Article: White Sox vs. Twins, 06/26/2012, 7:10pm

[PseudoSABR]

Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.

I'm sure it wasn't his idea to bring up those statistical categories. Come on. Again, you don't bring in a nuclear physicist to explain how force is derived from mass and acceleration...

[USAFChief]

Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.

I cannot believe even the most casual of fans hasn't at least heard of "quality start." Bert spent a few minutes on it LAST NIGHT, and it gets brought up on Twins broadcasts quite often.

[edavis0308]

Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.

You're not interpretting my comment correctly. It's not the fact that they were convering SABR stuff - its that QS ans WHIP were being discussed. I'm fine with them trying to introduce SABR stuff to the general public.

[twinsnorth49]

This game is much less entertaining than last night.

So is the discussion.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Dude. Splitting hairs a bit. When compared to true SABR stats.. WHIP compared to ERA+ or isolated slugging, etc? come on.

True, not really trying to argue, just mentioning that I've heard a fair amount of SABR people casually reference WHIP over the years. To me, it's a lot like OPS. Good for a quick and dirty analysis but lacking in fine details needed to understand a player.

[twinsnorth49]

You're not interpretting my comment correctly. It's not the fact that they were convering SABR stuff - its that QS ans WHIP were being discussed. I'm fine with them trying to introduce SABR stuff to the general public.

Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

It's not pretentious elitism, it's wondering why someone is trying to explain evolution by reading quotes from The Bible.

[PseudoSABR]

True, not really trying to argue, just mentioning that I've heard a fair amount of SABR people casually reference WHIP over the years. To me, it's a lot like OPS. Good for a quick and dirty analysis but lacking in fine details needed to understand a player.

Right. But as we know OPS isn't really statistically sound either. WHIP actually has more solid basis for measuring what intends and doesn't simply mush two percentages together.

[PseudoSABR]

Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

Many of us just came from a Twins message board where we referred to ourselves as elitists, so get used to it. Moreover, there's nothing wrong with trying to uplift the discourse.

[PseudoSABR]

it's not pretentious elitism, it's wondering why someone is trying to explain evolution by reading quotes from the bible.

ftw.

[edavis0308]

Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

yeah not sure how I get labeled as acting elitist. People posting on message board during game = not general baseball public. Your average retired couple watching the twins on a Tuesday night in rural Minnesota = general baseball public. Idk, I just stating I don't see QS and WHIP as overly sabrmetric stats. I'm not being smug about it.

[USAFChief]

Meanwhile...it's Gavin F'ing Floyd, boys.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Well, I'm glad we could all have this talk because this game is boooooooring.

[snepp]

Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

This forum isn't the general public though, so....



pfffffffffffffffffft.

[PseudoSABR]

I'm not being smug about it.

Well, I am.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'd like to take this moment to point out that the Twins are completely wasting a "quality start" from Liam Hendriks.

A shame. Those don't seem to come around often.

[snepp]

I'd like to take this moment to point out that the Twins are completely wasting a "quality start" from Liam Hendriks.

Well played.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Has anyone been tracking Hendricks' first pitch strikes? He still seems to be throwing too few of them, though overall his ball/strike ratio is decent.

[twinsnorth49]

Many of us just came from a Twins message board where we referred to ourselves as elitists, so get used to it. Moreover, there's nothing wrong with trying to uplift the discourse.

How, it's not like anyone hasn't heard any of this a thousand times before, it's nothing new.

[edavis0308]

Well, I am.

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