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Cody Christie
09-26-2013, 08:50 AM
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SpitefulRabbit617
09-26-2013, 09:35 AM
I'd rather see Liam hendricks have another chance....... with the Astros or Marlins.

mike wants wins
09-26-2013, 10:03 AM
keep him around, but don't assume he'll be one of the top 5.

IdahoPilgrim
09-26-2013, 11:12 AM
There seems to be an implicit theme here that Hendriks hasn't been given a fair shot. I would disagree with that. If we want to give him another chance that's fine, but at some point a decision has to be made yes or no, and then we all move on.

Same thing applies to Duensing & Swarzak.

Jeff A
09-26-2013, 11:17 AM
I think the Twins would've been better served to put Hendriks in the rotation all year (assuming he wasn't hurt from the beginning) and see what happened, since they weren't going anywhere anyway. It appears to me, though, that the Twins have already decided that Hendriks is not going to be an effective big-league pitcher. Given that, I'd like to see them give him a chance to go elsewhere.

KGB
09-26-2013, 11:40 AM
I don't see any reason to cut ties with Hendriks. We have plenty of room on the 40 man roster and he only 1 year older than our top pitching prospects Meyer/May who have not pitched above AA. Also after 3-90 lost season, hard to believe we will not have a different coaching staff. Maybe someone else can get through to him.

Kwak
09-26-2013, 12:07 PM
This subject was thrashed-out not long ago in a thread--and what has changed? Hendriks wasn't rushed--he was misdeveloped. Instead of learning how to get strikeouts he required to just "pound the strikezone" with the purpose of low pitch-counts per plate appearance--PtoC. Sadly, though this philosophy works very well in the minors it fails at the major league level. Hendriks is just another of Twins'-developed pitchers that looked very good in the minors--but ultimately failed at the major league level. There is nothing the Twins can do to "help" him.

ericchri
09-26-2013, 12:41 PM
A part of me wants to see Hendriks get another chance cause he seems like a good guy who could still develop into a serviceable pitcher.

I've kinda reached the point, however, where I'd really like to see the Twins actually wash a few guys like this out of their system. Not because you don't need some AAAA fill-ins available to you, but because we're swimming in them right now, and I'd prefer to move on looking for guys with more overall talent. He's had chances and done little with them, I'm ready for somebody else to get their chance to sink or swim who hasn't gotten multiple chances already.

adjacent
09-26-2013, 12:47 PM
I would say it depends on the pitching that the Twins get in the offseason. If we get decent pitching either via free agency or trade, then no. If we get again the Jason Marquis of the world, I'd rather see Hendricks than one of those.

Highabove
09-26-2013, 12:50 PM
wins
2 win 11 loss lowest ERA 5.59 2012

He's had his chances.

raindog
09-26-2013, 01:15 PM
I wouldn't say he deserves another chance, but I'd give him one. At least give him the opportunity to make the squad out of spring training. I don't expect much, but he's young and been successfully in AAA. He'd be on a short leash, though.

cmathewson
09-26-2013, 01:39 PM
I think the Twins would've been better served to put Hendriks in the rotation all year (assuming he wasn't hurt from the beginning) and see what happened, since they weren't going anywhere anyway. It appears to me, though, that the Twins have already decided that Hendriks is not going to be an effective big-league pitcher. Given that, I'd like to see them give him a chance to go elsewhere.

14 pitchers is what would have happened.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
09-26-2013, 03:10 PM
Only reason he should get a chance is if there is no one better. He's still young, but I don't see how he could improve. Ultimately the coaching failed as Kwak pointed out. I'm not angry at Hendriks one bit.

Thrylos
09-26-2013, 05:08 PM
Minnesota needs some semblance of a starting rotation for next season and there aren't any sure bets on the free agent market.

Not sure who started this suburban fairy tale (must have been Terry Ryan), but it is totally unsubstantiated.

(copy and paste)

Tim Lincecum
Matt Garza
Dan Haren
Ricky Nolasco
Josh Johnson
Ervin Santana

and possibly (they have options) :

James Shields
Ubaldo Jimenez
Jon Lester

Plus the oldies, but all of these guys are relatively young.

You can build two very good rotations with those guys, unlike last season

(end copy and paste)

As far as Hendriks is concerned, I'd rather see May and Meyer and Gibson internally first and (because he is young) let him pitch in Rochester until he improves his stuff...

jimbo92107
09-26-2013, 07:54 PM
Maybe Hendriks should do what Swarzak and Duensing have done - spend one or more seasons building a foundation of good stuff in the bullpen, then try to transition to the starting rotation. Guys that don't have devastating stuff need time to hone their skills against major league hitters, but at first it's better to work on getting just a few guys out per appearance. This used to be normal in pro baseball.

clutterheart
09-26-2013, 08:20 PM
He was a GB pitcher in 2011 & 2012 but he hasn't been able to repeat that. He doesn't seem to have a SO pitch and has questionable control. Reminds me of Nick Blackburn.

Hendricks is a AAA pitcher. He could put together a decent year here or there but he is not to be counted on. Since the current 40 man has many pieces that could be unloaded, there is no reason to rush a decision on him.

But to say he "deserves" anything at this point seems to be a stretch of the definition of "deserve."

Alex
09-26-2013, 08:46 PM
I would disagree with that. If we want to give him another chance that's fine, but at some point a decision has to be made yes or no, and then we all move on.

Same thing applies to Duensing & Swarzak.

There's a difference between these two and Hendriks -- Swarzak is 28, Duensing is 30. (Heck, Kyle Gibson is older than he is) .Hendriks is 24 has the equivalent of one full major league season under his belt. I'm not saying he'll be an ace, but I think it's a bit early to cut ties. I'd like to see if he can figure it out next year.

MarshalltheIrish
09-26-2013, 09:46 PM
Couldn't disagree more, time to move on without him. Not to dump on him solely, but the Twins absolutely need a fresh start roster-wise next year and it's time to either demote or let go of a good number of players and I think he's definitely one. Hendriks has had his chances and he's just been a disappointment. With the need for a much stronger pitching staff next year stronger than ever, there just isn't any room to have him in the rotation. Like others have said above, if he can hone his skills in the bullpen or even find his role there like Duensing and Swarzak have, that would be fantastic. Only then will he deserve another chance. The ideal 2014 rotation in my opinion would be three free agent starters (admittedly optimistic, but still), Correia, and perhaps Deduno if he's healthy.

ltwedt
09-27-2013, 12:54 PM
A chance????? AAAAAAKKKKKK NO HE DOES NOT!!! And neither do Correia, Pelfry, Walters, or De Vries.

diehardtwinsfan
09-28-2013, 06:54 AM
Not sure who started this suburban fairy tale (must have been Terry Ryan), but it is totally unsubstantiated.

(copy and paste)

Tim Lincecum
Matt Garza
Dan Haren
Ricky Nolasco
Josh Johnson
Ervin Santana

and possibly (they have options) :

James Shields
Ubaldo Jimenez
Jon Lester

Plus the oldies, but all of these guys are relatively young.

You can build two very good rotations with those guys, unlike last season

(end copy and paste)

As far as Hendriks is concerned, I'd rather see May and Meyer and Gibson internally first and (because he is young) let him pitch in Rochester until he improves his stuff...

The comment was that there weren't any sure bets in the FA market. I don't know you consider Linci, Haren, Nolasco, and Johnson (though his problem is more health related) a sure bet by any means. Even Santana wasn't a sure bet coming into the season. You could sign 5 of those guys and still field a team that is below .500.

raindog
09-28-2013, 08:39 AM
Yeah, I don't think you could build one good rotation out of those candidates. Better than what the Twins have, but that's not saying much.

Jeff A
09-28-2013, 10:10 AM
14 pitchers is what would have happened.

What? You're telling me the Twins' rotation was so incredibly awesome this year that there's absolutely no way they could've found starts for Hendriks? Come on.

Oxtung
09-29-2013, 07:56 PM
Many of you have mentioned that he has had his chances and he needs to go. I assume that applies to all the other random pitchers the Twins have trotted out recently like De Vries, Pelfrey, Walters and perhaps Worley as well. The Twins will have Correia and Gibson in the rotation with, presumably a spot for a left hander, one of Albers, Diamond, Hernandez, Darnell. That leaves 2 (or potentially 3 if you think they'll go without a lefty) spots open. Realistically the Twins aren't going to sign anyone good (sorry Thyrlos). Would you rather have Pelfrey/Correia/Marquis make those starts instead of Hendriks? Bring May or Meyer up straight from AA? I don't see many better alternatives that Ryan would consider acceptable.

IMO at the very least he should be given a chance out of the bullpen.

OldManWinter
09-29-2013, 10:44 PM
What is there to lose?

If he left and managed to mature into a winning pitcher, then the fan base would really jump on Twins management.