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Cody Christie
09-14-2013, 07:51 AM
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MichiganTwins
09-14-2013, 11:27 AM
I dont think we should give up on hicks at all. He has got a lot of talent and my bet is he starts to contribute next season but maybe not at the start.

Brandon
09-14-2013, 12:00 PM
I wonder if he can still be a great SP prospect with his 97 MPH fastball instead of OF

Rosterman
09-14-2013, 12:40 PM
Man, what a year. Mastro nd Benson could've put themselves into the mix early, even Ramirez was a possibility. But ended up with Hicks.

He batted lead-off for that first month and was dismal. He was moved back in the order. He needed to go down at that point. I'm not sure why he didn't.

Clete Thoams got the call and shined, then became...Clete Thomas. Another guy who could've run away with the position.

Hicks came back. But he couldn't out Clete Clete.

At this point, the service time bunny appeared. It should continue with Hicks starting anew at AAA Rochester in 2014 rather than learn in the majors. I can't believe that Presley will be our starting centerfielder.

Hicks will continue to develop. He may not be the centerfielder of the future, but putting him at one of the corners with hit Buxton in center is a plus. Batting him second (if he cuts downs on the K's) behind Buxton may prove to be the best 1-2 in baseball, especially with Mauer continuing in the #3 spot.

Like September, spring training you face a multitude of pitchers of different skill levels. Batters tend to be ahead of pitchers. The weather is nice. It can be more relaxed.

MichiganTwins
09-14-2013, 05:16 PM
Yeah I really like Hicks too. He has got mad skill and he will show it.

Danchat
09-14-2013, 05:53 PM
I think the key for Hicks is to forget this year and refocus for 2014. There isn't anywhere to go but up for him. (Well, I guess there is Mendoza line and the Butera line...)

I hope he can cut those strikeouts. Our batting coach needs to teach to hit for contact. Unfortunately it seems to be the other way around currently. Our pitchers are throwing for contact and our batters are swinging to miss...

Marta Shearing
09-14-2013, 07:09 PM
Didnt gardy recently make a snyde comment about hicks that ended up on twitter? Maybe the biggest change hicks needs is a manager who wont throw him under the bus. This kid is crazy talented, and I'd much sooner watch him take his lumps rather than watch a no talent bum like Pressley. But he's scrappy and he gets after it. Blah blah blah.

Marta Shearing
09-14-2013, 07:10 PM
For starters, hicks needs to scrap switch hitting.

diehardtwinsfan
09-14-2013, 07:50 PM
I think he starts in Rochester and remains there till he earned it. I'm hoping he doesn't have the slow start thing again given that was facing much tougher talent in the big leagues. In his defense, he did end his season on a high note, and I hope he gets off to a great start and forces his way back. In the mean time, Presley gets the starting CF job and a chance to prove if he can stay. If they both hit well, there's a potential trade chip in there.

Shane Wahl
09-15-2013, 12:35 AM
I responded to this blog post a few days ago, but will summarize here:

There is nothing that shocking whatsoever about Aaron Hicks' season. What, Shane?

April: How many players in recent baseball history have jumped a level and then been asked to bat leadoff for the MLB team? I have asked that before and I don't think I got an answer.

The rest of the season: Aaron Hicks has never been a fast adjuster upon promotion. In 2012 he did do very well in New Britain, but if I remember correctly, he started out slow there and it was only after being down in the lineup for awhile and THEN getting put up at the top of the NB lineup that he ended up going off. He has always been slow in even normal step-by-step movements up the system.

His post-April numbers are not at all that surprising given B, and the April numbers are terrible, but really not completely surprising either.

The attitude towards Hicks around here is what is surprising though. It's as though people are ignoring his entire minor league career. And ignoring the fact that he was thrust into a ridiculous situation to begin with this season.

jokin
09-15-2013, 01:34 AM
I responded to this blog post a few days ago, but will summarize here:

There is nothing that shocking whatsoever about Aaron Hicks' season. What, Shane?

April: How many players in recent baseball history have jumped a level and then been asked to bat leadoff for the MLB team? I have asked that before and I don't think I got an answer.

The rest of the season: Aaron Hicks has never been a fast adjuster upon promotion. In 2012 he did do very well in New Britain, but if I remember correctly, he started out slow there and it was only after being down in the lineup for awhile and THEN getting put up at the top of the NB lineup that he ended up going off. He has always been slow in even normal step-by-step movements up the system.

His post-April numbers are not at all that surprising given B, and the April numbers are terrible, but really not completely surprising either.

The attitude towards Hicks around here is what is surprising though. It's as though people are ignoring his entire minor league career. And ignoring the fact that he was thrust into a ridiculous situation to begin with this season.

It turns out that that the ones who really found this all that mysterious and were blindly ignoring all the warning signs from Hicks' minor league career were the Skipper, who strongly advocated for Hicks back in January:


"But as I told Terry, when all these things were going on -- Span and then Revere -- we talked about it, if he trades this guy, what are you going to do here? ... If he trades both of them, what are you going to do?"The one thing I asked Terry, I just want to make sure that Aaron Hicks has the opportunity to come into spring training -- if we trade Span, and we end up trading Revere too, and this was (said) way before (those trades) -- I said I want the opportunity to give him a shot at my centerfield job."



And the former Executive of the Year:


The guy has earned it [Starting in CF and leading off]. I find it almost humorous that people are talking about service time, starting the clock. We didn't trade Span and Revere to stall the next guy. ... I can't ever feel guilt about stopping a guy that deserves to be there..............
Are we trying to win, or what are we doing? Can you imagine if we sent somebody [down] that did what the kid did? [Here Ryan is referring to Hicks' performance in 20 spring training games], and I had to look at Willingham and Morneau and Perkins and Mauer and those guys that are trying to win, and I'm going to stop that guy? I just don't believe in that. I hear this stuff. Not here.

They both qualified their statements later on in their interviews, but why didn't the media press them on where the back-up plans were in CF and batting leadoff? Because they had no legitimate back-up plans for both those roles (Mastro was not a legitimate alternative as a starting CF, even before his injury), this is squarely on both of them.

Shane Wahl
09-15-2013, 09:05 AM
Yeah, that's a pretty clear indictment of both of them. I do not expect anything different from Gardenhire since he is, you know . . . I won't say it. But from TR it is a bit strange. It tells me that they really think of AA has Majors-Light or something. And that's dumb. I remember at the winter meeting Ryan indicating that even Benson was a contender.

The big thing to me was the leadoff situation. I wouldn't have been so bothered with a healthy Mastro in CF for awhile . . . if he batted 8th. They just had no leadoff hitter (probably should have gone wild and crazy and put Mauer there).

Oldgoat_MN
09-15-2013, 10:40 AM
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This kid is crazy talented, and I'd much sooner watch him take his lumps rather than watch a no talent bum like Pressley. ...

Wow. You realize that in the last 3 years Presley has never been as bad as Hicks has been this year, right?

Just because you have confidence in Hicks doesn't automatically make anyone else at his position a 'no talent bum'. Presley can keep the position warm until someone comes along and wins it on merit rather than promise.

glunn
09-15-2013, 05:20 PM
... This kid is crazy talented, and I'd much sooner watch him take his lumps rather than watch a no talent bum like Pressley....

Moderator note --

It is a violation of TD policy to call a player a "no talent bum." You are free to comment on a player's lack of talent or performance, but "no talent bum" crosses the line into insult territory and trolling.

Please be more respectful and less inflammatory.

Alex
09-15-2013, 05:57 PM
In Nick Nelson's article about calling Hicks up, I mentioned a major red flag. There were other concerns but for me it was his strikeout levels. He's never struck out less than once every five PAs and I thought that was a massive signal he wasn't ready, especially a player with his skillset.

At best, he'd be comparable, but jumping two levels it was far more likely that he'd end up striking out more -- and not just more a lot more. This turned out to be the case and in the majors, he struck out once nearly every three times at the plate.

So, I'd agree with Shane that it wasn't as shocking or mysterious.

orangevening
09-15-2013, 06:33 PM
With Mastro's injury and Benson's flame out the Twins had little choice. Easy to criticize now, but what choice did they have especially after his spring training performance?. Gardy is stubborn (one of his major faults) and is stuck on putting CF, SS, or 2nd in leadoff especially with Span and Reverre setting up the line up the years before. Gardy hated giving up Morneau, but getting a CF that can leadoff made him happy.

Alex
09-15-2013, 06:44 PM
With Mastro's injury and Benson's flame out the Twins had little choice. Easy to criticize now, but what choice did they have especially after his spring training performance?. Gardy is stubborn (one of his major faults) and is stuck on putting CF, SS, or 2nd in leadoff especially with Span and Reverre setting up the line up the years before. Gardy hated giving up Morneau, but getting a CF that can leadoff made him happy.

Easy to criticize now? A lot of us were criticizing it at the time.

We've seen plenty of examples where spring training numbers don't matter and don't show anything, and certainly shouldn't be valued over a much larger sample like minor league performance. I also think they were planning on starting him regardless -- unless he was horrible.

They had Clete Thomas and Antoan Richardson in the minors. There was no real reason they HAD to go with Hicks from the start, nor was there a reason they had to stay with him as long as they did. They could have gone with them for a month until they were sure Hicks would be ready.

EDIT: I realize maybe you're referring to leadoff, that was a bigger team construction issue. They had a ton of unproven hitters in the lineup and very few on base guys that would fit there (and not in the middle of the order). Additionally, If Gardy is so stuck in his ways about lineup construction, I'm definitely ready for someone else's new approach.

peterb18
09-15-2013, 06:51 PM
There was an old adage in baseball, and I think it applies to Hicks. "Can he hit the Curve Ball"--many great athletes could not overcome this. I think this is the key to his advancement. And hitting the curve is not an easy thing.

Marta Shearing
09-15-2013, 07:05 PM
Wow. You realize that in the last 3 years
Presley has never been as bad as Hicks has been this year, right?

Just because you have confidence in Hicks doesn't automatically make anyone else at his position a 'no talent bum'. Presley can keep the position warm until someone comes along and wins it on merit rather than promise.

He's jason tyner. He's a low ceiling 4th outfielder. Mediocrity. The type of player gardy seems to love.

orangevening
09-15-2013, 08:00 PM
They had Clete Thomas and Antoan Richardson in the minors.

Thank you for proving my point futher

snepp
09-15-2013, 08:29 PM
He's jason tyner. He's a low ceiling 4th outfielder. Mediocrity.

Presley is a much better player than Tyner ever was.

Alex
09-15-2013, 08:52 PM
Thank you for proving my point futher

The point was both could easily hold a spot for a month or two and certainly wouldn't have been worse than Hicks. They also could have signed someone -- they had the money to do so. In the end, they went with a combination of Thomas and, sometimes, Wilkin Ramirez. Definitely not a winning combination but it was better than Hicks and had they not locked themselves into Hicks, they certainly could have had better options.

If you still think that calling Hicks up was the right move over that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

howieramone
09-15-2013, 09:02 PM
One of the major complaints of most fans is prospects are moved too slowly. I thought it was great they threw caution to the wind and gave him a chance. Hicks and not incidentally Gibson, have merely used up one of their nine lives. Nothing has been permanently decided. For what it's worth, BA predicted Hicks would be the opening day centerfielder in 2012.

orangevening
09-15-2013, 09:13 PM
The point was both could easily hold a spot for a month or two and certainly wouldn't have been worse than Hicks. They also could have signed someone -- they had the money to do so. In the end, they went with a combination of Thomas and, sometimes, Wilkin Ramirez. Definitely not a winning combination but it was better than Hicks and had they not locked themselves into Hicks, they certainly could have had better options.

If you still think that calling Hicks up was the right move over that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Please find me anyone, ANYONE who was clamoring for Thomas, Richardson or Ramirez to start in CF over Hicks right after spring training. Yes, people were of the opinion that we shouldn't start Hicks arb time and yes they wanted him to win the job in spring training (and he did). My point is that their decision was easy from their (the FO) point of view. They weren't going to sign a free agent CF and the nobody considered the above players (was Richardson even with the organization then?) a option. Maybe they *should* have, but they were not.

Alex
09-15-2013, 09:14 PM
One of the major complaints of most fans is prospects are moved too slowly. I thought it was great they threw caution to the wind and gave him a chance. Hicks and not incidentally Gibson, have merely used up one of their nine lives. Nothing has been permanently decided. For what it's worth, BA predicted Hicks would be the opening day centerfielder in 2012.

We aren't talking about a prospect that was tearing up every level he'd been at. Even the season after his promotion was good, not dominating. As for BA, predicting who would be the opening day CF and what the Twins should have done are two different things. I think most people understood, the way the the front office was putting out information and talking about Hicks, even before spring training, that he was the front-runner.

Alex
09-15-2013, 09:19 PM
Please find me anyone, ANYONE who was clamoring for Thomas, Richardson or Ramirez to start in CF over Hicks right after spring training. Yes, people were of the opinion that we shouldn't start Hicks arb time and yes they wanted him to win the job in spring training (and he did). My point is that their decision was easy from their (the FO) point of view. They weren't going to sign a free agent CF and the nobody considered the above players (was Richardson even with the organization then?) a option. Maybe they *should* have, but they were not.

We're talking about two different things then, what they would have done (and did do) and what they should have done and why we are talking over each other.

I think most people, who didn't want Hicks to start in CF, would have preferred they put Mastro out there (prior to injury) or sign a filler, but I did hear Clete Thomas bantered around as a place holder. Then when Hicks struggled and continued to do so, Richardson could have been an option, but no, he wasn't mentioned as an option that I saw earlier.

You're correct that from a front office POV, and how they make decisions, that Hicks was going to be the CF and that they weren't going to add anyone. Like I said in my post above, predicting the Twins choice is different than arguing it was the right one.

jokin
09-15-2013, 10:32 PM
With Mastro's injury and Benson's flame out the Twins had little choice. Easy to criticize now, but what choice did they have especially after his spring training performance?. Gardy is stubborn (one of his major faults) and is stuck on putting CF, SS, or 2nd in leadoff especially with Span and Reverre setting up the line up the years before. Gardy hated giving up Morneau, but getting a CF that can leadoff made him happy.

That something as trivial as the mark that Presley will end up making for the entirety of his Twin career would "make Gardy happy" says volumes about the state of the the club. The Twins should have been working full-time on signing or trading for a legitimate back-up plan as a lead off hitter and center fielder from the day they moved Span and Revere. To have such critical aspects so important to a team's potential for success to both be manned by someone coming from AA, someone who has demonstrably struggled moving up just one level, and then having no legitimate, major-league-experience alternatives positioned as back-up when he inevitably faltered, is malfeasance. Both Gardy and Ryan were on record endorsing this very plan.

Shane Wahl
09-15-2013, 11:46 PM
One of the major complaints of most fans is prospects are moved too slowly. I thought it was great they threw caution to the wind and gave him a chance. Hicks and not incidentally Gibson, have merely used up one of their nine lives. Nothing has been permanently decided. For what it's worth, BA predicted Hicks would be the opening day centerfielder in 2012.

They often have moved them slowly. This was demonstrably true through 2009, at least. This, I think, has more to do with the lower levels. The Twins seem to have the idea that AAA is pretty much a waste of time, which is the opposite end of the spectrum.

Shane Wahl
09-15-2013, 11:49 PM
Also, Hicks may have been fairly fine if he didn't have to start out him MLB career as the leadoff hitter. It demanded that he take more pitches and this was at a time when his pitch recognition and everything was obviously not going to be ready for such a position. So he took more strikes, got behind, and got in trouble.

Marta Shearing
09-16-2013, 04:54 AM
Bringing Hicks north was the right thing to do. It just didnt work. I still think he'll be a great player.

Marta Shearing
09-16-2013, 04:57 AM
Where they screwed up was:

1. Batting him leadoff
2. Not having a backup plan
3. Not calling him up in Sept 2012 to get his feet wet.
4. Not learning their lesson and making the same mistake with Sano this year.

orangevening
09-16-2013, 07:53 AM
Where they screwed up was:

1. Batting him leadoff
2. Not having a backup plan
3. Not calling him up in Sept 2012 to get his feet wet.
4. Not learning their lesson and making the same mistake with Sano this year.

Totally agree.

Badsmerf
09-16-2013, 08:18 AM
Where they screwed up was:

1. Batting him leadoff
2. Not having a backup plan
3. Not calling him up in Sept 2012 to get his feet wet.
4. Not learning their lesson and making the same mistake with Sano this year.

Where they screwed up is starting him in the MLB. At this point, it is pretty clear he wasn't ready. I can't fathom how the excuse about batting lead-off is being agreed upon so readily. It is slightly more pressure, but the guy has been hitting leadoff his whole life, that is what is comfortable. His struggles were due to his poor contact rate (which the Twins already know about) and his terrible inability to switch hit.

I'm not ready to say he'll be a great player. I hope he will. If he was hitting RH every AB I might say that, but at this point I'm not convinced he can switch hit well enough to even be an MLB starter, nonetheless a great player. As shown by his .650 OPS in AAA (albeit in 72 AB's), he isn't killing it there either.

Patience is going to be a key with Hicks. He might take a few years of bouncing between Twins and AAA to finally get it. He should start learning LF or RF, as Buxton will start in AA next year and might push his way to the Twins by August.

Marta Shearing
09-16-2013, 08:32 AM
Gotta put his cannon arm in RF.

Badsmerf
09-16-2013, 11:34 AM
Gotta put his cannon arm in RF.
I agree with you, but Gardy has gone on record saying Acria is a better RF than LF.

mike wants wins
09-16-2013, 12:10 PM
I thought he'd be a mediocre hitter, and great fielder. He was worse at both than I had hoped, and been led to believe. I think he can be good, but I have my doubts. I really don't know what to expect now. I think it is bunk that hitting him leadoff was too much pressure, but I suppose it is possible.

Shane Wahl
09-16-2013, 03:26 PM
Where they screwed up is starting him in the MLB. At this point, it is pretty clear he wasn't ready. I can't fathom how the excuse about batting lead-off is being agreed upon so readily. It is slightly more pressure, but the guy has been hitting leadoff his whole life, that is what is comfortable. His struggles were due to his poor contact rate (which the Twins already know about) and his terrible inability to switch hit.

I'm not ready to say he'll be a great player. I hope he will. If he was hitting RH every AB I might say that, but at this point I'm not convinced he can switch hit well enough to even be an MLB starter, nonetheless a great player. As shown by his .650 OPS in AAA (albeit in 72 AB's), he isn't killing it there either.

Patience is going to be a key with Hicks. He might take a few years of bouncing between Twins and AAA to finally get it. He should start learning LF or RF, as Buxton will start in AA next year and might push his way to the Twins by August.

He had not been "batting leadoff" his whole life. Hicks has spent a LOT of time at other spots in the order in the minors. He took off last year at AA when it was clear he was ready to move up from 3-4-5 to leadoff.

Do you disagree that batting elsewhere in the lineup would have afforded him the opportunity to be more aggressive? A lot of minor leaguers come up and are aggressive or get eaten up. It happened to Herrmann in 2012 at the end of the season when he was not aggressive.

Alex
09-16-2013, 03:34 PM
I thought he'd be a mediocre hitter, and great fielder. He was worse at both than I had hoped, and been led to believe. I think he can be good, but I have my doubts. I really don't know what to expect now. I think it is bunk that hitting him leadoff was too much pressure, but I suppose it is possible.

While I could understand that it adds some pressure, I don't think it's the difference in his season. Some mentioned that he changed his approach because he was batting leadoff, but he always took a lot of pitches (his high OBP was indicative of that)

I read a scouting report on him (and I looked again and can't find it, maybe someone else knows the source) regarding his minor league time that a reason for his high strikeout rate was that he takes too many good pitches. He was getting himself into holes in the count and, at least there, iirc, the scout mentioned he was also taking a lot of borderline strikes and getting called out in an attempt to get the walk. So in the end, his greatest strength was also what was causing his K's. In the majors, that approach doesn't work as well because pitchers are more accurate and will throw you a strike until you can make them pay.

Alex
09-16-2013, 03:35 PM
He had not been "batting leadoff" his whole life. Hicks has spent a LOT of time at other spots in the order in the minors. He took off last year at AA when it was clear he was ready to move up from 3-4-5 to leadoff.

Do you disagree that batting elsewhere in the lineup would have afforded him the opportunity to be more aggressive? A lot of minor leaguers come up and are aggressive or get eaten up. It happened to Herrmann in 2012 at the end of the season when he was not aggressive.

See my above post. You may be right that he could have been more aggressive at another spot, but that was never really his approach.

I'll agree, though, that -- regardless -- placing him in the leadoff spot was just one of many of the Twins blunders with him.

Shane Wahl
09-16-2013, 04:01 PM
Yes, his track record is one of taking too many pitches. Well, doing that (and being forced to, as a leadoff hitter) and getting behind in counts when not nearly acclimated to major league pitching puts one at a disadvantage.

Without looking up the stats myself:

I wonder about Hicks' OPS on the first pitch.
I wonder about Arcia's OPS down 0-1.
I wonder about Pinto's OPS down 0-1 (even in limited PAs).

I wonder about them because it seems that Hicks was jumping on first pitches and doing things when he got "hot" (or whatever). I wonder what Arcia's numbers would be like if forced to take a strike once or twice per game, and I wonder if my suspicion about Pinto is right so far--that he is just smacking the ball around regardless.

Getting Hicks in 0-1 or 1-1 (if lucky) counts once or twice a game by design (as a leadoff hitter) when he has not had any chance to make adjustments (especially with those MLB off-speed out pitches) yet = much of the April debacle.

howieramone
09-16-2013, 04:22 PM
See my above post. You may be right that he could have been more aggressive at another spot, but that was never really his approach.

I'll agree, though, that -- regardless -- placing him in the leadoff spot was just one of many of the Twins blunders with him.But they were not blunders. Hunter, Morneau, and Cuddyer all had missteps when they first came to the bigs. I for one have no problem, when one of our top prospects has absolutely no one in front of them, and our FO takes a calculated risk. Hicks and for that matter Gibson and Arcia, are just that much more ready when their next shot comes.

LaBombo
09-16-2013, 05:13 PM
Please find me anyone, ANYONE who was clamoring for Thomas, Richardson or Ramirez to start in CF over Hicks right after spring training. Yes, people were of the opinion that we shouldn't start Hicks arb time and yes they wanted him to win the job in spring training (and he did). My point is that their decision was easy from their (the FO) point of view. They weren't going to sign a free agent CF and the nobody considered the above players (was Richardson even with the organization then?) a option. Maybe they *should* have, but they were not.

Way before way before Hicks flopped or Mastro got hurt, the mistake of not having a realistic MLB-capable CF alternative in the organization was discussed in spring training threads. And it didn't have to do with service time for Hicks, it had to do with the fact that Hicks was likely to struggle and very possibly be overmatched.

The front office blew it, and it didn't take a crystal ball to see it coming.

Alex
09-16-2013, 05:19 PM
But they were not blunders. Hunter, Morneau, and Cuddyer all had missteps when they first came to the bigs. I for one have no problem, when one of our top prospects has absolutely no one in front of them, and our FO takes a calculated risk. Hicks and for that matter Gibson and Arcia, are just that much more ready when their next shot comes.

We'll see, but let's see if those examples compare. Were any of those players called up mid-season and had as long a run of difficulty as Hicks before being sent down, not to mention skip a level of the minors?

Morneau was called up in June. Had a 115 PAs of .665 OPS before having success the following season.

Cuddyer was a Sept. callup and had just 20 PAs where he struggled. The following season .740 OPS in around 100 PAs and posted just under 100 OPS+ for the next few seasons in limited ABs before really coming into his own.

Hunter made it 20 PAs in April 1998 of OPS+ of 60. He struggled his first two seasons with OPS+ of 73 and 80 before taking off.

Sure all of them struggled in their first appearance and were even below average for a couple hundered at-bats, but none of them were as historically awful or as bad for as long as Hicks was. (OPS+ of 63 and a sub .600 OPS).

Gibson and Arcia weren't thrust into the starting lineup day and both spent time at AAA. Gibson's stint was incredibly short, 10 games. Arcia has actually been one of the better hitters on the team.

Honestly, there's no comparison between any of these players and what the front office expected from and thrust Hicks into. They are absolutely blunders both for the team and him: calling him up when he wasn't even close, leading him off, not getting a major league player who could handle the position, and keeping him up for so long.

If even these, so clearly mistakes by the FO (remember they said he was READY and put him in the leadoff spot), aren't recognized as such, I really don't see the point of continuing this discussion. I mean, I recognize that there might have been reason to support the FO to start -- that I think is a tenable position even if I disagree with it, but based on the results I don't understand how the move can be defended as the right one.

LaBombo
09-16-2013, 05:38 PM
But they were not blunders. Hunter, Morneau, and Cuddyer all had missteps when they first came to the bigs. I for one have no problem, when one of our top prospects has absolutely no one in front of them, and our FO takes a calculated risk. Hicks and for that matter Gibson and Arcia, are just that much more ready when their next shot comes.

Interesting examples. Here's their final steps toward the majors.

Morneau: Full season of AA bookended by shorter stints there. 300 PA's in AAA.

Hunter: Most of 2 seasons in AA, 17 premature MLB at bats, followed by time in AAA and AA.

Cuddyer: Two seasons and >1000 PA's in AA, 18 Sept. callup AB's in the majors. Half a season in AAA before he sniffed the bigs again.

So none of them really skipped AAA. And none of them regularly exceeded a K rate of 20% throughout the minors like Hicks.

It's usually a pretty bad idea to ask a ballplayer to keep doing something he can't do. And that's what the Twins were doing by letting Hicks continue to flail against major league pitching, for three months after it was clear he wasn't ready.

jokin
09-16-2013, 06:36 PM
I agree with you, but Gardy has gone on record saying Acria is a better RF than LF.

But that's really a distinction without a difference though, isn't it?