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The Yankees are in town for a 3-game series and Aaron Judge has been incredible. He has a .319 Batting Average and 30 Home Runs; those are incredible numbers… clearly frontrunner MVP type numbers.

Every year, in late March, I participate in a fantasy baseball draft for a 12-team keeper league. The draft is 30 rounds and I had Aaron Judge on my list of fall back options. I decided before the draft began that I would try and get Hunter Renfroe as my 5th OF selection in the 23rd round and if he wasn’t available I would grab Judge. Renfroe was available and I was happy. As we reached the final round… Aaron Judge was still available. I needed a 2B and I needed some power so that final pick was between Ryan Schimpf and Judge. I had Brandon Drury already and he was going to be 2B eligible in about 10 games so I could grab an OF despite the need for a 2B. I had 1:30 on the clock to make my selection, and I used up almost all of the available time to think about it. It was a long Saturday afternoon and most people were ready to wrap it up and go home, someone shouted at me, “IT’S THE 30TH PICK!!! It’s not like you are deciding the fate of the FREE WORLD HERE”. So I picked Schimpf and 2 picks later… the guy who shouted at me grabbed Judge. Since this is a keeper league, he will have Judge next year and the year after that.

Moral of the Story – A run of Padres isn’t great draft strategy and… and… SHUT UP WHEN I’M DRAFTING… and… and… it’s one of those drafts that I will be Judged on.

Here are some things to think about:">

Game Thread: Twins v Yankees, 7/17@7:10pm CT

Not often do you get a chance to type “Pigmeat Markham” in correct context so when opportunity presents itself… do not… ever... pass it... by. As 'Pigmeat' Markham once said, "Here comes da Judge… here comes da Judge… here comes da Judge… here comes da Judge."

The Yankees are in town for a 3-game series and Aaron Judge has been incredible. He has a .319 Batting Average and 30 Home Runs; those are incredible numbers… clearly frontrunner MVP type numbers.

Every year, in late March, I participate in a fantasy baseball draft for a 12-team keeper league. The draft is 30 rounds and I had Aaron Judge on my list of fall back options. I decided before the draft began that I would try and get Hunter Renfroe as my 5th OF selection in the 23rd round and if he wasn’t available I would grab Judge. Renfroe was available and I was happy. As we reached the final round… Aaron Judge was still available. I needed a 2B and I needed some power so that final pick was between Ryan Schimpf and Judge. I had Brandon Drury already and he was going to be 2B eligible in about 10 games so I could grab an OF despite the need for a 2B. I had 1:30 on the clock to make my selection, and I used up almost all of the available time to think about it. It was a long Saturday afternoon and most people were ready to wrap it up and go home, someone shouted at me, “IT’S THE 30TH PICK!!! It’s not like you are deciding the fate of the FREE WORLD HERE”. So I picked Schimpf and 2 picks later… the guy who shouted at me grabbed Judge. Since this is a keeper league, he will have Judge next year and the year after that.

Moral of the Story – A run of Padres isn’t great draft strategy and… and… SHUT UP WHEN I’M DRAFTING… and… and… it’s one of those drafts that I will be Judged on.

Here are some things to think about:
1. New York Mills – With a population of 1,225 people, New York Mills is pretty close to the middle of Twins Territory, located about 78 miles east of Fargo and 1,255 Miles from Plattsburgh, NY. The town got its name because the area sawmills were owned by a New York Compan - those Yankees decided on the name of the town and Minnesotans didn’t argue. It could have been called Minnesota Mills or Mills Fleet Farm instead. Back in the late 1800’s, sawmills sprung up in order to increase the amount of sawing that could be done. There isn’t much to see but people wanted to saw it anyway. I have driven through New York Mills, I saw it. The town was primarily settled by the Finnish, but when I saw it, it didn’t look totally Finnished, there were still improvements that could be made. One thing they could do… is take those perfectly fine and totally usable fishing boats off the top of the 'Welcome to New York Mills' city signs. As you enter the city limits there are actual fishing boats up in the air and visible to all. I don’t know how they got up there, perhaps a huge flood or something but it’s pretty lazy to not take them down after all this time. Lund Boats are manufactured in New York Mills at the same factory that produced high school basketball legend Janet Karvonen. She Finnished her high school career as the leading scorer in Minnesota History.

2. Our Twins – OK… three games with the Houston Astros after the all-star break, one win with two losses and ground was actually gained because the Indians got swept by the mighty A’s. This thing ain’t over yet. Byron Buxton has been swinging pretty well lately but he has been placed on the DL because that is what happens when you finally start playing well with the Twins.

3. The Yankees – Not only are the Twins trying to catch the Indians. They are also trying to catch the Yankees and they are both equal distance away. The Yankees used to be a bunch of old talent but they quickly transformed to a bunch of young talent. A-Rod, Jeter, and Roger Maris are gone, replaced by Judge, Sanchez and Hicks. Yankee fans travel well and tend to show up at road parks around the country. This is because you can buy a Twins ticket, flight, rental car, hotel, food and a My Pillow for less than a cost of a Yankees ticket.

4. Today’s Joe M Conversation:

McCarthy: These ribs are delicious… my compliments, Joe

Maddon: Thank you… Carolina-style barbecue. Vinegar, mustard base, with applewood chips in the smoker.

Mauer: Joe… I gotta ask you… how do you know so much about food?

Maddon: I don’t know… it just kinda happened… I’ve always been a bit of a foodie.

Montana: Foodie?

Maddon: Yeah, foodie… I actually coined that phrase.

Mauer: You coined that phrase?

Maddon: Yep… I called myself a foodie once and the rest is history.

McCarthy: That’s nothing… I coined the phrase… “Coined a phrase”.

5. Projects - I was asked to oversee a project at work that I didn’t have time for. I decided to overlook it, things will be fine as long as nobody understands the difference.
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Lineups:

YANKEES
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Clint Frazier LF
Aaron Judge RF
Matt Holliday DH
Starlin Castro 2B
Didi Gregorius SS
Chase Headley 3B
Garrett Cooper 1B
Austin Romine C
Brian Mitchell P

TWINS
Brian Dozier 2B
Zack Granite CF
Joe Mauer 1B
Miguel Sano 3B
Max Kepler RF
Kennys Vargas DH
Eddie Rosario LF
Ehire Adrianza SS
Jason Castro C

Adalberto Mejia P

Weather: Woo! Looks like a hot one in the TC today! (Yes, Chief, we know that it's twice as hot where you are ... yes, I'm leaving that comment open to interpretation.) Wunderground says that at game time it will be 89 deg (with a heat index of 96), getting cloudier throughout the evening as the rain is coming, but hopefully after the game is complete, with the winds from the S at 15mph. (Currently it's sunny, 94 deg with the heat index at 106 ... and it's a lovely upper 70s and sunny here in ChiTown ... perfect topless driving weather.)

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sampleSizeOfOne
Jul 18 2017 11:18 AM
Gosh...

I can't take it any more!

I pun regarding tonight's starter, and... hearing that is a sensitive spot for moderation... well i might as well get get slapped down in the relative privacy of an old game thread...
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sampleSizeOfOne
Jul 18 2017 11:26 AM
Here's to hoping this "don't hang the ball up"start Colon-y rebuffs the evil Empire...

Independence!
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Gosh...

I can't take it any more!

I pun regarding tonight's starter, and... hearing that is a sensitive spot for moderation... well i might as well get get slapped down in the relative privacy of an old game thread...

Believe me, every freakin' post about the planet Uranus gets plastered with juvenile jokes. Do something original and clever and I bet you'll be good.

 

Here's to hoping this "don't hang the ball up"start Colon-y rebuffs the evil Empire...

Independence!

Here's mine.

 

Sign for fastball :

Fastball hit over the fence  :..........|....

Sign for changeup  ;

Changeup hit over fence  ;..........|....

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sampleSizeOfOne
Jul 18 2017 11:33 AM

Here's mine.
 
Sign for fastball :
Fastball hit over the fence  :..........|....
Sign for changeup  ;
Changeup hit over fence  ;..........|....


Kind of like the court notes from Cyrano de Bergerac, if i correctly recall the gist of it.

"On Thursday, the prince had 12 helpings of custard. Custard will no longer be served at court."
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sampleSizeOfOne
Jul 18 2017 11:37 AM

Believe me, every freakin' post about the planet Uranus gets plastered with juvenile jokes. Do something original and clever and I bet you'll be good.


That looks more challanging... gimme a moment.
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That looks more challanging... gimme a moment.

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I'm with you, although defining opportunity is hard.

 

They don't award the batting title to the player with the most hits. However the player with the most hits is almost certainly a very good hitter.

 

Likewise anyone who leads the league in RBI, or even reaches the 100 level, is surely a good hitter, with all the necessary clutchness we want.

 

So the fans who judge by RBI aren't wrong, when they look at the high end of the rankings. It's the players who don't get many RBI who you want to take a closer look at before dismissing - maybe they bat leadoff or ninth, or maybe their team is bad and there weren't many ducks on the pond over the course of the season, or maybe the opportunities just didn't even out over the course of a particular season.

 

Runs are the coin of the realm, so celebrating the Run and the RBI stat makes perfect sense. But if 3 singles in an inning lead to 1 run, the first guy gets credit, the third guy gets different credit, and the second guy is a bum. :)

 

With hits, it's easy to define opportunity, either as AB if you want batting average, or combined with walks for OBP using PA as the denominator of the fraction. For RBI, it's a lot harder to break down - a man-on-first opportunity with 2 out is not the same as bases loaded (or even anybody on third with less than 2 out) - thus a simple denominator is hard to conjure up.

 

Yeah, that is the issue with RBI. It's not completely and utterly useless like wins but it's pretty darn close. I think it's when people use it on it's own that it's bad. If you're talking about runs driven in within the context of other stats (OPS, etc.) I think it can be okay. But every time I see it used it's the Lead Argument,

 

You're also right in saying that it's hard to figure out how to do it. Every solo HR is an RBI but wouldn't be calculated as one in a runners-on-base thing. I was reading about a stat called RE24 that I've never heard of before. Might be worth reading about.

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sampleSizeOfOne
Jul 18 2017 12:00 PM

Believe me, every freakin' post about the planet Uranus gets plastered with juvenile jokes. Do something original and clever and I bet you'll be good.


It requires more thought to set up well, but something should be possible with a voicemail message...

"Uranus... no, we didn't rin' you. U ran' us."

That either clever original?
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Hosken Bombo Disco
Jul 18 2017 12:03 PM

RE24 hasn't really caught on yet, but it is tracked on the stats sites. It can account for the middle guy's single very well :)

 

http://www.fangraphs...rary/misc/re24/

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It requires more thought to set up well, but something should be possible with a voicemail message...

"Uranus... no, we didn't rin' you. U ran' us."

That either clever original?

Hmmm....

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ashburyjohn
Jul 18 2017 01:29 PM

You're also right in saying that it's hard to figure out how to do it. Every solo HR is an RBI but wouldn't be calculated as one in a runners-on-base thing. I was reading about a stat called RE24 that I've never heard of before. Might be worth reading about.

Although I suggested an avenue or two to explore, ultimately I think trying to tweak RBI into a rate stat is a dead end. I like WPA. Win Probability Added deals with every plate appearance, and it covers edge cases like the 3-single run I previously brought up or your solo homer scenario. A game thread isn't the right place to keep going with such a tangent, so I'll stop here, but wanted to tie up the loose thread.

 

/ edit - I typed before reading the rest of the thread, and RE24 approaches the question a useful way too. It's not situational, if I understand right, so it gives as much credit to a final run on either side of a 10-1 laugher as a 2-1 walkoff score, which is also a criticism of raw RBI.

 

/ edit^2 - OK, so that means I didn't stop when I said I would stop. :)

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ChiTownTwinsFan
Jul 18 2017 02:38 PM

Check out today's game thread here! :)