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notoriousgod71
10-01-2013, 01:31 PM
Gardenhire will return as Twins manager | Star Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/225822921.html?page=2&c=y)


The quote that gets me is: "for every guy in the rotation that struggled, we had two in the bullpen who did well.

That means we had 22 bullpen guys do well this season.

IdahoPilgrim
10-01-2013, 01:39 PM
First, a least a couple of our main starters had decent seasons (Correia, Deduno), something that should be recognized. Not stellar, but certainly acceptable, keeping us in the game more often than not and giving us a chance to win. I'll take that from a starter anyday.

Second, these are off-the-cuff comments, intended to speak more in generalizations rather than be subject to intense logical scrutiny. The numbers may be imprecise, but the general point, that the bullpen did well in contrast to the rotation, is entirely accurate.

notoriousgod71
10-01-2013, 01:43 PM
First, a least a couple of our main starters had decent seasons (Correia, Deduno), something that should be recognized. Not stellar, but certainly acceptable, keeping us in the game more often than not and giving us a chance to win. I'll take that from a starter anyday.

Second, these are off-the-cuff comments, intended to speak more in generalizations rather than be subject to intense logical scrutiny. The numbers may be imprecise, but the general point, that the bullpen did well in contrast to the rotation, is entirely accurate.

I wonder how he judges the bullpens success- by their ERA perhaps, which he has already stated he doesn't like.

Alex
10-01-2013, 01:51 PM
There was a ton of talk in the article about a roster overhaul. I'll be fascinated to see if it happens and what it looks like, but I don't think there are all that many players that I care whether I see in a Twins uniform or not next season (even if I think it's unlikely).

I think all but the following hitters are relatively replaceable: Mauer, Dozier, Arcia, and possibly Pinto.

On the pitching side of things I don't think we ended the season with a single starter that isn't replaceable, though a couple of bullpen guys earned their keep.

nicksaviking
10-01-2013, 01:53 PM
"for every guy in the rotation that struggled, we had two in the bullpen who did well.”

Why does Anderson keep getting credit for the bullpen? Isn't that Cuellar's perview now?

Anyway I'd much prefer a successful rotation to a successful bullpen, how about whatever educational philosophies Anderson preached to the relievers we instill on the starters instead.

TheLeviathan
10-01-2013, 02:16 PM
Good god, someone in the organization muzzle Ryan until he does something this offseason. Now thy are citing Vegas odds? If someone had said that in March they'd have been laughed off as a negative. They just keep digging holes.

Physics Guy
10-01-2013, 02:18 PM
"for every guy in the rotation that struggled, we had two in the bullpen who did well.

Why does Anderson keep getting credit for the bullpen? Isn't that Cuellar's perview now?

Anyway I'd much prefer a successful rotation to a successful bullpen, how about whatever educational philosophies Anderson preached to the relievers we instill on the starters instead.

Why shouldn't Anderson get some credit for the success of the bullpen? Aren't those players in the bullpen considered pitchers? Cuellar should get some recognition also. Anderson should also receive some criticism for the rotation.

I would suggest that a greater amount of praise for the bullpen and criticism for the rotation should be directed at Terry Ryan. He continually finds "diamonds in the rough" for the BP, but has had minimal success with the rotation. I would probably fit in the "FO apologists" category, but after this offseason I will have a tough time supporting TR if he sits on his hands.

ThePuck
10-01-2013, 02:50 PM
this quote made me laguh...“We probably have to go out to the market to supplement the roster for 2014,” Pohlad said. “I think [Ryan] is enthusiastic about doing that.”

Overall, the article made me sick.

But hey, you gotta like an executive of a huge company that says, 'for gosh sakes'. :-)

Winston Smith
10-01-2013, 03:23 PM
These guys just talk in circles. Pohlad says Terry can spend on free agents he has the money, Terry says we can't fix this with free agents. Pohlad has just made a promise that he knows Terry will never cash in.

Mr. Brooks
10-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Who cares if the bullpen was good?
This organization just does not get it.
The bullpen has value if you are a playoff caliber team, but even then the value is very small. The WAR of an entire good bullpen might be right around the WAR for one very good good starting pitcher.
The value of a good bullpen on a 96 loss team? That is like putting $5k rims on an '86 Ford Escort.

snepp
10-01-2013, 09:14 PM
The value of a good bullpen on a 96 loss team? That is like putting $5k rims on an '86 Ford Escort.

Hey, I resemble that remark!