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Twins Fan From Afar
09-10-2013, 09:45 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=2319-The-Late-Summer-of-My-Discontent

mike wants wins
09-10-2013, 11:01 AM
2013 is the first year I have not been to a game, and I live 15 minutes from TF.....I refuse to give the Pohlad's more money for the pile. Others disagree, but I have better ways to spend my time and money than to watch AAA and AAAA players at MLB prices.

howieramone
09-10-2013, 11:17 AM
Rebuilding is indeed a terrible thing. I'll go to my usual 15-20 games this year, because I've never found anything better than going to a MLB game. Gophers come close second.

Steve Lein
09-10-2013, 11:27 AM
The most important sentence in the entirety of this post to me, is the last one:

"I'm unwilling to pay to watch the Twins waste the rest of Joe Mauer's prime years."

They've utterly and completely wasted the career of arguably their best player ever because they are unwilling to spend the money required in today's game/market to put a competitive team on the field. Sure, they had a $110+ MIL payroll a few years ago, but that team imploded into a terrible product, at which point they should have began the turnaround they are just putting into motion now. So now they're 2+ years behind in the process than where they should be, and still that much farther away from putting the team Mauer deserves on the field as he ages.

Yes, it's great that TR can say so-and-so "is overpaid" or "we can't invest that many years." But the fact remains that this is what the market for those players is dictating, and you have to take a chance like that at some point in order to get a guy that is going to make a difference.

The hope is that they will have a great lineup at some point in the next 2 years with guys like Arcia, Sano, Rosario, and Buxton joining the fold, but if they're counting on that to turn everything around, they, and we as fans, are going to end up supremely disappointed.

Blackjack
09-10-2013, 11:31 AM
Last Friday I went to listen to the Twins on the radio and both stations where I can normally catch the Twins were broadcasting high school football games - and I didn't really care. Thank you Pohlads on two counts, broadcasting on a network thats unreliable and putting a product on the field that is very uninspiring.

ashburyjohn
09-10-2013, 11:41 AM
(but for my self-help blog, go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0))

lol

Rosterman
09-10-2013, 12:20 PM
Monday was the ultimate cheap ticket game to go to. They started it at 6 p.m. The stands were nearly empty (only 9 folks in section 312 where I started the game). Many folks had failed to put the revised rainout tickets on StubHub (only like 1400 tickets were still on sale at game time). It looked pretty dismal at gamestart time, and the concessionaires seemed to be pretty meek. Not sure how many wandering vendors they had, as there were absolutely no lines on dollar dog night. Food was being prepared as ordered. It was hard to find a stand on the upper level after the 7th inning, and most people from that area had moved elsewhere. The outfield bleachers were pretty much empty all game (starting off in the 90+ degree sun and humidity).

The earlier start-time contributed to the vacant seats. The reschuedled rainout did too. The crowd picked up a bit when 7 p.m. rolled around.

But, yes, they sell a guaranteed 22,000 per game no matter what. But this was the first example where NO ONE had to but tickets for any of the Twins controlled sections. They were available via StubHub or on-the-street for a song.

Where it hurts is the concessions. Where it hurts is parking (not that the Twins control) but $5 spaces were available a lot closer than they were when we last went to a Twins game, cutting down our walk time in half.

We all cheered Josmil Pinto, which is what September should be about for a losing team. You get behind certain players and run with them. The only other to get the fans going on a two strike count was Glen Perkins, otherwise a pretty quiet crowd throughout, with some wanting to leave when the Twins fell to 3-1 and Weaver had thrown 59 pitches in the same amount of time Hernandez had thrown 100.

I can't get excited about the All-Star game with a pricetag in the area of $400 for the event ticket package.

It is truly going to be something to see the Twins season ticket push for 2014, what happens with Twinfest, and maybe the selling point will be the new plaza out back, not the extended parking lot that I thought was going to be the Plaza inking the Twins to Washington Avenue, which is also bordered by lots of empty retail spaces, which kind of defeats the purpose of surrounding a stadium with real estate.

The radio stations are a good point, too. How many stations will pony up the Twins fee next season. What are television ratings for the team. How much advertising revenue are they losing.

Bark's Lounge
09-10-2013, 12:40 PM
Nice article TFFA. I feel your pain brother.

Twins Fan From Afar
09-10-2013, 12:43 PM
Thanks for the comments.
Another (kind of) related question: What if the team wasn't hosting next year's All-Star Game?
Would their offseason moves be different, would they feel more pressure to put a winner on the field in 2014?

zenser
09-10-2013, 01:00 PM
I feel your pain too. I bought a share of season tickets from a guy who spends I would guess in the range of 1 million on season tickets. He turns around and sells shares to his friends and associates. We were just asked if we wanted to sign on for next year. For me, it is tough to get motivated for next year. The All-Star game isn't that big of a sell for me. It would be fun to go to but it is kind of meaningless to me.

We live 4.5 hours away so when we go to a game we try to hit a weekend and get 2-3 games in. That is our family vacation and it is tough to convince the family to sit through something that is getting very hard to sit through.

howieramone
09-10-2013, 01:14 PM
The most important sentence in the entirety of this post to me, is the last one:

"I'm unwilling to pay to watch the Twins waste the rest of Joe Mauer's prime years."

They've utterly and completely wasted the career of arguably their best player ever because they are unwilling to spend the money required in today's game/market to put a competitive team on the field. Sure, they had a $110+ MIL payroll a few years ago, but that team imploded into a terrible product, at which point they should have began the turnaround they are just putting into motion now. So now they're 2+ years behind in the process than where they should be, and still that much farther away from putting the team Mauer deserves on the field as he ages.

Yes, it's great that TR can say so-and-so "is overpaid" or "we can't invest that many years." But the fact remains that this is what the market for those players is dictating, and you have to take a chance like that at some point in order to get a guy that is going to make a difference.

The hope is that they will have a great lineup at some point in the next 2 years with guys like Arcia, Sano, Rosario, and Buxton joining the fold, but if they're counting on that to turn everything around, they, and we as fans, are going to end up supremely disappointed.

Joe Sheehan of SI wrote an article saying we will be the next Pirates. The parade starts on 2015.

Brandon
09-10-2013, 01:21 PM
In 2015 i'll go to a game. But for now I skipped the Twins when they came to Texas to play the Rangers after they traded Morneau. It just didnt seem like now is the time to go to a Twins game. Better to wait till they decide its time to play better baseball.

IdahoPilgrim
09-10-2013, 01:21 PM
Joe Sheehan of SI wrote an article saying we will be the next Pirates. The parade starts on 2015.

You mean, it'll be 20 years before we have a winning season?

Sorry, couldn't resist.;)

scottsilvi
09-10-2013, 01:38 PM
Yeah I had season tickets for the last few years in the dome, and the first in Target field, despite living in Portland, OR. I did it to get opening day @ TF. Thousands of dollars for 1 game. Now I live nearly in sight of TF, and I have gone to 2 games this year. One with my wife, for our first Twins game @ TF, and the other Albers first start at TF. Probably only catch 1 or 2 if any of the kids come up next year.

howieramone
09-10-2013, 01:47 PM
You mean, it'll be 20 years before we have a winning season?

Sorry, couldn't resist.;)

Don't exaggerate I think it was only 18. I really never liked the senior circuit but I can't help following Morneau. Based on very flimsy information, it looks like Pittsburgh is a well run organization.

IdahoPilgrim
09-10-2013, 02:28 PM
Don't exaggerate I think it was only 18. I really never liked the senior circuit but I can't help following Morneau. Based on very flimsy information, it looks like Pittsburgh is a well run organization.

I've never been a National League fan either, although I've had to learn to follow it now that I live in a National League TV market. My "other" home team is Colorado - it's been fun watching Cuddyer, but other than that it's been a lackluster season for them too.

gil4
09-10-2013, 02:37 PM
I have always been a Twins fan from afar, except 1965, when my parents moved from MN to CT just before the Twins' first World Series and not long before my first birthday. I guess I didn't really become a fan until I was six or seven, when the good years were either safely in the rear view mirror or well beyond the horizon.

Growing up surrounded by Red Sox and Yankees fans during that time period made me pretty resilliant. The long stretch of success the Twins had through 2010 always seemed like an abberation, and it will take more than a few losing years to turn me away. (Maybe I'm part of he problem.) I didn't make it to a game the past two years, but that had more to do with the work and family schedule than with the W-L record. I really wanted to go to the recent series in Texas (now the closest team for me), but we had company coming in to town.

The only thing that frustrates me is I feel like I could make better personnel decisions just with the limited information I get. I don't like the losing, and I suppose it would be a lot harder to sit through 40-80 games a year if I has season tickets, but I'm still fairly optimistic about 2015, and even 2014.

IdahoPilgrim
09-10-2013, 02:40 PM
Growing up surrounded by Red Sox and Yankees fans during that time period made me pretty resilliant. The long stretch of success the Twins had through 2010 always seemed like an abberation, and it will take more than a few losing years to turn me away. (Maybe I'm part of he problem.) I didn't make it to a game the past two years, but that had more to do with the work and family schedule than with the W-L record. I really wanted to go to the recent series in Texas (now the closest team for me), but we had company coming in to town.

Don't let anybody ever make you feel that way. There's nothing wrong with loyalty, even when they're losing.

Twins Fan From Afar
09-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Don't let anybody ever make you feel that way. There's nothing wrong with loyalty, even when they're losing.

For sure. There's nothing wrong with loyalty. I'll be a Twins fan until I die. But right now, the way I'm "expressing" my fandom is by complaining (from time to time) about the frustrating state of affairs, and by turning my attention to the farm system.

IdahoPilgrim
09-10-2013, 03:01 PM
For sure. There's nothing wrong with loyalty. I'll be a Twins fan until I die. But right now, the way I'm "expressing" my fandom is by complaining (from time to time) about the frustrating state of affairs, and by turning my attention to the farm system.

And I'm not saying that is wrong either. But there have been some who have suggested in other threads that those who choose to continue to go to games and buy tickets are an indirect part of the problem. I strongly disagree.

Let's all be fans in the way our individual personalities lead us to be fans. For some that is continuing to go to games and buy tickets. For some that is turning our attention to the minors. For some that is boycotting as a form of financial pressure. I'm not going to argue that any of these are right or wrong. But let's not label any of them as "part of the problem."

mike wants wins
09-10-2013, 03:10 PM
Correct, there is no right or wrong way to be a fan. Give them your money, don't give them your money, it is your money.

BabyJesusBuxton
09-10-2013, 04:42 PM
I've been in the Twin cities for 3 years now. The first two years I attended about 20 games a year and then I finally decided to get season tickets for this season... Mostly because I want to attend the allstar game and have good seats. I know for certain if the Twins weren't hosting the allstar game I wouldn't have bought a full season this year and I for sure wouldn't do it next year mostly because you can get tickets cheaper through scalpers/stubhub/craigslist than you can by being a season ticket holder. Not to mention the hassle of trying to get rid of any tickets for games you can't make it to. Hopefully by the time I have to decide for 2015 the Twins have turned the corner and it's a tougher decision for me.

The product definitely needs to get better in all aspects. The Twins can't rely solely on the prospects coming up and expect to put a good product out there by 2015.

howieramone
09-10-2013, 04:58 PM
I've been in the Twin cities for 3 years now. The first two years I attended about 20 games a year and then I finally decided to get season tickets for this season... Mostly because I want to attend the allstar game and have good seats. I know for certain if the Twins weren't hosting the allstar game I wouldn't have bought a full season this year and I for sure wouldn't do it next year mostly because you can get tickets cheaper through scalpers/stubhub/craigslist than you can by being a season ticket holder. Not to mention the hassle of trying to get rid of any tickets for games you can't make it to. Hopefully by the time I have to decide for 2015 the Twins have turned the corner and it's a tougher decision for me.

The product definitely needs to get better in all aspects. The Twins can't rely solely on the prospects coming up and expect to put a good product out there by 2015.

Expect more Butera and Morneau type trades. They will be active in the FA market but will not thrill the board with a 6 year, 147M signing.

DreInWA
09-10-2013, 06:20 PM
I don't think you are necessarily part of the problem if you are attending games right now, but we all are part of the problem is we continue to believe the narrative that the Twins try to put out there: "That the Morneau trade was to gain young talent, rather than dump salary, that any team can win their division, much less make a deep playoff run with only the assistance of young prospects."

I was always afraid when we gave Mauer that contract, that the Twins were going to turn into Baltimore with Cal Ripken Jr. and 8 other guys, and sadly in many ways this is occurring. To be clear, it isn't Mauer's fault, it is the fault of the Twins management for not being willing to spend (and in many cases) overpay for established talent. If we completely ignore pitching for a moment (which is ridiculous because the Twins staff is a mess), think about the hitters for the Twins in 2010.



C
Joe Mauer (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=mauerjo01)


1B
Michael Cuddyer (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=cuddymi01)


2B
Orlando Hudson (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=hudsoor01)


3B
Danny Valencia (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=valenda01)


SS
J.J. Hard (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=hardyjj01)y


LF
Delmon Young (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=youngde04)


CF
Denard Span (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=spande01)


RF

DH
Jason Kubel

Jim Thome (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=kubelja01)



Now think about the current lineup. This, to me, displays the stark reality we are now facing. Was the lineup in 2010 going to set the world on fire and strike fear into the hearts of the AL East, certainly not, but everyone on this list save for Danny Valencia (who had a breakout debut in 2010), was at least an established big league player, and we could draw reasonable predictions about how they would produce.

I understand this is what rebuilding looks like, and you don't necessarily need to spend Dodger-money to win games, but at the end of another 90 loss season, it is simply baffling to me that:

1. The Twins continue to hold the party line that the cavalry is on the way, we just need to keep doing things the same way, and everything is going to be fine. Oh did we mention the 2014 All Star Game?

2. Fans continue to believe it.

We are all guilty of it. I for one would be thrilled if the Twins could at least return to being competitive, but this is still part of the problem. The Central is much more competitive than it was when the Twins were dominating it 5 years ago, and the Twins will have to change their strategies with the times. Unfortunately, as the author of this post points out, the level of arrogance still coming out of the organization at this point is frankly, unbelievable.

The Twins do have talent in their system, and the situation may not be as dire as we make it out to be. Guys like Arcia, Sano, Buxton, Pinto, Hicks and company look like they could do very well at the big league level. However, we can't just throw these guys in the deep end on their own and see if they sink or swim. If we spend the money to put established talent around these guys, we could be a scary team in the coming years.

Unfortunately, we aren't really hearing that from the organization, nor are we seeing it with their moves (and lack of moves) to this point. I am afraid we will just be a team with a couple of really great players, that is mildly competitive.

Which, when you think about it, is an apt description of the Twins during the Gardenhire era (not that I am blaming Gardenhire). The teams that are committed to winning don't always win, but they certainly win more often, and the Twins seem like they are only committed to winning enough games to sell tickets at this point.

I hope they do something in the offseason to disprove this notion.

TheLeviathan
09-10-2013, 06:31 PM
Joe Sheehan of SI wrote an article saying we will be the next Pirates. The parade starts on 2015.

Joe Sheehan also predicted a playoff berth for the Padres this year. Hopefully they can reschedule their parade.

Whichonly speaks to the uncertainty of the future.

ThePuck
09-10-2013, 06:43 PM
Joe Sheehan also predicted a playoff berth for the Padres this year. Hopefully they can reschedule their parade.

Whichonly speaks to the uncertainty of the future.

yeah, he also didn't actually predict playoff for the Twins in 2015, he thinks May and Meyer will both likely be in the rotation next year, he thinks the Astros will make the playoffs in 2016, and he has the Royals as unknown as to when they'll make the playoffs. Doesn't even guess. It reads as if he believes the Astros have a shot of making the playoffs sooner than the Royals. How anyone can look at the Astros and Royals and say that? The Royals are in the playoff race right now.

howieramone
09-10-2013, 08:13 PM
Joe Sheehan also predicted a playoff berth for the Padres this year. Hopefully they can reschedule their parade.

Whichonly speaks to the uncertainty of the future.

I agree, it's only one man's opinion. Off the top of my head, I believe it's the 4th like article I've read. I'm glad you had a chance to read it. I'm sure you enjoy reading positive articles about our favorite team as much as I do.

TheLeviathan
09-10-2013, 08:23 PM
I agree, it's only one man's opinion. Off the top of my head, I believe it's the 4th like article I've read. I'm glad you had a chance to read it. I'm sure you enjoy reading positive articles about our favorite team as much as I do.

I do. I also enjoy critical ones. My fan hood doesn't rest upon maintaining a perky cheerleaders mentality or bitter negativity. Sometimes praise is warranted and sometimes harsh criticism is too. A season like this certainly deserves plenty.

jdotmcmahon
09-10-2013, 09:08 PM
Really enjoyed this article my dude...well said.

Twins Fan From Afar
09-10-2013, 09:21 PM
Really enjoyed this article my dude...well said.

Thank you!

Old Twins Cap
09-10-2013, 11:02 PM
Truth is, attendance is where the rubber meets the road. Twins FO can say anything they want in 2011 and 2012, because they are still averaging over 30K fans a game. It's when people start getting layed off, and the numbers go down and down some more -- that's when the FO starts to panic and think hard about their direction. Up till now, it's been lip-service.

I hope season tickets dry up and Target Field is a ghost-town for the simple reason that the Twins FO has absolutely no reason to change their abysmal product until they have no choice, nothing left to lose. They call that hitting bottom in 12-step groups. Problem is: The Twins are still denying they have a problem. When the fans don't show up, that's when you can't deny it any longer.

glunn
09-11-2013, 01:29 AM
Moderator note -- there is a lot of negativity on this thread, and such negativity relates logically to the original post. Also, everyone has been respectful so far.

What would be bad would be for someone to come in now and ridicule any of these heartfelt expressions of frustration. That would constitute inflammatory trolling. This post is a warning to those who might be tempted to engage in such a violation of TD policy.

This thread is interesting and meaningful. Let's keep it on a good path.

clutterheart
09-11-2013, 04:07 AM
I too live "afar" and get back to MN about once a year.

I live in an area where there is no Pro-Baseball so I make damn sure to see at least 2 or 3 twins game because I love baseball. Even if the team stinks Target Field is a beautiful place to sit, drink good beer, eat hot dogs and watch the best sport on the planet.

That being said, I understand the posters point quite well. The lack of accountability, the lack of respect for the fanbase and the lies the Twins told us when they begged for Tax Payer Dollars make the organization look bad.

I would love if some state rep looking for publicity would call for hearings on the Twins, their lack of investment in the MLB team and subpoena their books and shed some sunlight on how much the Pohlads have pillaged the tax payers of Hen County. Since they took public money to play, they need to accept public scrutiny on their finances

gil4
09-11-2013, 09:36 AM
That being said, I understand the posters point quite well. The lack of accountability, the lack of respect for the fanbase and the lies the Twins told us when they begged for Tax Payer Dollars make the organization look bad.

I don't think it's a lack of respect for the fan base. I think the front office is still stuck in the old ways of doing business and has become the caracature of the old way portrayed in Moneyball. (I'm not sure how that explains Clete Thomas - the numbers don't like him and any scout that says he looks like a ballplayer needs a new line of work. Maybe he has a hot girlfriend.)

The lack of accountability is a problem at all levels. This team has been playing like a poorly-coached AAA team for most of the year, and while help is on the way, the pitching help looks like it will fall short of the needs.



I would love if some state rep looking for publicity would call for hearings on the Twins, their lack of investment in the MLB team and subpoena their books and shed some sunlight on how much the Pohlads have pillaged the tax payers of Hen County. Since they took public money to play, they need to accept public scrutiny on their finances

If that public scrutiny isn't in the deal already (and I'm sure it's not) you're not going to get it added now. There are plenty of other ongoing expenses for the state reps to look at without wasting time "investigating" the Twins. That would just be a photo op that would accomplish nothing.

Monkeypaws
09-11-2013, 09:55 AM
Good write-up TFFA.

I'd like to see the Twins get aggressive at promoting their own talent - Bring up Mays and Meyer next season, and Sano at some point as well. If your going to trot out a low budget line-up, at least do it with prospects that one can get excited about when they have a good game.

Pinto, Arcia, Dozier, those guys have been fun to watch because they are on the upswing of their careers.

I remain optimistic that they will return to relevancy someday.

jokin
09-11-2013, 06:35 PM
I agree, it's only one man's opinion. Off the top of my head, I believe it's the 4th like article I've read. I'm glad you had a chance to read it. I'm sure you enjoy reading positive articles about our favorite team as much as I do.

Could you link the other 3 articles?

jokin
09-11-2013, 06:39 PM
I don't think you are necessarily part of the problem if you are attending games right now, but we all are part of the problem is we continue to believe the narrative that the Twins try to put out there: "That the Morneau trade was to gain young talent, rather than dump salary, that any team can win their division, much less make a deep playoff run with only the assistance of young prospects."

I was always afraid when we gave Mauer that contract, that the Twins were going to turn into Baltimore with Cal Ripken Jr. and 8 other guys, and sadly in many ways this is occurring. To be clear, it isn't Mauer's fault, it is the fault of the Twins management for not being willing to spend (and in many cases) overpay for established talent. If we completely ignore pitching for a moment (which is ridiculous because the Twins staff is a mess), think about the hitters for the Twins in 2010.



C
Joe Mauer (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=mauerjo01)


1B
Michael Cuddyer (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=cuddymi01)


2B
Orlando Hudson (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=hudsoor01)


3B
Danny Valencia (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=valenda01)


SS
J.J. Hard (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=hardyjj01)y


LF
Delmon Young (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=youngde04)


CF
Denard Span (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=spande01)


RF

DH
Jason Kubel

Jim Thome (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=kubelja01)



Now think about the current lineup. This, to me, displays the stark reality we are now facing. Was the lineup in 2010 going to set the world on fire and strike fear into the hearts of the AL East, certainly not, but everyone on this list save for Danny Valencia (who had a breakout debut in 2010), was at least an established big league player, and we could draw reasonable predictions about how they would produce.

I understand this is what rebuilding looks like, and you don't necessarily need to spend Dodger-money to win games, but at the end of another 90 loss season, it is simply baffling to me that:

1. The Twins continue to hold the party line that the cavalry is on the way, we just need to keep doing things the same way, and everything is going to be fine. Oh did we mention the 2014 All Star Game?

2. Fans continue to believe it.

We are all guilty of it. I for one would be thrilled if the Twins could at least return to being competitive, but this is still part of the problem. The Central is much more competitive than it was when the Twins were dominating it 5 years ago, and the Twins will have to change their strategies with the times. Unfortunately, as the author of this post points out, the level of arrogance still coming out of the organization at this point is frankly, unbelievable.

The Twins do have talent in their system, and the situation may not be as dire as we make it out to be. Guys like Arcia, Sano, Buxton, Pinto, Hicks and company look like they could do very well at the big league level. However, we can't just throw these guys in the deep end on their own and see if they sink or swim. If we spend the money to put established talent around these guys, we could be a scary team in the coming years.

Unfortunately, we aren't really hearing that from the organization, nor are we seeing it with their moves (and lack of moves) to this point. I am afraid we will just be a team with a couple of really great players, that is mildly competitive.

Which, when you think about it, is an apt description of the Twins during the Gardenhire era (not that I am blaming Gardenhire). The teams that are committed to winning don't always win, but they certainly win more often, and the Twins seem like they are only committed to winning enough games to sell tickets at this point.

I hope they do something in the offseason to disprove this notion.

Outstanding first post.

Although, Joe Mauer and his agent had to know that signing that deal would result in bringing on financial consequences down the road for a club just a few years removed from trying to contract itself out of business, just as it did with the Orioles when all they had was Ripken and then the sheen of the new ball park begin to darken. Only in this case, the Twins management panicked more immediately, even before the 2011 debacle. JJ Hardy, with a pending big $$$ number contract for a SS that would have been unheard-of in Twinsland, was cast aside for nothing, from ironically, the Orioles, who had already learned their lesson. And everyone else from that 2010 roster is also gone, save Perkins, with very little to show in return, except, dollars saved, which were used instead to pay off short-term debt and acquire some supplemental picks that at this point, may, or may not, come to fruition. And Alex Meyer (keeping out fingers crossed on his shoulder).

Twins Fan From Afar
09-11-2013, 06:49 PM
Outstanding first post.

I'll say. DreInWA should start writing his own pieces.
Or at least cut-and-paste this one as his first :D

DreInWA
09-18-2013, 08:52 AM
Thanks,

This started out as a short reply to your excellent post, but got out of hand. I am a writer for puckettspond.com (http://puckettspond.com), and I appreciate the feedback. Lately, it has been hard lately to find a lot of positive things (other than Pinto (http://puckettspond.com/2013/09/10/people-of-minnesota-get-to-know-josmil-pinto/)) to write about when it comes to the Twins. There is criticism that is valid, and some that begins to just pile on.

Basically, I have been watching "Silver Linings Playbook" at least once a day to cope. I am still waiting for the Twins' equivalent of Jennifer Lawrence to swoop in. Regular Jennifer Lawrence would also be OK.

Thanks again,

Dre

http:// (http://t.co/uRNm0wIAE2)

ThePuck
09-18-2013, 09:03 AM
Outstanding first post.

Although, Joe Mauer and his agent had to know that signing that deal would result in bringing on financial consequences down the road for a club just a few years removed from trying to contract itself out of business, just as it did with the Orioles when all they had was Ripken and then the sheen of the new ball park begin to darken. Only in this case, the Twins management panicked more immediately, even before the 2011 debacle. JJ Hardy, with a pending big $$$ number contract for a SS that would have been unheard-of in Twinsland, was cast aside for nothing, from ironically, the Orioles, who had already learned their lesson. And everyone else from that 2010 roster is also gone, save Perkins, with very little to show in return, except, dollars saved, which were used instead to pay off short-term debt and acquire some supplemental picks that at this point, may, or may not, come to fruition. And Alex Meyer (keeping out fingers crossed on his shoulder).

I believe Mauer figured with the new stadium that the payroll would run around 100M. That should leave plenty of money to build a team around him. On top of that, without signing him, I believe revenue would have taken a good size hit anyway. Point is, his salary isn't stopping them from doing anything. Certainly isn't making them continue to drop payroll.