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Shane Wahl
04-23-2012, 12:14 PM
Chris Herrmann

Position: Catcher/OF
DOB: 11/24/1987 (24 years, 5 months old)
POB: Tomball, Texas
Hand: Bats left, throws right
Draft: First drafted by the Baltimore Orioles in the 10th round of the 2008 draft. Selected by the Twins in the 6th round of the 2009 draft out of the University of Miami.

Statistics:
2010 (Fort Myers): 408 PA, .219/.310/.301, 17 doubles/3 triples/2 home runs, 41 BB/74 K, 3 SB/5 SBA.
52 games at LF, 42 at C, 11 at CF. 36% caught stealing percentage at C.

2011: (Fort Myers): 106 PA, .310/.404/.425, 5/1/1, 15/6, 1/1.
10 games at LF, 6 at C, 5 at RF.

2011: (New Britain): 406 PA, .258/.380/.392, 14/5/7, 64/68, 9/12.
60 games at C, 22 at LF, 1 at RF. 36% caught stealing percentage at C.

2011 (AFL): 57 PA, .380/.456/.620



Current 2012 (New Britain): 64 PA, .228/.279/.386, 6/0/1, 4/11, 1/1. (.731 OPS against RH pitchers)
10 games at C, 4 at DH. 30% caught stealing percentage at C.


Scouting Book Combine Ranking: 322

Herrmann is a bright spot in the Twins system, providing a backup catching solution in the not-too-distant future. Herrmann has a great eye and is a disciplined hitter. His average and OBP this year are down so far, but he has managed to slug nearly the same as he did in 2011 while batting 30 points lower. This is mainly because of his doubles power, which is an encouraging sign for an OBP guy.

I hope that he gets time in the OF for New Britain soon. He is an average to above average defensive player at both LF and C. I would like to see him move up to Rochester this season and at least split time behind the plate and then play the corner OF positions to keep his bat in the lineup.

It is possible that Herrmann gets a September call-up this year. If Joe Mauer has a significant injury, he might be up before that as Herrmann is the only catcher near-ready or ready for MLB who can hit at all.

Last 5 games cumulative stats:
.200 (4 for 20), 2 walks, 3 strikeouts, 3 doubles

Shane Wahl
04-30-2012, 12:02 PM
The 6-0, 200 pound catcher/OF had a pretty good week:

Game log
1-5, 1 2B, 2 k
2-4, HR, 3 runs, 2 rbi, 1 bb, 1 k
1-4, 1 run, 1 k
2-6, 1 run, 1 2B, 1 k
1-4, 1 run, 1 rbi
2-3, 3 runs, 1 bb

That's 9 runs in his past 5 games, so his ability to get on base is certainly paying off. His season numbers have jumped to:

90 PA, .265/.315/.434, 8/0/2, 6/16, 1/1

With an increase in isolated power has come a decrease in isolated discipline. I am not sure what the cause of this is, whether pitchers are pitching to him more, or Herrmann is simply swinging more. His k rate has not really increased from last year--he is just walking less.

He played two games in left field this week, which is a good thing. No errors in 108 chances and a 40% caught stealing rate.

Shane Wahl
05-07-2012, 01:53 AM
Things have taken a turn for the worse for Herrmann:

Since last week he has gone 3 for 23 with one homer and a horrible 1/10 BB/K ratio.

Herrmann is not taking walks and his OBP is plummeting and this is not a good sign at the moment.

He's had 111 PA this year and the next 111 are going to be pretty vital for his development.

Shane Wahl
05-21-2012, 12:17 AM
Chris Herrmann's updated statistics:

161 PA, .238/.284/.397 (.681), 12/0/4, 10/32, 1/1

This has not been a good start for Herrmann (it's official). I am not sure what is behind the bad BB/K rate at this point, but this is very un-Herrmann like after last year's performance. His power is something to watch, as he is on pace to really improve his doubles and home run numbers. But he isn't getting many singles, so the average is very low. This shift is very similar to what is happening to Aaron Hicks at New Britain, so perhaps they are both working on adding thing to their repetoires.

Hopefully.

I still think he could move up to Rochester eventually this season.

Shane Wahl
05-23-2012, 01:17 AM
Herrmann is finally smacking the ball around.

In his last two games he is 8-for-9 with 3 runs scored, 2 rbi, and 2 doubles. He already has 14 doubles on the year with his four homers. His OPS is up to .758 even with an abnormally (for him) low OBP.

When he gets the plate discipline back (or makes it more prevalent in his approach), the OPS should jump up.

Shane Wahl
06-07-2012, 02:12 AM
Herrmann continues to underwhelm, posting a .582 OPS in his last 10 games. In that time he has drawn some more walks, but he is not getting many hits. He definitely is still a possibility for promotion to Rochester this year, but he must start hitting and turn this regression around. He was 2 for 5 Wednesday night.

greengoblinrulz
06-10-2012, 02:01 PM
While Hermann hasnt increased his numbers greatly at New Brit this yr......he has now played about a full MLB yr in AA
151gms 546ABs .260/.360/.397 29doubles 5 triples 12HR 67RBI 10/13SBs 84bb 112Ks

While I cannot find his numbers from 2011 vs LHP....I know they were not good (low .200BAve)
This yr...15/48 for a .313BAve. Keep this up & you have to assume his BAve vs RHP (.248 in 2012) will pick up.

Shane Wahl
06-10-2012, 02:22 PM
While Hermann hasnt increased his numbers greatly at New Brit this yr......he has now played about a full MLB yr in AA
151gms 546ABs .260/.360/.397 29doubles 5 triples 12HR 67RBI 10/13SBs 84bb 112Ks

While I cannot find his numbers from 2011 vs LHP....I know they were not good (low .200BAve)
This yr...15/48 for a .313BAve. Keep this up & you have to assume his BAve vs RHP (.248 in 2012) will pick up.


Thanks for pointing this out as it is pretty helpful in getting an overall view of where Herrmann is at right now. Trading some OBP for SLG is not the end of the world, certainly, and I would certainly like to see how he does in a half-year this year at Rochester!

Shane Wahl
06-22-2012, 12:40 AM
Herrmann has 6 walks and 4 strikeouts in his last 10 games.

And, of course, in that time he forgot how to hit the ball.

One thing that has jumped out at me this year is his reverse LH/RH splits. He has an OPS of .754 (58 AB) against lefties and .690 against righties (184 AB). That is something to keep an eye on, especially if that continues after the much-needed promotion to Rochester.

He also hits well at home and struggles on the road. Finally, he is terrible in day games and very good in night games.

Shane Wahl
07-12-2012, 12:29 AM
With a .771 OPS over the past 10 games, Chris Herrmann has proved (with everything else) that he deserves a promotion to AAA. Clearly, Rene Rivera is more important to the organization, however.

His OBP is slowly creeping back up. He still whiffs too much, but there is an increase in power to go with that. He had 19 doubles and 8 homers last year in the minors and has 20 doubles and 7 homers SO FAR this year.

Herrmann turns 25 in November. There is no reason not to promote him to AAA in the next few weeks.

drjim
07-12-2012, 04:06 PM
With a .771 OPS over the past 10 games, Chris Herrmann has proved (with everything else) that he deserves a promotion to AAA. Clearly, Rene Rivera is more important to the organization, however.

His OBP is slowly creeping back up. He still whiffs too much, but there is an increase in power to go with that. He had 19 doubles and 8 homers last year in the minors and has 20 doubles and 7 homers SO FAR this year.

Herrmann turns 25 in November. There is no reason not to promote him to AAA in the next few weeks.

This got argued over in another post, but for developmental purposes there just isn't that big of a difference between AA and AAA. He is fine playing full time in AA, may even get a September callup.

Shane Wahl
07-13-2012, 10:50 AM
This got argued over in another post, but for developmental purposes there just isn't that big of a difference between AA and AAA. He is fine playing full time in AA, may even get a September callup.

See Ben Revere 2011. Chris Parmelee 2012.

Then get back to me on that AA vs. AAA thing.

greengoblinrulz
07-14-2012, 12:25 PM
last season Hermann couldnt hit lefties
NBrit....9/65 .138/.282/.169 2 doubles 7 rbi 16k 12bb
2012--27/86 .314/.366/.430 5doubles triple hr 3rbi 15k 6bb

Last yr he hit righties great
2011---272ABs .287/.403/.445 12doubles 5triples 7hr 36rbi 52k 52bb
2012---241ABs .241/.315/.382 15doubles 6hr 31rbi 45k 26bb

some of his numbers last yr were inflated with a 9-13 w/6rbi over last 3 days...average rose 14 points & slgg 22 points over last weekend

when he puts it together....he will be in the majors. Ready for AAA IMO.....even w/our AA/AAA discusions bein legit

Shane Wahl
07-14-2012, 12:29 PM
last season Hermann couldnt hit lefties
NBrit....9/65 .138/.282/.169 2 doubles 7 rbi 16k 12bb
2012--27/86 .314/.366/.430 5doubles triple hr 3rbi 15k 6bb

Last yr he hit righties great
2011---272ABs .287/.403/.445 12doubles 5triples 7hr 36rbi 52k 52bb
2012---241ABs .241/.315/.382 15doubles 6hr 31rbi 45k 26bb

when he puts it together....he will be in the majors. Ready for AAA IMO.....even w/our AA/AAA discusions bein legit

Yeah, that is one bit of an anomaly this year. The other is the power increase with the BB/K rate being more problematic. I still wonder if they are experimenting with him some to improve on some aspects of his batting while perhaps struggling a bit at other areas that he was good at in 2011. This would be similar to how they tried to make Parmelee into an all-around hitter.

greengoblinrulz
07-14-2012, 12:55 PM
I agree that's possibly what they are doin. He has also thrown out 45% of baserunners this yr (19/42).....84/217 (39% career). No way that Drew Butera should be the 3rd C next yr with Chris around.

Shane Wahl
07-14-2012, 02:59 PM
I agree that's possibly what they are doin. He has also thrown out 45% of baserunners this yr (19/42).....84/217 (39% career). No way that Drew Butera should be the 3rd C next yr with Chris around.

Good god and a half. Don't make me think about DB being the third catcher next year. The Twins should pay him a nice enough salary to be the catcher for whatever affiliate at the time has the most good pitching prospects or at least capable major league pitching prospects. I am not really joking, either.

Mauer-Doumit-Herrmann means nice versatility and no need for going out after the Clete Thomas or Eric Komatsu types, or for wasting Chris Parmelee just to have a left-handed bench bat.

greengoblinrulz
07-15-2012, 12:51 PM
Im one who believes that runs scored is a stat that shows off a players skills of getting on base & baserunning skills (not necessarily basestealing but base to base & xtra base taking), while others believe it is a virtue of leaving it up to other players to knock you in.
Herrmann leads the Eastern League in runs scored as a catcher with 57 (heading into Sundays game....Aaron Hicks 2nd w/55 despite missing a couple wks)

drjim
07-15-2012, 03:48 PM
See Ben Revere 2011. Chris Parmelee 2012.

Then get back to me on that AA vs. AAA thing.

I don't follow. It shouldn't be surprising that marginal MLB regular level talent would struggle during the first go around in the bigs.

Shane Wahl
08-05-2012, 08:21 AM
Herrmann continues to plug away at New Britain, with a .739 OPS.

He now has 848 plate appearances at AA. That comes with a .265/.361/.393 line and 15 homers.

A backup catcher and 5 OF who gets on base at .350 and slugs .390 would be valuable for the Twins.

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 11:18 AM
if only he wasnt blocked by Drew Butera

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 05:29 PM
Hermann, this wk, passed his games played at New Brit last yr ....compare
2011 97gms 337ABs .258/.380/.392 53runs 14doubles 5triples 7HR 46RBI 68k 64bb 9/12sb
2012 103gms 393ABs .272/.347/.394 76runs 22doubles 1triple 8hr 46rbi 71k 46bb 2/3sb

Tied for Eastern Lg lead , with Aaron Hicks, in runs scored w/76
105ABs .324/.385/.419 vs LHP
Since June 1st has 32bb 32Ks to show his good eye is stil there.

IMO, the only reason he hasnt been promoted (or teammates either) is to reward New Brit.... for re-upping their contract w/MN & try for the playoffs

drjim
08-05-2012, 06:01 PM
if only he wasnt blocked by Drew Butera

Butera is not blocking him. Butera is a defensive guy who plays once a week. I have never seen a scouting report that Herrmann is close to Butera and there is no way the Twins would have him on the major league roster to rarely play.

drjim
08-05-2012, 06:03 PM
IMO, the only reason he hasnt been promoted (or teammates either) is to reward New Brit.... for re-upping their contract w/MN & try for the playoffs

False.

Have some patience. Getting through the minors is not a race, it is about developing players and for the marginal guys like Herrmann there is great benefit to playing every day at a level he can handle rather than being pushed too high to play less.

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 06:57 PM
Butera is not blocking him. Butera is a defensive guy who plays once a week. I have never seen a scouting report that Herrmann is close to Butera and there is no way the Twins would have him on the major league roster to rarely play.

My Butera comment was sarcasm.....

Shane Wahl
08-08-2012, 10:02 AM
False.

Have some patience. Getting through the minors is not a race, it is about developing players and for the marginal guys like Herrmann there is great benefit to playing every day at a level he can handle rather than being pushed too high to play less.

Plenty of New Britain players would step in immediately as starters for Rochester, and Herrmann is one of them. Rene Rivera, Brian Dinkelman, and Clete Thomas are too important to have in the organization though!

old nurse
08-08-2012, 10:48 AM
Plenty of New Britain players would step in immediately as starters for Rochester, and Herrmann is one of them. Rene Rivera, Brian Dinkelman, and Clete Thomas are too important to have in the organization though!


It is not like any of those players are blocking anyone's development. If Arcia is major league ready next year he will play in the majors regardless if he spends time in Rochester. No one else shows up as really being above average. Benson being a basket case earlier at Rochester will effect a mid season promotion.

Shane Wahl
08-08-2012, 11:47 AM
It is not like any of those players are blocking anyone's development. If Arcia is major league ready next year he will play in the majors regardless if he spends time in Rochester. No one else shows up as really being above average. Benson being a basket case earlier at Rochester will effect a mid season promotion.

Well, I don't want to go down this path again, but I think there is value to AAA playing time for all but the top prospects (like Arcia). Hicks, Benson, Herrmann, Romero, and Colabello all should go to AAA. The first three are clearly above average prospects and the latter two at least are showing above average power this year.

Shane Wahl
08-08-2012, 11:50 AM
Yeah, well it also took NBR AWHILE to put these two where they belong at 1-2 in the lineup. I don't understand how that wasn't obvious from the get-go. Maybe they were trying to develop them into better hitters, and judging by the BA's rising some and Hicks' improved power, it may have worked (I hope that is why they didn't start the season 1-2, anyway).


Hermann, this wk, passed his games played at New Brit last yr ....compare
2011 97gms 337ABs .258/.380/.392 53runs 14doubles 5triples 7HR 46RBI 68k 64bb 9/12sb
2012 103gms 393ABs .272/.347/.394 76runs 22doubles 1triple 8hr 46rbi 71k 46bb 2/3sb

Tied for Eastern Lg lead , with Aaron Hicks, in runs scored w/76
105ABs .324/.385/.419 vs LHP
Since June 1st has 32bb 32Ks to show his good eye is stil there.

IMO, the only reason he hasnt been promoted (or teammates either) is to reward New Brit.... for re-upping their contract w/MN & try for the playoffs

Shane Wahl
08-08-2012, 11:54 AM
It is not like any of those players are blocking anyone's development. If Arcia is major league ready next year he will play in the majors regardless if he spends time in Rochester. No one else shows up as really being above average. Benson being a basket case earlier at Rochester will effect a mid season promotion.

And as I have said elsewhere, I submit Brian Dozier, Chris Parmelee, Joe Benson, and Rene Tosoni as guys who clearly spent way too little time in AAA before being thought of as MLB-ready. The Twins held them back in AA and then gave them (the first two) way too little time in AAA. Dozier's AAA numbers this year should have raised red flags. Parmelee's sustained time in AAA is going to help him.

old nurse
08-08-2012, 10:52 PM
And as I have said elsewhere, I submit Brian Dozier, Chris Parmelee, Joe Benson, and Rene Tosoni as guys who clearly spent way too little time in AAA before being thought of as MLB-ready. The Twins held them back in AA and then gave them (the first two) way too little time in AAA. Dozier's AAA numbers this year should have raised red flags. Parmelee's sustained time in AAA is going to help him.

Benson's problems at AAA earlier this year were well documented, as were Tosoni's. I recall at the time that Tosoni was called up there were not many other options. Why he regressed this year I do not know. Would they as players be better off working to push to make the playoffs in AA versus playing out the season in AAA is a good question. Can any of them learn to carry a team? That is a skill sorely lacking with the Twins. They have players that can play well, even sometimes all stars when not by default, but none that IMO can carry a team. Maybe one or two of them will get that experience at New Britain and bring it with them forward. Do the Twins have filler at AAA and AA. All the names you mention at AAA. I think they view Rivera as filler, not a third baseman. Colabello I think started as such. AA is the highest level he has played.

Shane Wahl
09-05-2012, 01:19 AM
Chris Herrmann ended the year quite well.

For the season:

558 PA, .276/.350/.392 (.742), with 25 doubles, 1 triple, and 10 homers, a 58/89 bb/k rate, and a majority of his time at catchers (then LF and one game at 3B).

He has a .754 OPS in AA in almost 1,000 plate appearances. My word, how is this not a valuable asset for the Twins going forward instead of Drew Butera? Even a .700 OPS in a 2.5 catcher/5th OF/lefty PH (though great against lefties) role in 200 PA would be a great improvement for the Twins. Then he replaces Doumit down the line.

Herrmann is headed back to the AFL, so it will be interesting to see how he does there. I don't think there is much to prove. He would have benefit from about 100 AAA plate appearances this year, but apparently this inept organization disagrees.

Wookiee of the Year
09-09-2012, 05:16 PM
Shane, what's your read on how soon Herrmann should replace Butera as our third-string catcher? I agree with you that it would've been great to see him play at AAA this year, but given where we sit today, when would it be reasonable to move him onto the Twins' active roster in a primarily bench role without risk of stunting his development?

Also, do you know if he's related to the Frank Herrmann who threw an inning of relief pitching for the Cleveland Indians last night?

Jim H
09-09-2012, 06:12 PM
I don't really understand why some of you seem to think Herrmann was being held back at AA. He hit less than 280 with modest power(10 HR). While he might be a better hitter than Rivera, Towles or Butera, he hardly dominated with his bat. One of the things the Twins seemed to want to accomplish with Herrmann was get him an extended look at catcher. Which they accomplished. Since he really doesn't seem to be a likely big league starter at any position, I expect for him to actually make a major league roster, he will have to be reasonably accomplished defsively at more than one position. It would also be nice if he could hold his own with the bat.

Having a little offense in a backup catcher is a nice bonus, but a backup catcher better be a good defensive catcher. I don't really think Herrmann is likely that, at this point, he really hasn't caught much. He could be a very useful backup at some point, but I suspect he is likely a good year or more away from the majors.

greengoblinrulz
09-09-2012, 07:34 PM
Guys repeatedly make the majors who do not have spectacular, but rather very solid minor league numbers (look at Parmelee).
Regardless of whether he's a starter, he's goin to be a solid bench contributor and there is extreme value there.
Probably wont begin the season with MN as 3rd C just like Butera didnt this year, but joined them in May. Of course, a 3rd C isnt necessary to anyone else than Gardy...so maybe next year we wont see one that early or if at all.

This year in AFL, he will be a fulltime starting C where last year, he was the backup C....lot easier to evaluate.

Twins Twerp
09-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Chris Herrmann ended the year quite well.

For the season:

558 PA, .276/.350/.392 (.742), with 25 doubles, 1 triple, and 10 homers, a 58/89 bb/k rate, and a majority of his time at catchers (then LF and one game at 3B).

He has a .754 OPS in AA in almost 1,000 plate appearances. My word, how is this not a valuable asset for the Twins going forward instead of Drew Butera? Even a .700 OPS in a 2.5 catcher/5th OF/lefty PH (though great against lefties) role in 200 PA would be a great improvement for the Twins. Then he replaces Doumit down the line.

Herrmann is headed back to the AFL, so it will be interesting to see how he does there. I don't think there is much to prove. He would have benefit from about 100 AAA plate appearances this year, but apparently this inept organization disagrees.

Inept organization? No organization would have moved up an average hitter/sub-average defensive catcher to AAA. If most of you guys could have your way, prospects would spend a month at each level. There is no rush with these guys. Tori Hunter and Denard Span are prime examples of why letting prospects to move up on slowly, not before they are ready, is a good practice. If Herman was the next Joe Mauer, he wouldn't be hitting under .280.

In my opinion, he should spend most of the season at AAA next year. His bat will probably be good enough to join the bigs early next season, but this kid needs more time learning how to deal with Major league pitchers behind the plate. Let him call a full season of games at AAA before you call him up. The Twins are not competing next season, why not let him develop more before throwing him to wolves (Wolves being pitchers like Deduno and Frankiefastball).

greengoblinrulz
09-14-2012, 01:01 PM
Sounds like Hermann is bein called up due to injuries....
Bout time

Seth Stohs
09-14-2012, 03:00 PM
Sounds like Herrmann will be called up for catcher depth, but it still hasn't been announced officially.

Shane Wahl
09-14-2012, 04:38 PM
Yay!

Twins Twerp, why do you feel the need to exaggerate? I said that 1000 plate appearances at AA seemed like overkill there and that he should have spent time at AAA THIS YEAR before likely starting there next year. What's wrong with that? How is that anything remotely akin to "spending a month" at every level?