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jay
08-28-2013, 10:35 AM
From today's article on top prospects he'd call up in September (insider required for full article):
Miguel Sano | 3B | Minnesota Twins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/min/minnesota-twins)
Sano, 20, is one of the best right-handed power hitting prospects in all of baseball. Hes belted 33 home runs between across high-A and Double-A, and he showed at the lower level that he can hit for average, putting up a slash line of .330/.424/.655. Strikeouts have been a problem for him at Double-A, but he's still slugging .574, and his defense at third (particularly his throwing) has really improved, and hes certainly capable of making the jump to the major leagues next year.

Prospect I would call up in September - ESPN (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=7589)

jay
08-28-2013, 10:40 AM
I've advocated moving him to AAA for the playoff race there. Now that we know Sano isn't going to the AFL, I can see an argument for this as well. However, we've basically heard from the Twins and TR that it isn't likely.

Timeline:
1 month ML service time in Sept
Start 2014 in AAA
Late-July call up to ML
Buxton just behind him somewhere between late-July to Sept

jokin
08-28-2013, 12:29 PM
I've advocated moving him to AAA for the playoff race there. Now that we know Sano isn't going to the AFL, I can see an argument for this as well. However, we've basically heard from the Twins and TR that it isn't likely.

Timeline:
1 month ML service time in Sept
Start 2014 in AAA
Late-July call up to ML
Buxton just behind him somewhere between late-July to Sept

Sano wasn't eligible for the AFL. Given the Twins' aggressive, all-in, AFL roster, though, I'm optimistic that they will give Sano a September call-up and then call him up from Rochester in June right after passing the Arb 2 threshold, ala Wil Myers.

gunnarthor
08-28-2013, 12:43 PM
I could see them pushing him to AAA but I don't think they'll burn an option year for one month and start his clock.

Winston Smith
08-28-2013, 02:26 PM
But but what do we do with Plouffie?

nicksaviking
08-28-2013, 02:42 PM
I was on the fence. Now I'm off. Bowden is a crazy old blowhard who likes to hear himself ramble. Logic tells me it is best to do the opposite of what he advocates. Demote him back to Ft. Myers.

cmathewson
08-28-2013, 02:51 PM
Makes sense considering that he is not going to the AFL. Trade Willy. Move Arcia to left and Plouffe to right.

diehardtwinsfan
08-28-2013, 04:58 PM
A few years ago I could make a sarcastic statement along the lines of that's how you get fired by the nationals... but they went got good, which kind of ruins it.

Jdosen
08-28-2013, 11:57 PM
Sano will not be promoted as a Sept call up if Terry Ryan values all his 40-man roster spots, and I think he does. Sano won't be added until he has to be.

jay
08-29-2013, 08:18 AM
Sano will not be promoted as a Sept call up if Terry Ryan values all his 40-man roster spots, and I think he does. Sano won't be added until he has to be.

Any one of DeVries, Hermsen, Bernier, Ramirez, and Clete could be removed from the 40-man if they wanted to give Sano some MLB time. The only concern could be Rule 5 time, but they should have enough spots to protect guys between removing those 5, Morneau's free agency, and the possibility of trades both now and then.

I'm not saying they absolutely should call him up, but I do believe they should do whatever they think would be best for the development of Miguel Sano and not worry about the roster spot.

jimbo92107
08-29-2013, 08:29 AM
I've advocated moving him to AAA for the playoff race there. Now that we know Sano isn't going to the AFL, I can see an argument for this as well. However, we've basically heard from the Twins and TR that it isn't likely.

Timeline:
1 month ML service time in Sept
Start 2014 in AAA
Late-July call up to ML
Buxton just behind him somewhere between late-July to Sept

Totally agree. If Sano doesn't come up for a cuppa in September, then send him to Rochester, help stack that team for its playoff run. I'd rather see that, anyway. Let the kid have some fun in a minor league playoff!

SpitefulRabbit617
08-29-2013, 09:37 AM
Rule of thumb Number #1 for the Twins - NEVER LISTEN TO ESPN'S ADVICE. (Yes this is also rule #1 for the Royals too)

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-29-2013, 10:07 AM
I said it before and will say it again.
Nothing good can happen it you promote Sano this sept

beckmt
08-29-2013, 10:18 AM
Sano will play winter ball, come to spring training with the Twins (probably as invite) and be sent to Rochester. Call up in mid 2014 (assuming he crushes in Rochester).

Badsmerf
08-29-2013, 10:23 AM
So much negativity. Every one of you who are saying he shouldn't be promoted, probably also agree he should be the starting 3b after the arb. deadline passes. Soooo, the difference is a month of AAA? I say call him up and let him get a taste. He can still start in AAA next year while the Twins let Plouffe try to show his worth one last time (is he injured again? WTF is wrong with him right now?).

Depending on how much Terry Ryan commits to winning this offseason, leaving Sano in AAA more than a month could be a big mistake. Unless everyone here is willing to punt 2014 and look to another 90 loss season, Sano (and Rosario, maybe Meyer) will be apart of the Twins sooner than later. I'm not sure what they would have to do to give him a September call-up and still get that extra year of control. I don't feel like digging through the numbers right now.

zenser
08-29-2013, 10:36 AM
If they add him to the 40 would they lose a year of team control or does it just start the arbitation clock? If they would lose a year of team control, I say promote him to AAA. I would rather have a full year of Sano at age 27 than a month of Sano at 20. If it just starts that arbitration clock, then call him up. If he is a super 2 or not, does it really matter? Hopefully they are smart and buy out his arbitration years before that even comes into play like Tampa did with Longoria.

Rosterman
08-29-2013, 10:41 AM
Sano will be playing winter ball somewhere.

He doesn't need to be added to the 40-man and doubt that the Twins will do it this off-season, but they will invite him to major league camp.

If added to the 40-man, it will be during the season. They'll still want him to work on stuff at AA/AAA next year.

Sadly, the Twins will make many 40-man wrong decisions this fall. Just to keep options open and the clock ticking. And instead of a glorious 2015, we will start to think maybe 2016.

ashburyjohn
08-29-2013, 10:57 AM
Sadly, the Twins will make many 40-man wrong decisions this fall.

Personally I'm saving my FO-analysis on this topic for after they make their choices, not before. :)

diehardtwinsfan
08-29-2013, 10:58 AM
I fail to see how adding him to the 40 this year is the right decision... I really do. He's improved in AA, but he still has some issues to work on. I'd much rather him work some of those out in the minors than in the majors. That's just good business practice. He'll likely be up soon enough next year. Either he will force it or Plouffe will. I'm quite fine with letting that situation work itself out in 2014.

ashburyjohn
08-29-2013, 11:09 AM
Makes sense considering that he is not going to the AFL.

While he's not eligible for the AFL, it's because the Dominican winter league is an option for him, if he and/or the Twins want him to get more work in. I think it's a high level of competition. The lack of AFL for him ought not to drive any decisions.


Trade Willy.

5369

(... to a good home.)

orangevening
08-29-2013, 11:34 AM
But but what do we do with Plouffie?

Trade him if you can. Babe Plouffe has turned into baby plouffe (cap intentional)

orangevening
08-29-2013, 11:35 AM
I fail to see how adding him to the 40 this year is the right decision... I really do. He's improved in AA, but he still has some issues to work on. I'd much rather him work some of those out in the minors than in the majors. That's just good business practice. He'll likely be up soon enough next year. Either he will force it or Plouffe will. I'm quite fine with letting that situation work itself out in 2014.

I would like to see what we have with Romero before bringing Sano up.

drjim
08-29-2013, 11:37 AM
Personally I'm saving my FO-analysis on this topic for after they make their choices, not before. :)

Can we at least start complaining about free agent signings?

terencemann
08-29-2013, 11:56 AM
I think the moral of the story is Jim Bowden says a lot of things and, if he were any good at building a baseball team, he'd be working in a front office and not writing for a website (no offense, Twins Daily writers. You guys are great).

mike wants wins
08-29-2013, 01:43 PM
Sano to Rochestor, Romero to MN, Plouffe to the bench or DH or RF or St. Paul....

jay
08-29-2013, 02:49 PM
If they add him to the 40 would they lose a year of team control or does it just start the arbitation clock? If they would lose a year of team control, I say promote him to AAA. I would rather have a full year of Sano at age 27 than a month of Sano at 20. If it just starts that arbitration clock, then call him up. If he is a super 2 or not, does it really matter?

A month in September won't affect team control or any of that.

If he sticks in MLB next spring, it's irrelevant. Players called up prior to roughly June can be subject to Super 2 if they have no other MLB service time. So, if he starts in AAA, the Twins would have to tack on a month to that in order to avoid Super 2 status.


send him to Rochester, help stack that team for its playoff run. I'd rather see that, anyway. Let the kid have some fun in a minor league playoff!

I much prefer this to the call up, as fun as it would be.


I would like to see what we have with Romero before bringing Sano up.

I would not. The length of time to truly evaluate Romero as a 3B at the MLB level is long beyond the time frame I expect to see Sano with the letters M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A across his chest and we're still in the midst of that process with Plouffe.

ashburyjohn
08-29-2013, 04:17 PM
The length of time to truly evaluate Romero as a 3B at the MLB level is long

Does he profile as any better than below-average on offense and below-average on defense as a third-baseman? I don't understand the love. Give him his cuppa, plus a fair shake in spring training, maybe lightning strikes - but that's all, I wouldn't go giving him much benefit of the doubt after that.

stringer bell
08-29-2013, 04:40 PM
Does he profile as any better than below-average on offense and below-average on defense as a third-baseman? I don't understand the love. Give him his cuppa, plus a fair shake in spring training, maybe lightning strikes - but that's all, I wouldn't go giving him much benefit of the doubt after that.From what I've seen and read, Romero is Danny Valencia without the attitude and the juicing friends. That is probably just as good, but no better, than Plouffe, with no real hope of being anything more than (the dreaded) replacement level.

stringer bell
08-29-2013, 04:43 PM
Sano to Rochestor, Romero to MN, Plouffe to the bench or DH or RF or St. Paul....My patience with Plouffe is about gone. He is a totally different player, but he reminds me of Casilla. He'll frustrate you to the nth degree and then do something good for a couple of days. In Alexi's case, he would hit a little bit and steal bases and play great defense. In Plouffe's case, it is power.

Mr. Brooks
08-29-2013, 10:25 PM
I think the moral of the story is Jim Bowden says a lot of things and, if he were any good at building a baseball team, he'd be working in a front office and not writing for a website (no offense, Twins Daily writers. You guys are great).

You mean the same Jim Bowden that was named MLB Executive of the Year in 1999 after drafting and trading for an exceptional young nucleus in Cincinnati that won 96 games with one of the leagues lowest payrolls?

Or do you mean the Jim Bowden that took over the Expos as they became the Nationals and built the foundation for a respectable team from the ruins of what was the laughable Expos roster when he took over?

Jim Bowden knows plenty about building a good baseball team. He's in a broadcast booth right now because he was the fall guy for scouts in Latin America that were skimming bonuses.

jay
08-29-2013, 10:36 PM
Does he profile as any better than below-average on offense and below-average on defense as a third-baseman? I don't understand the love. Give him his cuppa, plus a fair shake in spring training, maybe lightning strikes - but that's all, I wouldn't go giving him much benefit of the doubt after that.

You have a point, but given the exact profile that you outlined the best outcome is basically Danny Valencia part deux. Nice in a small sample which drags the Twins (and fans) into falsely thinking we have a piece of the solution.

mudcat14
09-02-2013, 12:38 PM
Since I'm not a Front Office guy, I'm gonna disregard the 40-man and Arbitration/FA ramifications and say bring Sano up for a taste in September. I see one or more of four possible outcomes in doing so, and only one of them is negative.

1) A dream scenario, where he steps right in and proves he belongs.

2) He struggles, but is able to experience the big league lifestyle and see first hand the challenges that lie ahead. Realizing exactly who and what is in front of him, he could redouble his efforts to seize the opportunity that may be available to him as early as next spring.

3) He gets humbled by MLB pitching. With his purported cockiness, it could give him a cold splash in the face and again lead him to intensify his efforts to get back for good.

4) He stinks up the joint, loses all faith and becomes a crackhead. Melodramatic? Okay. Seriously though, prospects have been stunted by rushing them, no doubt. But with what I've seen (El Poletero) and read about him, I find this highly doubtful.

Finally, another factor to consider is the state of the fanbase. With the Morneau trade and injuries to Mauer and Arcia, the club is obviously just playing out the string. With an active roster that consists of maybe one player (Dozier) who could crack the starting line-up of one of the play-off contenders, we need a shot in the arm. Getting a glimpse of someone who will without a doubt, be a part of our next nucleus at some point could be about the only move that they have left. We fans need something besides Youtube highlights and scouting reports to keep us invested.