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SpiritofVodkaDave
09-13-2013, 04:35 PM
Per mlbtr: Seems to go against folks who say "The Twins won't spend any more money, Pohlad is cheap etc."
He says he wants some 1-2-3-4 year contracts in free agency this year and isn't afraid to spend, and like it or not he is spot on with the "Avoiding 7-8 year contracts"


Twins owner Jim Pohlad said after the team's 18-3 loss to Oakland earlier this week that the loss team's play is "embarrassing," and he will afford GM Terry Ryan with financial resources to make changes via free agency, according to Charley Walters of the St. Paul Pioneer Press (http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_24078764/shooter-now-timberwolves-ricky-rubio-impresses-flip-saunders). "We made a couple trades last year," said Pohlad. "I'm not sure that we can rely on that this year. So if we're going to do something, it's going to have to be that way (free agency)." Pohlad said he's willing to spend "any amount of money on the current year" but doesn't want to commit himself to seven- or eight-year mega contracts for free agents. He did specifically say that he wouldn't rule out two-, three- and four-year free agent contracts.

ThePuck
09-13-2013, 04:41 PM
I'm more of a show me don't tell me kind of guy. We've been told all sorts of things in the past that didn't come to fruition. If they follow through, that will be great.

TheLeviathan
09-13-2013, 04:46 PM
Well, yeah, of course he will say that. Time to start revving the PR for retaining season ticket holders.

Whether it comes true is another matter entirely.

diehardtwinsfan
09-13-2013, 04:51 PM
I would hope they'd make an exception on the years for a Tanaka or Abreau type contract.

MichiganTwins
09-13-2013, 04:54 PM
I think they have to start spending. The attendance is getting really bad.

notoriousgod71
09-13-2013, 05:50 PM
Pelfrey 8 yrs. Make it happen!

Cc-twinsball
09-13-2013, 05:53 PM
I think all indications will continue to point towards the twins going hard after Tanaka and Abreu. they have the financials. 2015/2016 years we are aiming to contend in. Both the player I noted above are players that are young and fit what we need. They have to go get it now.

Highabove
09-13-2013, 05:55 PM
" Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

Herb Brooks 1980

Cc-twinsball
09-13-2013, 05:56 PM
I think Tanaka can go with a post fee of 38mil. Contract of 6yr/45.
Abreu can get sealed with 6yr/63mil.

iastfan112
09-13-2013, 06:28 PM
I'm willing to believe that, thing is, most really good players don't want a short term deal, they want that long term deal that protects them from injury and decrease in performance. With relatively short term deals all you are going to get in guys who can't do any better. They still could be quality players like Orlando Hudson or Josh Willingham but they will come with their own shares of warts as well.

clutterheart
09-13-2013, 06:31 PM
Easy to say. Hard to do

diehardtwinsfan
09-13-2013, 06:34 PM
I think all indications will continue to point towards the twins going hard after Tanaka and Abreu. they have the financials. 2015/2016 years we are aiming to contend in. Both the player I noted above are players that are young and fit what we need. They have to go get it now.

Both? I highly doubt it. Maybe 1, but history says they won't go hard after either. I hope I'm wrong.

Cc-twinsball
09-13-2013, 06:43 PM
Highly doubt both. But they both fit what we need. Just need to take a shot. Attendance would be up, it'd create a buzz. Abreu is what some scouts say to be the best hitter to come out of Cuba. That's sayin alot. Tanaka, is a minimum no.3 starter. With upside to be a no. 1. Ill dish out that kind of money to both. We have it to.

ChiTownTwinsFan
09-13-2013, 07:26 PM
Both? I highly doubt it. Maybe 1, but history says they won't go hard after either. I hope I'm wrong.

They might go after both, and yeah, I want to hope for one, but in the end, I think they will get 'outbid' for both. At least that will be the story line. But ... we'll see.

howieramone
09-13-2013, 07:43 PM
Highly doubt both. But they both fit what we need. Just need to take a shot. Attendance would be up, it'd create a buzz. Abreu is what some scouts say to be the best hitter to come out of Cuba. That's sayin alot. Tanaka, is a minimum no.3 starter. With upside to be a no. 1. Ill dish out that kind of money to both. We have it to.

I may be wrong but I don't believe Abreu is a target of the Twins. I haven't seen his name linked with ours. I think Doogie Wolfson tweeted we thought he was overrated. Looks like the Giants are going all out. Once again, I am only guessing.

Cc-twinsball
09-13-2013, 07:47 PM
I just feel like it might be a different story this offseason. We didn't spend last year with all the money coming off the books. Now there are players on the market with profiles that fit our holes. Were 3 years from contention. Lets just get it done

kydoty
09-13-2013, 08:15 PM
Pohlad "Willing to spend any amount of money on a current year contract"

Laugh track - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk)

notoriousgod71
09-13-2013, 08:52 PM
" Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

Herb Brooks 1980

"Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on me again."

George W Bush

Winston Smith
09-13-2013, 09:08 PM
"I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, 'Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again!'"
GWB

old nurse
09-13-2013, 09:43 PM
Forbes said on one of their recent valuations that the average revenue per fan for the Twins is $50. If attendance continues at 25000 per game that would lose 44 million in revenue. If ratings drops because the Twins are bad, there goes more revenue as the Pohlads own the radio station. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

darin617
09-13-2013, 09:50 PM
So this means the payroll will be $70-80M way to go out and spend the big bucks. They are all talk and there will be absolutely nobody signed who ranks in the top 30 free agents.

Rosterman
09-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Well, did they sign the majority of their draft picks. I believe so, step one done.

Did they actively play in the International market with budgeted funds this year, possibly not.

Did they jettison dead weight like Willingham when given the opportunity, holding out for what? Not to mention Pelfry. Maybe even Doumit. Just freeing up current big contracts and reinvesting that money in others would be a step forward. Sometimes you bite the bullet and don't look for a prospect fleecing on-top of getting rid of salary, but only if you reinvest that salary.

Do they spend to keep their own free agents. Humm. Seems not. Unless they make a ridiculous offer to Pelfry, a player will sign with someone that is showing contention above and beyond having Mauer in the line-up, or if the Twins do offer that multi-year contract that they can't get elsewhere, again, for a tidy sum.

The Twins have to put on a good nface by having top-flight management, field personnel and show that they are spending not jsut for the short-term, but in a way that their internal prospects will also possibly (never a given) shine.

They must also put buts in the seats. Right now, Pohlad is walking around the stadium and seeing it staffed with concessions and ushers for a crowd of 20,000+ (which you have to, the tickets are sold) but actually seeing 12-14,000 butts in the seats, And not all of them are wearing Twins gear anymore. You are offering $12 home-run porch seat tickets and season-ticket holders can't even sell their unused tickets for $6 up to the day of the game. You don't sell out your dollar dog nite, even when you limit each fan to a dozen.

Plus, the Twins and Target Field (is the field more important than the team) will be getting national spotlight in 2014...and who are they going to have represent them on the field. Mauer and maybe Perkins, Perk just getting into the roster this year because Jesse Crain had to get injured.

Yes, I'm sure Pohlad walking thru the Legends Club and seeing all that food gong unsold, all those seats outside empty, and no traffic in the aisles is wondering where the millions will come to help pay down their part of the stadium bill early will come. Words are just words.

Yep, I'll sign any player for the Twins that will work for $3-4 million, has potential to come back the next season and play even better for the same money, and won't be asking me for a multi-year contract, unless it is for less pay each season.

jokin
09-13-2013, 09:58 PM
Forbes said on one of their recent valuations that the average revenue per fan for the Twins is $50. If attendance continues at 25000 per game that would lose 44 million in revenue. If ratings drops because the Twins are bad, there goes more revenue as the Pohlads own the radio station. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

Is this a new nurse posting, or you, "old nurse"?:o

jokin
09-13-2013, 10:00 PM
I may be wrong but I don't believe Abreu is a target of the Twins. I haven't seen his name linked with ours. I think Doogie Wolfson tweeted we thought he was overrated. Looks like the Giants are going all out. Once again, I am only guessing.

I trust the Giants opinion over Doogie and his "source".

old nurse
09-14-2013, 12:07 AM
Is this a new nurse posting, or you, "old nurse"?:o

Cest moi. I have always thought the Pohlads directed with their wallet.

Marta Shearing
09-14-2013, 03:10 AM
Meaningless rubbish and lies from another pohlad. To think I used to defend that family.....

Riverbrian
09-14-2013, 07:51 AM
Spend on pitching please!

The Twins get better when the pitching gets better.

Tanaka Is alright with me.

twinsnorth49
09-14-2013, 10:06 AM
But how can they spend? We all know Ryan can't give money away..................except apparently to the likes of Correia and Pelfrey.

dgwills
09-14-2013, 10:17 AM
Is it just me or did the Twins Management say this same exact thing last off season. It may have been Terry Ryan who said it though. I'm not sure who you can get on this kind of deal who will help the team even get to .500 next season.
I think the reason they say this is to explain why they don't get the better free agents. Like Anibal Sanchez last year. Well.... He wouldn't take a two year deal. What can we do?

ChiTownTwinsFan
09-14-2013, 10:32 AM
But how can they spend? We all know Ryan can't give money away..................except apparently to the likes of Correia and Pelfrey.

yes, I expect to hear this excuse along with 'being outbid' and a host of other things ... but ... I still hope for the best, and prepare for the worst

cmb0252
09-14-2013, 10:36 AM
Outside of Cano and the international guys I don't see a player worth going over 4 years for so there is that. There is a lot of junk, some more expensive than others, so Ryan has plenty to pick from. Nick Nelson pointed out why the Twins will spend this off season days before this came out and he made some pretty good points. Twins are going to spend. The question is how much?

howieramone
09-14-2013, 11:02 AM
I think the Pohlads are good owners, because they rarely get involved. Do we really want to add meddlesome owners to the equation? Ryan has been back all of 22 months, some of the pieces are in place, and now ownership has said they intend to use the checkbook this winter. I'm trying hard to find the downside in all this.

Kwak
09-14-2013, 11:04 AM
If the Twins sign a FA that costs their 2nd round draft choice, that player must be substantial. I find it difficult to accept that such a high quality FA can be signed for less than 5 years.

spycake
09-14-2013, 11:40 AM
Per mlbtr: Seems to go against folks who say "The Twins won't spend any more money, Pohlad is cheap etc."
He says he wants some 1-2-3-4 year contracts in free agency this year and isn't afraid to spend, and like it or not he is spot on with the "Avoiding 7-8 year contracts"

The Twins have never signed any free agent (from outside the organization) to more than a 3 year contract. And I think Willingham is the only one higher than 2 years (unless you count Nishioka). And off the top of my head, I think Correia was the first guaranteed two-year deal in awhile -- Doumit was one year and then resigned, so was Molitor, even Tewksbury was one year with an option.

So saying they are willing to sign a guy to a 3-year deal is kinda like Al Newman saying he was willing to hit home runs. At some point, you kinda have to do it (more than once) for people to believe you. And you have to cut out the excuses -- the "team sucks" excuse of the 1990s morphed into the "stadium sucks" excuse of the 2000s and we're back to the "team sucks" for the 2010s.

Oldgoat_MN
09-14-2013, 11:42 AM
I'm am surprised at the negativity. Who would want the Twins to be winners more than the Pohlads?

And if a player wants an 8 year, $22.5 million per year contract you can offer them a 3 year contract at $30 million/year. If a player was good enough to make that kind of demand they might actually be 'worth' those 3 years.

I am going to believe the line. One more year.

Go Twins!

Brandon
09-14-2013, 12:10 PM
If the Twins signed Tanaka and an offensive SS with decent defense I would consider the offseason a huge success. If they wait one more year to go after free agents so the next core can make their way to the Twins and get their feet wet I am ok with that too. but after that the Twins need to spend money.

spycake
09-14-2013, 12:29 PM
I'm am surprised at the negativity. Who would want the Twins to be winners more than the Pohlads?

I want my house to be nice too, but I'm still pretty cheap about the place.

mike wants wins
09-14-2013, 04:04 PM
Time to sell season tickets! Didn't Ryan promise to go all out on improving the pitching this year, and didn't it actuall get worse? I will believe it when I see it. Until then, call me a skeptic.

MichiganTwins
09-14-2013, 05:10 PM
Is it just me or did the Twins Management say this same exact thing last off season. It may have been Terry Ryan who said it though. I'm not sure who you can get on this kind of deal who will help the team even get to .500 next season.
I think the reason they say this is to explain why they don't get the better free agents. Like Anibal Sanchez last year. Well.... He wouldn't take a two year deal. What can we do?

No matter what we offered Sanchez he was not going to be a Minnesota Twins. Never was going to happen. Sorry, but you should give that one up. We can and should still complain about not spending, but we cant bring up Sanchez because it wasnt going to happen, and anyone who still thinks so is not seeing all of the facts.

MichiganTwins
09-14-2013, 05:11 PM
I also think this is going to happen because the Pohlads like their money and right now the Twins are not making them money. They will spend.

Rosterman
09-14-2013, 05:35 PM
No matter what we offered Sanchez he was not going to be a Minnesota Twins. Never was going to happen. Sorry, but you should give that one up. We can and should still complain about not spending, but we cant bring up Sanchez because it wasnt going to happen, and anyone who still thinks so is not seeing all of the facts.

Yes, the player still will need to want to play here.

ThePuck
09-14-2013, 06:47 PM
No matter what we offered Sanchez he was not going to be a Minnesota Twins. Never was going to happen. Sorry, but you should give that one up. We can and should still complain about not spending, but we cant bring up Sanchez because it wasnt going to happen, and anyone who still thinks so is not seeing all of the facts.

And you know this for absolute sure, how?

Marta Shearing
09-14-2013, 07:14 PM
Makes no sense to sign position players. Pitching is the word.

snepp
09-14-2013, 08:04 PM
It makes no sense not to make significant upgrades if the right opportunity arises, regardless of position.

old nurse
09-15-2013, 06:49 AM
If the Twins sign a FA that costs their 2nd round draft choice, that player must be substantial. I find it difficult to accept that such a high quality FA can be signed for less than 5 years.
Lohse, Soriano, Ortiz, Kuroda, LaRoche, Swisher and Bourn wish you were correct in thinking anyone offered a qualifying offer should get a 5 year contract. Only Hamilton and Upton of the group requiring compensation received 5 year contracts.

old nurse
09-15-2013, 06:52 AM
And you know this for absolute sure, how?

His negotiations with the Cubs ought to provide a little clue as to his goal og getting what he could out of Detroit to sign with them. What proof do you have that would lead you to say he wanted to pitch for the Twins?

TheLeviathan
09-15-2013, 07:20 AM
Personally, I hope the Pohlads do become more involved in the spending on players. It may be the only way we see Terry pushed off the cliff to actually do it.

Kwak
09-15-2013, 08:31 AM
Makes no sense to sign position players. Pitching is the word.

This past homestand has illustrated: poor fielding, little hitting, and even less scoring. Basically an upgrade is needed at every position.

beckmt
09-15-2013, 08:39 AM
This past homestand has illustrated: poor fielding, little hitting, and even less scoring. Basically an upgrade is needed at every position.
Do not think that is the case. Missing Mauer does not help and all and Joe will make the rest of the hitters around him better. Were Joe is going to play will determine where money will be spent. Twins do not need outfielders on a major upgrade, probably need a firstbaseman and possible third base. They also need an approach change for the bulk of Twins hitters are not homerun hitters, so making contact with the ball should be stressed, the two strike approach is very bad. Still hope the Twins spend almost all of their money on pitching.

OldTwinky
09-15-2013, 09:59 AM
If you take these guys at their word, good luck. Ownership and the Twins front office have done nothing but lie for as long as I can remember. There's always some constraint that makes this scenario or that scenario unfetchable. Yet teams in similar market and even smaller markets seem to make these same scenario's possible. Judge them on their actions and results. Many of you will point to all the division titles as varification that the Twins Way can be really successful. I don't see it that way. All those division championships led to total embarrassment at the hands of the AL east in the playoffs. All because TR didn't want to mortgage the future to bring in a rental player like Cliff Lee. REALLY you are talking about the future from 2009 so that would be right about NOW. Well it's a good thing we didn't trade prospects back then because then the team would be really bad right now........see where I'm going?

USAFChief
09-15-2013, 09:59 AM
Do not think that is the case. Missing Mauer does not help and all and Joe will make the rest of the hitters around him better. Were Joe is going to play will determine where money will be spent. Twins do not need outfielders on a major upgrade, probably need a firstbaseman and possible third base. They also need an approach change for the bulk of Twins hitters are not homerun hitters, so making contact with the ball should be stressed, the two strike approach is very bad. Still hope the Twins spend almost all of their money on pitching.
This is an organization so bereft of major league talent that Brian Dozier--Brian Dozier!--has been the 3-hole hitter a dozen times. Think about that. Missing Mauer makes a difference, but he's only one hitter, and on a good team he's not hitting third anyway.

Hopefully there is some talent on the way from the minors, but lets not kid ourselves. Starting pitching is need 1, but there are more needs than that. its risky at best to think the minor leagues are going to supply everything else needed and I think "risky" is too generous.

ThePuck
09-15-2013, 10:40 AM
What proof do you have that would lead you to say he wanted to pitch for the Twins?

I don't have any proof...but then, I didn't even say that he wanted to pitch for the Twins. Additionally, I haven't claimed that a whole group of people aren't seeing all the facts when making my claim without showing any facts, either. I want his facts that he knows for sure exist that so many others aren't seeing.

Alex
09-15-2013, 12:00 PM
If the Twins sign a FA that costs their 2nd round draft choice, that player must be substantial. I find it difficult to accept that such a high quality FA can be signed for less than 5 years.

If the player is getting a qualifying offer, he probably is substantial and, as mentioned, the fact that they are attached to a draft pick becomes part of the game and, at least last year, lowered the haul that most of them got.

I'd argue that people are overvaluing prospects. A 2nd Rd pick has something like of 49% chance of even making the majors. That's a 51% chance that they'll never see the big league field. I'm not sure what the chance they become a valuable player is but that's much lower.

The Twins have a well stocked farm system and a lot of extra cash. I think giving up a 2nd round pick for a reliable, proven major leaguer at this point is worth the chance. I'm not saying they throw the money away, but at this point, I'd have no problem with it.

If they get better, to the point where their first round pick is unprotected because they've moved down a few spots, this opportunity is lost (and frankly, I hope that's the case soon).

mike wants wins
09-15-2013, 12:38 PM
The Twins are bottom 5 in runs scored.....I think signing some hitters and fielders would certainly help this team.

howieramone
09-15-2013, 01:05 PM
The Twins are bottom 5 in runs scored.....I think signing some hitters and fielders would certainly help this team.I would wait for the position player cavalry to arrive in 2014 and spend most of our gold on 2 starting pitchers better than anything we currently have. That said, if the right SS falls our way, such as Castro of the lovable losers, it would be hard to turn down.

LaBombo
09-15-2013, 01:45 PM
This is an organization so bereft of major league talent that Brian Dozier--Brian Dozier!--has been the 3-hole hitter a dozen times. Think about that. Missing Mauer makes a difference, but he's only one hitter, and on a good team he's not hitting third anyway.

Yeah. Watched the Twins trot out Marty Cordova as the cleanup hitter in Tiger Stadium in 1997, when he batted .246/.305/.434. Ranks right up there with .240/.309/.417 in the three spot.

The 1997 Twins.

Sigh.

Not sure which was more depressing, seeing the Twins field a roster like that, or the walk to the stadium through a neighborhood that would have given the bad end of Beirut a run for its money.