that this roster is subject to change for a variety of reasons, particularly in the next few days as more players sign, etc.

HITTERS

Catchers: Bryant Hayman (23), Mitchell Kranson (22), Robert Molina (19)

Molina is the young guy in the group. At just 19 through the season, he is one of the younger players on the roster. He is listed as a catcher, but he could play some first base as well. Kranson was the ninth-round pick this year. He is the old-school prototype for a catcher, listed at 5-9 and 210 pounds. He also played around the field a bit, mainly at third base. Hayman started the year at Cedar Rapids but went back to EST. He was a non-drafted free agent a year ago.

Infielders: Travis Blankenhorn (19), Lewin Diaz (19), Caleb Hamilton (21), Andre Jernigan (22), Amaurys Minier (20), Ariel Montesino (20).

Blankenhorn was the team’s third-round pick last year. He ended his season in Elizabethton. He played mostly third base last year. He spent the majority of his EST time at second base. Lewin Diaz, the bulky first baseman (inexplicably listed at 180 pounds on the roster, he’s actually about 250 pounds) can provide some power. He got into a handful of games in E-Town a year ago. He didn’t get many hits, but four of them were home runs. Hamilton and Jernigan are college guys drafted just this month and should get a lot of time in the middle of the infield. Minier is a guy who signed a big bonus four years ago, and it is time for him to stay healthy and start producing the kind of offense that many hoped from him. Montesino started last year in E-Town, but went back to the GCL because of the emergence of Jermaine Palacios. He’ll be back with the Twins this year. Note also that Trey Cabbage will likely be joining the E-Twins in a couple of weeks. He has a back injury - different than last year - and should be manning third base for this team soon. Also note, Brandon Lopez who just finished his college career in the College World Series, will also be a middle infielder on this roster when he gets signed and is ready.

Outfielders: Matt Albanese (20), Shane Carrier (20), Christian Cavaness (22), Jaylin Davis (21), Roberto Gonzalez (21), Alex Kirilloff (18), Hank Morrison (22), Casey Scoggins (22)

Albanese was drafted this month and will start the year on the DL. Carrier, Morrison and Scoggins are all 2016 draft picks who will be making their pro debuts in Elizabethton. Likewise, I have included first-round pick Alex Kirilloff on this roster as we have heard this is where he is likely to start his pro career. Of course, he is in the Twin Cities as we speak, likely about to sign his professional contract. Cavaness began the season as the fourth outfielder in Cedar Rapids but was sent back to Extended. Jaylin Davis is one to watch. He was drafted by the Twins in 2015 but was hurt. He has tremendous power and should be a fixture in the middle of this lineup. Likewise, Roberto Gonzalez spent two years in the GCL after being drafted in the 15th round in 2014 out of high school in Orlando. He also has incredible power. He just needs to stay healthy and make more contact.

PITCHERS

Starters: Jose Martinez (19), Ryan Mason (21), Sean Poppen (22), Alex Robinson (21), Alex Schick (21)

Jose Martinez pitched in the Gulf Coast League last year, going 1-5 with a 4.31 ERA. Alex Robinson was the team’s fifth round pick just last year out of Maryland. He’s a college reliever they believe has the stuff to be a starter, so he is getting that opportunity. Alex Schik (6th) and Ryan Mason (13th) were both drafted out of Cal-Berkeley this month. Sean Poppen was the team’s 19th-round pick this year out of Harvard.


Relievers: Tyler Beardsley (22), Domenick Carlini (22), Max Cordy (23), Colton Davis (22), Griffin Jax (21), Hector Lujan (21), Johan Quezada (21), Andrew Vasquez (22)

Hector Lujan got into one game for the Miracle. He and Vasquez pitched together and were both drafted last June out of Westmont College in California. Cordy was the Twins 40th-round pick out of UC-Davis just last year. Johan Quezada is the 6-8, hard-throwing right-hander who took over as the GCL close last year. He sits 96-100 mph. Since signing with the Twins in 2012, he has added about eight inches in height and 40 pounds to go with about 10 mph on his fastball. Beardsley (16th), Carlini (21st), and Davis (25th) were all drafted in 2016. So was Griffin Jax, their third- round pick out of the Air Force Academy. He is expected to be able to pitch for a couple of weeks at some point during the season.


Of course, this roster is subject to change as guys in the GCL start performing, or as more 2016 draft picks decide to sign. It has to be challenging for the coaches and for the minor league coordinator to keep things straight for the next week or so with these rosters.
On Friday afternoon, the GCL Twins will play their first game. We’ll provide a roster preview for them this evening.


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clutterheart
Jun 23 2016 09:29 AM

Very surprised that Cabbage isn't on this roster (and surprised Blankenhorn is on this roster) In 2015 they drafted 5 of the top 150 players. 1 year later, only 1 is above Rookie level ball.

 

Just glancing around guys who were picked around them, they look behind their peers.  

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Once again....slow playing at the low levels, I don't get it. Why do they keep doing this?

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"Note also that Trey Cabbage will likely be joining the E-Twins in a couple of weeks. He has a back injury - different than last year - and should be manning third base for this team soon."

 

Very surprised that Cabbage isn't on this roster (and surprised Blankenhorn is on this roster) In 2015 they drafted 5 of the top 150 players. 1 year later, only 1 is above Rookie level ball.

 

Just glancing around guys who were picked around them, they look behind their peers.  

 

Just look at all the college guys from last year's draft. Why they are still in rookie ball at 22, 23 is beyond me.  

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ashburyjohn
Jun 23 2016 09:50 AM

Tonight, the Elizabethton Twins will open up their 2016 season on the road. Below you can find the 2016 Elizabethton Twins Opening Day roster (along with a few names that will be there shortly).

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ashburyjohn
Jun 23 2016 10:15 AM

Once again....slow playing at the low levels, I don't get it. Why do they keep doing this?

 

Just look at all the college guys from last year's draft. Why they are still in rookie ball at 22, 23 is beyond me.  

 
I took a quick glance through the 22-23 year olds on the Etown roster, and I'm not sure what problem either of you is getting at. Most of them are this year's draftees. A couple of guys look like didn't shine last year, and are getting a second year before being flushed out of the system. Did I miss a stud prospect who is being slow-played, on this roster?

 

Among this year's draftees, Kiriloff's a high schooler, and the next few guys haven't signed yet - Griffin Jax is the only one I see as at all debatable, and if a college junior chosen at #93 is going to pitch only a few innings this year (as stated above) it seems hard to quibble about which league level he gets his feet wet in. Etown is designed to acclimate players to the every day schedule of pro ball, and with only a short season left to go in any league level I think it's just fine.

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Very surprised that Cabbage isn't on this roster (and surprised Blankenhorn is on this roster) In 2015 they drafted 5 of the top 150 players. 1 year later, only 1 is above Rookie level ball.

 

Just glancing around guys who were picked around them, they look behind their peers.  

 

Cabbage is on the DL (as mentioned in the article)... he's got a back issue and will likely fly up in a week or so, rather than sit on a bus for 13 hours.

 

Blankenhorn struggled this spring and he was learning second base (with Cabbage playing mostly at third). 

 

Once again....slow playing at the low levels, I don't get it. Why do they keep doing this?

 

Like who?

 

I 100% agree with college guys spending at least some time in E-Town. I like that strategy. The high-upside guys move to CR, like Tom Hackimer, their 4th or 5th round pick this year. The rest of the college guys on this list were drafted in later rounds, and they were drafted in later rounds because they have something, but need more development. 

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Just look at all the college guys from last year's draft. Why they are still in rookie ball at 22, 23 is beyond me.  

 

Which guys at Cedar Rapids should be released... or which guys at Ft. Myers? They're not all as advanced and have more to learn... 

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diehardtwinsfan
Jun 23 2016 10:44 AM

 

Once again....slow playing at the low levels, I don't get it. Why do they keep doing this?

 

Exactly what is this based on?No one on this roster is repeating after destroying Etown before.If anything, I'm a bit surprised they started Kirilloff this high.Usually those guys go to the GCL.

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Among this year's draftees, Kiriloff's a high schooler, and the next few guys haven't signed yet - Griffin Jax is the only one I see as at all debatable, and if a college junior chosen at #93 is going to pitch only a few innings this year (as stated above) it seems hard to quibble about which league level he gets his feet wet in. Etown is designed to acclimate players to the every day schedule of pro ball, and with only a short season left to go in any league level I think it's just fine.

 

Remember also that Jax has some requirements due to being in the Air Force. Was told this morning that they believe he should be able to pitch for a couple of weeks during this season, not sure when though. Better to have him in the rookie leagues, where they have much larger rosters, than in a full season roster.

The only surprise for me is Blankenhorn, only because he spent some time there last year. But as I wrote, he struggled through EST quite a bit and was switching positions.

 

Also, remember that Blankenhorn and Cabbage were 3rd and 4th round picks respectively, not first rounders. 

 

First rounders out of highs school, like Kirilloff and Gordon (Two years ago), start at ETown. 2nd rounders this year, like Rortvedt, Miranda and Baddoo are in the GCL. If they do anything close to what Palacios did in the GCL last year, they'll move them up.

Well, then I guess I'm wrong.....I was mostly looking at Cabbage and Blakenthorn, who everyone raved about last year. 

 

I have no issue with a new draftee starting there, most of the time. 

 

I do see 3 or more college guys that were NOT drafted this year on the roster......

 

We can disagree on this all we want, but it is not a position I hold uniquely that the Twins start their players out at lower levels than other teams, and keep them at lower levels longer than other teams. KLAW holds that opinion about them, for example.

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Which guys at Cedar Rapids should be released... or which guys at Ft. Myers? They're not all as advanced and have more to learn... 

 

Well, then I guess I'm wrong.....I was mostly looking at Cabbage and Blakenthorn, who everyone raved about last year. 

 

I have no issue with a new draftee starting there, most of the time. 

 

I do see 3 or more college guys that were NOT drafted this year on the roster......

 

We can disagree on this all we want, but it is not a position I hold uniquely that the Twins start their players out at lower levels than other teams, and keep them at lower levels longer than other teams. KLAW holds that opinion about them, for example.

 

The nice thing is, we can look up age stats. BBref has weighted pitcher/hitter ages for every team in the minors:

 

CR Weighted Hitter Age  MDWL Median  CR Weighted Pitcher Age   MDWL Median

 

2015 21.7  21.45  22.6  Oldest 21.8

2016 21.6  21.65  23.0  Oldest 21.65

 

 

ET Weighted Hitter Age  APPY Median  ET Weighted Pitcher Age Appy Median

 

2015 20.7  20.55 21.6 Oldest 20.55

 

The Twins had the oldest pitchers in both the Midwest League and Appy League in 2015 and again in the Midwest League this year. In fact the Twins' pitchers were 0.4 years older than the #2 team in the Appy league last year and 0.3 and 0.5 years older than the #2 team in 2015 and 2016, respectively in the Midwest league last year. The E-Town Twins were also the oldest pitchers AND hitters in 2014. Interesting to note, that the Cards, Rays, and Astros all have affiliates in the Midwest and Apply leagues. They (with a few exceptions), were in the youngest half of each the 6 lists and never in the oldest 20%. 

 

Do you release some players? Well if its clear they can't master A ball well enough to make A+, then why keep them around? Or, why not add an additional affiliate? The Twins are tied for the fewest number minor league affiliates, I don't think there is any reason why we couldn't add a short season A ball team. 

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The nice thing is, we can look up age stats. BBref has weighted pitcher/hitter ages for every team in the minors:

 

CR Weighted Hitter Age  MDWL Median  CR Weighted Pitcher Age   MDWL Median

 

2015 21.7  21.45  22.6  Oldest 21.8

2016 21.6  21.65  23.0  Oldest 21.65

 

 

ET Weighted Hitter Age  APPY Median  ET Weighted Pitcher Age Appy Median

 

2015 20.7  20.55 21.6 Oldest 20.55

 

The Twins had the oldest pitchers in both the Midwest League and Appy League in 2015 and again in the Midwest League this year. In fact the Twins' pitchers were 0.4 years older than the #2 team in the Appy league last year and 0.3 and 0.5 years older than the #2 team in 2015 and 2016, respectively in the Midwest league last year. The E-Town Twins were also the oldest pitchers AND hitters in 2014. Interesting to note, that the Cards, Rays, and Astros all have affiliates in the Midwest and Apply leagues. They (with a few exceptions), were in the youngest half of each the 6 lists and never in the oldest 20%. 

 

Do you release some players? Well if its clear they can't master A ball well enough to make A+, then why keep them around? Or, why not add an additional affiliate? The Twins are tied for the fewest number minor league affiliates, I don't think there is any reason why we couldn't add a short season A ball team. 

 

Ugh, formatting. 

 

Also, there is no reason that the guys that played college ball in the PAC12 and the ACC, should be starting their careers in the Appy League, whether or not they were to picks- it has inferior competition to the top tier of college conferences. 

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The nice thing is, we can look up age stats. BBref has weighted pitcher/hitter ages for every team in the minors:

 

CR Weighted Hitter Age  MDWL Median  CR Weighted Pitcher Age   MDWL Median

 

2015 21.7  21.45  22.6  Oldest 21.8

2016 21.6  21.65  23.0  Oldest 21.65

 

 

ET Weighted Hitter Age  APPY Median  ET Weighted Pitcher Age Appy Median

 

2015 20.7  20.55 21.6 Oldest 20.55

 

The Twins had the oldest pitchers in both the Midwest League and Appy League in 2015 and again in the Midwest League this year. In fact the Twins' pitchers were 0.4 years older than the #2 team in the Appy league last year and 0.3 and 0.5 years older than the #2 team in 2015 and 2016, respectively in the Midwest league last year. The E-Town Twins were also the oldest pitchers AND hitters in 2014. Interesting to note, that the Cards, Rays, and Astros all have affiliates in the Midwest and Apply leagues. They (with a few exceptions), were in the youngest half of each the 6 lists and never in the oldest 20%. 

 

Do you release some players? Well if its clear they can't master A ball well enough to make A+, then why keep them around? Or, why not add an additional affiliate? The Twins are tied for the fewest number minor league affiliates, I don't think there is any reason why we couldn't add a short season A ball team. 

 

These are interesting numbers, but they just don't do anything for me.

 

The guys that are prospects are well on the younger side of that. Look at the Ft. Myers starting pitchers early in the season, WAY below league average. Gonsalves and Stewart at 22 and in AA. Jorge will likely join them soon. Same with Jay. Keaton Steele is older at 24, but he's not a prospect in the same way.

 

Kirilloff will be 18 in a league where the average is 21. So was Gordon. Cabbage will be 19 and Blankenhorn 20 this year there. 

 

Yup, there are some older players. Generally the Twins select a lot of college players and some seniors in the 6-10th rounds for draft payroll reasons. (like other teams) There are always guys in those levels who are there for various reasons such as drafted as a being a senior sign or was a late-round college pitcher. 

 

Look at Hildenberger. He was a 5th year senior drafted in the 20th round about. He was 23 in the GCL... and now he's 25 and dominating in AA. Was he a bad pick? Did it hurt for him to start in the GCL?

 

How about Mitch Garver? He was a senior sign who went to E-Town, then spent a full year in Cedar Rapids, working on his defense (While hitting well). Last year he was in Ft. Myers. Now, he's 25 in AA, playing pretty well and in line to probably be a solid backup in the big leagues at 26. I don't mind that route. Would pushing him faster helped him develop? I would say no. 

 

But again... guys like Buxton, Kepler, Sano, Berrios... and guys like Arcia and Mauer in years past... they aren't slow with them. It's got to be case-by-case. 

 

So back to the point... I like looking at age to level of competition for prospect rankings, of course... But I look at the individuals too. 

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These are interesting numbers, but they just don't do anything for me.

 

The guys that are prospects are well on the younger side of that. Look at the Ft. Myers starting pitchers early in the season, WAY below league average. Gonsalves and Stewart at 22 and in AA. Jorge will likely join them soon. Same with Jay. Keaton Steele is older at 24, but he's not a prospect in the same way.

 

Kirilloff will be 18 in a league where the average is 21. So was Gordon. Cabbage will be 19 and Blankenhorn 20 this year there. 

 

Yup, there are some older players. Generally the Twins select a lot of college players and some seniors in the 6-10th rounds for draft payroll reasons. (like other teams) There are always guys in those levels who are there for various reasons such as drafted as a being a senior sign or was a late-round college pitcher. 

 

Look at Hildenberger. He was a 5th year senior drafted in the 20th round about. He was 23 in the GCL... and now he's 25 and dominating in AA. Was he a bad pick? Did it hurt for him to start in the GCL?

 

How about Mitch Garver? He was a senior sign who went to E-Town, then spent a full year in Cedar Rapids, working on his defense (While hitting well). Last year he was in Ft. Myers. Now, he's 25 in AA, playing pretty well and in line to probably be a solid backup in the big leagues at 26. I don't mind that route. Would pushing him faster helped him develop? I would say no. 

 

But again... guys like Buxton, Kepler, Sano, Berrios... and guys like Arcia and Mauer in years past... they aren't slow with them. It's got to be case-by-case. 

 

So back to the point... I like looking at age to level of competition for prospect rankings, of course... But I look at the individuals too. 

 

All the other orgs don't have all prospects, either. And they draft college seniors too. It's not a one time thing where they just happen end up with the oldest players in a particular year. It's year after, year that they have the oldest players in the Appy league, and have been among the leaders in the Midwest League too (the exception being 2012 and 2013, respectively because of the prospects). It's a trend. It's clear that that the Twins do things differently than the rest of baseball when it comes to development and at this point it should be painfully obvious that it is not working. 

If all prospects were equal the age thing would matter.The movement upwards of the better prospects is important. The ceiling of the remainder is what is important. Of the latter group as individuals progress towards that ceiling is more important than age. It would be likely that as they age a team adjusts the estimate of the ceiling and acts accordingly.

 

If all prospects were equal the age thing would matter.The movement upwards of the better prospects is important. The ceiling of the remainder is what is important. Of the latter group as individuals progress towards that ceiling is more important than age. It would be likely that as they age a team adjusts the estimate of the ceiling and acts accordingly.

 

They why is it a trend every year, if it is about individuals and not process?

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I've just never been too concerned about the age vs league average thing. The difference is generally a few months, not several years. Yes, they could add a short season Class A team, but that just means bringing in an additional 30-40 players into the organization each year and I don't see quantity being an issue. It's about quality.

 

From where I sit, the guys who have the best chance of making significant contributions at the MLB level don't generally get held back to an extreme. They are put into levels that will challenge them and when they need to be moved up, they are. Maybe not always as quickly as I would, but it happens within a few weeks.

 

I like that the Twins emphasize the importance of winning at every level and if having an average age a few months higher than league average comes with it, I'm fine with that. As others have said, most of the older-age guys on those rosters are guys coming out of college or buying lottery tickets on minor league free agent signings to fill roster spots.

 

I want guys who do survive the meat grinder to make it to the Twins to have experienced not only personal success, but team success.

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I've just never been too concerned about the age vs league average thing. The difference is generally a few months, not several years. Yes, they could add a short season Class A team, but that just means bringing in an additional 30-40 players into the organization each year and I don't see quantity being an issue. It's about quality.

 

From where I sit, the guys who have the best chance of making significant contributions at the MLB level don't generally get held back to an extreme. They are put into levels that will challenge them and when they need to be moved up, they are. Maybe not always as quickly as I would, but it happens within a few weeks.

 

I like that the Twins emphasize the importance of winning at every level and if having an average age a few months higher than league average comes with it, I'm fine with that. As others have said, most of the older-age guys on those rosters are guys coming out of college or buying lottery tickets on minor league free agent signings to fill roster spots.

 

I want guys who do survive the meat grinder to make it to the Twins to have experienced not only personal success, but team success.

 

The main problem is, we end up with a 40 man roster crunch, when the Twins are forced to protect players that haven't played much in the upper minors, thus having to use up options before they reach the majors, so they end up rushing them to the majors, before they are fully ready.

 

A secondary problem is that when we end up with players in rookie or A ball that dominate, we hear the excuse that there is no room to promote said player. If a short season A team is added, that'll give the team more flexibility to promote/demote players without having to release players or wait for injuries. Keeping a player at a level that he has mastered for a few extra months, has very little added benefit for the player and only lengthens the ETA to the majors. When it comes to player development, time needs to be viewed as a resource. 

 

I think it is a fair criticism that many of the college draftees are actually not challenged. You really have to look further than LaMonte Wade. He put up a wRC+ of 160 with a BB/K of 1.35 in the Appy league after being drafted. That league is just not much of a challenge for college players out of major conferences, whether we're talking about an early round junior or a late round senior. It's ok for junior college guys, players from small colleges, or high school players that haven't made the jump to A ball yet. 

 

Again, the way Twins are doing things is not working. Almost none of the players come up ready to contribute- sure a few may catch lightning in a bottle- but that never lasts once the league adjusts. Despite having one of the top rated farm systems the past few years, this team is on pace to lose 110 games. Surely, you must see the problem here. 

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FormerMinnasotan
Jun 23 2016 04:22 PM
Not that it matters too much but according to MiLB.com Aussie pitcher Lachlan Wells is on the Elizibethton roster as well. But he is not listed in this article. Is Wells pitching here or is there an error with the MiLB roster. Just wondering.
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ashburyjohn
Jun 23 2016 05:12 PM

If there is complaint that the Twins move their players up one level per year, I don't see how adding a short-season A league team will make those people happier.

 

And, as already alluded to, high-quality prospects will not materialize out of thin air just because we add one more affiliate. We'd just populate the new team with St Paul Saints kinds of players.

 

As I think about it, it's unclear to me why other teams bother with that extra level.

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birdwatcher
Jun 23 2016 05:45 PM

In looking at a very fluid roster of 14 pitchers, I see 8 of them have never thrown a pitch as a pro. All but one of the 8 is a late-round pick, Schick being the exception, our 6th round selection, age 21. Does anyone believe any of these 8 guys should be slotted somewhere besides E-Town?

 

Of the 6 with some previous "experience", Lujan has amassed a grand total of 19 career innings, Robinson and Vasquez 12 innings apiece. Does anyone believe the Twins are misduidedly holding these 3 guys back? Robinson is the gem here, a 5th rounder. In other words, not exactly a can't miss superstar in the making.

 

Then we have Martinez, age 19, a Venezuelan kid. Age 17 at DSL, age 18 at GCL. Not exactly old for this level, right?

 

Next: Wells, age 19, nursing an injury perhaps, but this Aussie is likely on a fast track to the next level if he continues to develop as impressively as he has so far. To argue about his initial placement at E-Town though is to seriously quibble.

 

Last, and probably the best case for criticism, is Quesada. He's 21, and has 64 innings under his belt. So, if one were to make a case that he might be well-served by being pushed, fine. But to make a wholesale argument that they're misguidedly placing these guys at too low of a level to start the season? Nonsense. KLAW wouldn't know what he was talking about if he offered that opinion about this group. I'm pretty sure he would not have a problem with where any of these prospects are playing to start 2016.

 

As Seth said, it's important to know the prospect information on a case by case basis.

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Well, then I guess I'm wrong.....I was mostly looking at Cabbage and Blakenthorn, who everyone raved about last year.

 

Speak about yourself ;)

 

They barely cracked my top-40 prospect list because of the deficiencies they have...


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