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notoriousgod71
09-29-2013, 05:40 PM
If you count his final 21 postseason games with the Twins you can add 2 more victories to get him that elusive and prestigious number!

YourHouseIsMyHouse
09-29-2013, 07:17 PM
Going 3 of 16 at the end of the year when only needing 5 is pretty...well I'm lost for words. The tank was successful and Gardy is stuck at 998 for the offseason. He'll get 1,000 with some other team (I hope).

Marta Shearing
09-29-2013, 08:49 PM
Hilarious, but its true. 2-19 in his last 21 playoff games. What manager keeps his job after that? Should have canned him in 2010.

Marta Shearing
09-29-2013, 09:45 PM
Honestly. Is that even possible? Our calculations must be off. 2-19 in his last 21 playoff games. In the history of the game, is there any managerial stat of futility that even compares to that?

Brock Beauchamp
09-30-2013, 06:52 AM
I know this thread is tongue in cheek but if this descends into another pointless Gardy-bashing thread, it's going to be locked and infractions will be handed out.

cmathewson
09-30-2013, 07:10 AM
At the All-Star break, we all thought this was only a matter of time. But another epic collapse makes it an almost tragic irony. If Gardy loses his job, it will be because the team seemed to get worse as the year went along, not better. Some of that was about injuries, as TR says. But some younger players just struggle to develop under him. Plouffe, for example.

howieramone
09-30-2013, 07:25 AM
At the All-Star break, we all thought this was only a matter of time. But another epic collapse makes it an almost tragic irony. If Gardy loses his job, it will be because the team seemed to get worse as the year went along, not better. Some of that was about injuries, as TR says. But some younger players just struggle to develop under him. Plouffe, for example.

Plouffe has been in the organization since 2004. I see him ending next season in some type of utility role and gone the next. I don't know how an organization can show any more patience than the Twins have and I would be hard-pressed to blame Gardy. To me, he's just a late 1st round pick who never made it.

gunnarthor
09-30-2013, 09:04 AM
At the All-Star break, we all thought this was only a matter of time. But another epic collapse makes it an almost tragic irony. If Gardy loses his job, it will be because the team seemed to get worse as the year went along, not better. Some of that was about injuries, as TR says. But some younger players just struggle to develop under him. Plouffe, for example.

Under that logic, Gardy should get credit for the strong seasons from Dozier and Florimon.

The Gardy can't relate to kids thing is insanely over blown. Most of his teams were young guys. I think the idea that Gardy has gone stale is possible (I don't agree but it's possible) and you could argue that he's had trouble relating to Latino players (maybe). Both would be valid reasons (if you believe them) to go in a new direction next year. But a general idea that young players don't develop under him - and citing a guy like Plouffe as the example - is iffy.

gunnarthor
09-30-2013, 09:08 AM
Honestly. Is that even possible? Our calculations must be off. 2-19 in his last 21 playoff games. In the history of the game, is there any managerial stat of futility that even compares to that?

It's almost like they changed the post season set up sometime in the last century. For most of baseball's history, only the 06 and 10 teams would have even made the post season.

cmathewson
09-30-2013, 09:17 AM
Under that logic, Gardy should get credit for the strong seasons from Dozier and Florimon.

The Gardy can't relate to kids thing is insanely over blown. Most of his teams were young guys. I think the idea that Gardy has gone stale is possible (I don't agree but it's possible) and you could argue that he's had trouble relating to Latino players (maybe). Both would be valid reasons (if you believe them) to go in a new direction next year. But a general idea that young players don't develop under him - and citing a guy like Plouffe as the example - is iffy.

I do think he should get credit for Dozier and Florimon, though I wouldn't call Florimon's season "strong". It was a little better than what you'd expect. Dozier strongly exceeded expectations. He was the only player who needed to take the next step and did. Aaron Hicks, Chris Parmelee, and Kyle Gibson were notable failures. Add Scott Diamond, Trevor Plouffe, and Vance Worely to the list of guys who seriously underperformed their projections.

When you have that many guys who fail, a couple of better than expected seasons don't overcome that.

howieramone
09-30-2013, 09:36 AM
I do think he should get credit for Dozier and Florimon, though I wouldn't call Florimon's season "strong". It was a little better than what you'd expect. Dozier strongly exceeded expectations. He was the only player who needed to take the next step and did. Aaron Hicks, Chris Parmelee, and Kyle Gibson were notable failures. Add Scott Diamond, Trevor Plouffe, and Vance Worely to the list of guys who seriously underperformed their projections.

When you have that many guys who fail, a couple of better than expected seasons don't overcome that.With Hicks and Gibson, I'm not sure what the difference is between a rookie having a tough time of it in his first exposure to the bigs and a notable failure. Parmelee is a late 1st round pick, who may or not be big league caliber. I have no idea how you can blame this on Gardy.

gunnarthor
09-30-2013, 09:54 AM
I do think he should get credit for Dozier and Florimon, though I wouldn't call Florimon's season "strong". It was a little better than what you'd expect. Dozier strongly exceeded expectations. He was the only player who needed to take the next step and did. Aaron Hicks, Chris Parmelee, and Kyle Gibson were notable failures. Add Scott Diamond, Trevor Plouffe, and Vance Worely to the list of guys who seriously underperformed their projections.

When you have that many guys who fail, a couple of better than expected seasons don't overcome that.

Right now, Parmelee's a AAAA guy, is that b/c of his talent level or Gardy? If we blame him for a guy like Parmelee not making it (when he probably shouldn't make it) do we then give him credit for a guy like Mauer? Hicks had an expected season, Gibson was disappointing but it was also his first year back from TJ surgery. He'll be fine. Plouffe and Diamond played to their talent level. Worley was disappointing.

It's hard to figure out how much a manager should or shouldn't get blamed on young players development. But on the whole, I think Gardy's a positive. I think if you go over all his teams, you'll see that young players always played big roles on the team. (In 06, for example, Gardy rode Boof down the end and put Mijares in the big set up roles).

TheLeviathan
09-30-2013, 09:59 AM
Good for Gardy, like him or not it's a rare achievement.

iastfan112
09-30-2013, 10:08 AM
I know this thread is tongue in cheek but if this descends into another pointless Gardy-bashing thread, it's going to be locked and infractions will be handed out.

How many of these until we get demerits?

TheLeviathan
09-30-2013, 10:10 AM
How many of these until we get demerits?

You just landed on double secret probation for that.

Oldgoat_MN
09-30-2013, 11:21 AM
I think the problem is the whole coaching staff. Anderson's great years exactly mirror the years Santana was with the club.

Parmelee went to AAA and was mediocre. That is not the Parms of 2012. We need that guy back, because that guy could almost certainly be a big league hitter. I'm not a batting coach, but Dozier seems to be the only one who really made adjustments and improved markedly this year.

I like Bruno and am not calling for his head, but I do believe that Parms, Colabello and Plouffe could all be serious MLB batters with the right guidance. I also realize that some guys are never going to produce above AAA, but I suspect that 2 of these 3 guys will before they retire.

cmathewson
09-30-2013, 12:58 PM
With Hicks and Gibson, I'm not sure what the difference is between a rookie having a tough time of it in his first exposure to the bigs and a notable failure. Parmelee is a late 1st round pick, who may or not be big league caliber. I have no idea how you can blame this on Gardy.

Gardy can't make mediocre guys good. But he can assess talent and avoid putting it into positions that ultimately hurt the team. Parmelee was given the starting job out of spring training. That was a mistake, and Gardy deserves some of the blame for it.

We can't say developing guys is his strong suit. He can manage guys who have already developed. In rare cases, he has assisted in their development. Most of the time, he's slowed it or stunted it. I could go into a litany of players, but the poster child is Michael Cuddyer. Parmelee is not at that level, but he's in the same ballpark.