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Seth Stohs
04-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Tonight the Twins will try to win their second in a row in Tampa:

Twins Lineup:

Denard Span CF
Jamey Carroll SS
Joe Mauer 1B
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau DH
Ryan Doumit C
Danny Valencia 3B
Clete Thomas RF
Alexi Casilla 2B

SP: Carl Pavano

mikeee
04-21-2012, 03:17 PM
Glad Morneau is back...

John Bonnes
04-21-2012, 03:32 PM
Clete Thomas again? I gotta say, if we're looking for a reason to get worked up about Gardy's lineup, forget this 3rd catcher crap - this is the topic we should be focusing on. Thomas has STARTED in right field six of the seven games he's been with the Twins. What the hell?

I can understand it a couple of times. For instance, his first game, he gets a pass. His second game he gets a pass because he had the big first game. And I can understand the two starts when the lefties were on the mound and Gardy was protecting/resting Morneau. But that still doesn't explain Game 3 in NYY and tonight. Parmelee is getting screwed here.

Seth Stohs
04-21-2012, 03:37 PM
Parmelee should be in Rochester, not in RF. I have no problem with them playing Thomas. First, they see what they've got, and second, he's not so bad. I have no problem with him being the Left-handed hitting RF in a platoon. The four-K game was one game. A game to move on from.

John Bonnes
04-21-2012, 03:41 PM
Parmelee should be in Rochester, not in RF. I have no problem with them playing Thomas. First, they see what they've got, and second, he's not so bad. I have no problem with him being the Left-handed hitting RF in a platoon. The four-K game was one game. A game to move on from.

There are at least four things in that quote I want to talk about. I've started a Clete Thomas thread, because this is going to drive me crazy.

http://twinsdaily.com/showthread.php?931-Clete-Thomas-Is-The-Twins-Starting-Right-Fielder-Really

Bark's Lounge
04-21-2012, 03:52 PM
I choose Parmelee over Thomas. When Terry Ryan acquired Thomas through the waiver wire last weekend he mentioned something to the tune of Thomas projects as a good 4th Outfielder. If Morneau eventually works his way into being the almost everyday first baseman again. Wouldn't it make sense to have Parmelee get a fair amount of action in RF? At this juncture in time he has done nothing to convince me that he needs more "seasoning". I really think he adds an element of offensive fear to our line-up and RF is where he is going to have to play if Morneau is in the field. I like Thomas, he can play all 3 OF positions, he has a nice arm, he has some pop, but is very susceptible to LH pitchers - but he is what TR calls him... a 4th Outfielder.

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 05:21 PM
I'd rather see Parmelee but this lineup can get it done.....Win Twins!!!

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 07:00 PM
Lots of Strikeouts early by Pavano . . . that's promising!

striker_86
04-21-2012, 07:00 PM
We need Pavano to pitch 7+ innings tonight....

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 07:21 PM
nice work to turn two there, keeping the Rays off the board.

mikeee
04-21-2012, 07:23 PM
pitcher's duel.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 07:32 PM
REALLY nice work to turn two there, keeping the Rays off the board.

mikeee
04-21-2012, 07:32 PM
great double play! defense is working!

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 07:45 PM
great at bat for Morneau - come on Doumit!

striker_86
04-21-2012, 07:49 PM
Could have used a big hit by Doumit there....cmon!

mikeee
04-21-2012, 07:49 PM
bases loaded, and out he goes...

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 07:52 PM
He hit it pretty well, battled hard after going 0-2. Nice little rally, too bad it came with 2 out

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 07:55 PM
if there is such a thing, this has been a vintage Pavano performance so far.

Seth Stohs
04-21-2012, 08:00 PM
I always have to ask... what more was Ryan Doumit supposed to do there? He took a great AB against one of the league's best pitchers, and he hit a very hard line drive. I would have liked a couple of runs there too, but what was he supposed to do there instead?

stringer bell
04-21-2012, 08:03 PM
Some good ABs for the Rays hitters. Pavano can't finish them off after getting a lot of Ks early.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 08:03 PM
Do you walk this guy in this situation?

edit: .... yeah. you can't predict that outcome, but why give them a free baserunner in that situation?

Boom Boom
04-21-2012, 08:12 PM
A couple of bad decisions by Span cost the Twins 2 runs.

one_eyed_jack
04-21-2012, 08:14 PM
Well that was about as frustrating an inning as you can get. Doumit, with the bases loaded, couldn't have hit that ball any harder, unfortunately it was hit right at someone.

Then in the bottom of the inning, a bunch of close plays, close pitches and close calls all go the home team's way, and it's 3-0 Rays.

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 08:14 PM
Ok, I've almost had enough of Thomas, get a clue.

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 08:16 PM
..........and Casilla.

one_eyed_jack
04-21-2012, 08:27 PM
Well this is getting ugly....

bigd1123
04-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Valenica looks like he needs a night off.

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 08:29 PM
Valenica looks like he needs a night off.

He's already taking the night off....brutal.

one_eyed_jack
04-21-2012, 08:32 PM
Ok, I've almost had enough of Thomas, get a clue.

Yeah. He's fine as a 4th or 5th outfielder, but this had better be the end of this little experiment of regularly putting him in the lineup.

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 08:36 PM
One double play ball too late

Ultima Ratio
04-21-2012, 08:37 PM
Top of the lineup, now or never.... or maybe just a later... like in the ninth.

one_eyed_jack
04-21-2012, 08:40 PM
OK, I'm not going to blame this loss on umpiring, but Bell's strike zone has been maddeningly inconsistent tonight.

That called strike 3 on Span was a ball for Pavano a few times, including a key at-bat with Pena that started the 3-run rally.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 08:56 PM
yuck. Gray is not pitching well again...

edit: and somehow they wriggle out of it.

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 08:59 PM
Oh Jeff Gray, we hardly knew yee!

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 09:03 PM
Hammer time

Seth Stohs
04-21-2012, 09:06 PM
Congrats to Josh WIllingham on the 15 game hitting streak, tying Kirby Puckett for longest streak to start a season.

Also, nice to see Shields coming out of the game with a couple of runners on in the 9th!!

twinsnorth49
04-21-2012, 09:07 PM
That was top shelf starting pitching by James Shields.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 09:15 PM
not to mention Fernando Rodney - his stuff was filthy.

TwinsGuy55422
04-21-2012, 09:17 PM
Very frustrating loss. Hopefully Liriano can come up with his first good start of the season tomorrow and we can still win the series.

Bark's Lounge
04-21-2012, 09:23 PM
No loss is easy to swallow, but we got beat fair and square tonight. Shields was awesome. The Hometowners need to take it in the jaw and make it personal tomorrow.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-21-2012, 09:24 PM
on the radio Provus mentioned that Swarzak should be available out of the pen if needed on Sunday to help out Liriano. Hope that's not necessary.

striker_86
04-21-2012, 10:55 PM
No loss is easy to swallow, but we got beat fair and square tonight. Shields was awesome. The Hometowners need to take it in the jaw and make it personal tomorrow.

I agree. We got a solid start by Pavano. We need one of those rare Liriano starts tomorrow where he goes 7 innings of shutout pitching and 10 strikeouts.